[Craig Disher]

Does anyone have or can point to photographs of sometimes dry creek beds that are integral parts of golf courses?

[David_Tepper]

There must a photo tour of Pasatiempo here that shows the arroyos that come into play on several of the holes on the back nine there.

[John Cowden]

Not sure if there's a distinction between "arroyo" and "barranca", David.  "Barranca" is the term more commonly used at Pasatiempo.  Then again, I've also heard it said, "'Barranca' is golf slang for 'sh*t'".

[Josh Tarble]

Probably the best "arroyo" photo I've seen 

[Bill_McBride]

I'm traveling so can't access it, but I think George Thomas' book has great photos of Riviera's dry arroyos before they were filled with the kikuyu weed. 

[Scott Weersing]

Rustic Canyon has dry creek beds on several holes, including 1, 5, 6, 7, 11, 14, and 18.


Arroyo Trabuco in Mission Viejo has several arroyos also.


There are lots of courses where the land was not really good for golf but they built a course anyways, such as Lost Canyons in Simi Valley.

[Erik Mosley]

I know TPC Vegas has several holes with arroyos.  I don't have any personal photos, but a google image search on this course brings up a couple.

[Kalen Braley]

As best as I can tell from doing a little Googling...
 
Barrancas refer to more steep and narrow slots that channel away seasonal water...aka what you find at Pasatiempo.
 
Arroyos are more akin to the flat shallow creek beds that easily flood over their banks during seasonal rains, more in line with a Rustic Canyon.

[MClutterbuck]

An "arroyo" is a stream and a "barranca" is a steep side hill or incline. Then you have bad translations and marketing guys using these names because they sound nice in certain locations.


The 13th at ANGC has an "arroyo" and the 6th has a pretty nice "barranca". 

[Greg Gilson]

Arroyos or barrancas?

Wilshire is tops at both...

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,55825.msg1297061/topicseen.html#msg1297061

[Benjamin Litman]

Sleepy Hollow's remodeled par-5 12th hole has one, which was dry last week, meandering up the left, and then middle, of the hole:

[Randy Thompson]

[Dave McCollum]

Arroyo Seco in Pasadena, CA has at least three golf courses in it—2 at Brookside and Arroyo Seco GC to the south.  Also JPL and the Rose Bowl.

[Stewart Abramson]

Vista Verde #9 from front tee r



Rustic Canyon #6 par 3 r



Rustic Canyon #1 green

[Ben Baldwin]

An "arroyo" is a stream and a "barranca" is a steep side hill or incline. Then you have bad translations and marketing guys using these names because they sound nice in certain locations.


The 13th at ANGC has an "arroyo" and the 6th has a pretty nice "barranca".

Definition per Wiki: An arroyo (/əˈrɔɪoʊ/; Spanish: [aˈroʝo], "brook"), also called a wash, is a dry creek, stream bed or gulch that temporarily or seasonally fills and flows after sufficient rain

One of the best "true" Arroyo's incorporated into golf holes in a desert climate is the back nine at Sonoma Ranch in Las Cruces NM.


From the 10th green complex when the 10th hole drops down into the arroyo until you finish the 15th hole, you play holes that run back and forth through an arroyo that then takes strategic elements of the hole design and uses the smaller "created" arroyo's around the playing corridor as elements in the hole design/strategy.  There aren't good pictures online that really show this, and some of the elements of these holes have changed with houses being built around the holes, but this corridor of the course allows for "hallway" free golf due to being in the arroyo/flood plain.  Here is an aerial of the holes.

[Brett Wiesley]

Whether it's Barranca or Arroyo the goat project at Pasatiempo to clear out the brush and growth in these areas is cool.  Here is a link to their website with photos of the goat work.

https://pasatiempomaintenance.wordpress.com/category/goats/

[MClutterbuck]

An "arroyo" is a stream and a "barranca" is a steep side hill or incline. Then you have bad translations and marketing guys using these names because they sound nice in certain locations.


The 13th at ANGC has an "arroyo" and the 6th has a pretty nice "barranca".

Definition per Wiki: An arroyo (/əˈrɔɪoʊ/; Spanish: [aˈroʝo], "brook"), also called a wash, is a dry creek, stream bed or gulch that temporarily or seasonally fills and flows after sufficient rain

Wiki is replicating a wrong definition. It is a stream from any spanish language dictionary. In fact, it has to flow nearly continously for it to be an arroyo. But I know the term has been butchered in the US.
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[Jon Cavalier]

Here's a coyote in an arroyo at TPC Vegas:

[Wade Whitehead]

They're all over Pinion Hills.

WW

[Tommy Naccarato]

Craig,
Give me a shout if you could.  I've got some I can share with you from LACC.


tommynacc@sbcglobal.net

[Joel_Stewart]

As best as I can tell from doing a little Googling...
 
Barrancas refer to more steep and narrow slots that channel away seasonal water...aka what you find at Pasatiempo.
 
Arroyos are more akin to the flat shallow creek beds that easily flood over their banks during seasonal rains, more in line with a Rustic Canyon.

Any guess on what you call the depressions at Shoreacres?

[Kalen Braley]

As best as I can tell from doing a little Googling...
 
Barrancas refer to more steep and narrow slots that channel away seasonal water...aka what you find at Pasatiempo.
 
Arroyos are more akin to the flat shallow creek beds that easily flood over their banks during seasonal rains, more in line with a Rustic Canyon.

Any guess on what you call the depressions at Shoreacres?

I'd call that a meandering creek that's carved out a low spot on the course.   
 
Nice feature by the way...

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