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Jason Thurman

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Border-Jumping Courses
« on: July 12, 2015, 06:43:35 AM »
The low-water mark that is the Trump thread got me thinking - what are some courses with routings that cross county, state, provincial, or national borders? I think I recall one straddling the Canadian border during US prohibition. Any others?
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Greg Holland

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2015, 07:09:56 AM »
Farmstead Links in North Myrtle Beach by Willard Byrd is in both SC and NC.  It also ends with a par 6 hole that is over 750 yards from the tips. 
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2015, 08:28:12 AM »

AAaA late uncle of mine lived in Fort Fairfield Me. and I recall him telling me about the Aroostook Valley CC. I think the course is on one side (Canadian?) of the border and the clubhouse on the other (US?). That might be the one. 


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Chris_Blakely

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2015, 09:28:05 AM »
Tamaron Country Club in Toledo Ohio is about half in Ohio and half in Michigan.

Chris
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2015, 09:30:01 AM »
Llanymynech Golf Club, where Ian Woosnam played as a junior, straddles the border between England and Wales.

http://llanymynechgc.co.uk/
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BHoover

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2015, 10:10:55 AM »
Is there a hole at Oyster Bay in Myrtle Beach where you tee off in South Carolina, the ball travels through North Carolina, and then comes to rest back in South Carolina? Or maybe that's just marketing?
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2015, 10:45:18 AM »
I don't think so on Oyster Bay, but the NC/SC border cut through Marsh Harbour (now closed).
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Chris_Blakely

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2015, 10:57:59 AM »
Province Lake GC in Maine (moslty) has two holes in New Hampshire.
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BHoover

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2015, 11:37:25 AM »
Quote from: Jim_Kennedy on July 12, 2015, 10:45:18 AM
I don't think so on Oyster Bay, but the NC/SC border cut through Marsh Harbour (now closed).

That's right, it was Marsh Harbour.
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Stephen Northrup

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2015, 12:21:07 PM »
Council Fire Golf Club in Chattanooga straddles the TN-GA border -- clubhouse in TN but most of course in GA.
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A.G._Crockett

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2015, 03:15:52 PM »
I believe that Ansley/Settindown Creek in Roswell, GA is in both Fulton and Cherokee counties.  And it's a bigger deal than it sounds; the clubhouse was built in Fulton County a year or two after the course opened in a different location than the temporary clubhouse had been in order to get alcohol licenses that Cherokee didn't give at that time.

It not only changed the entrance to the club, but it caused the club to change the hole order pretty dramatically and to the overall detriment of the way the course plays.  It is a VERY good Bob Cupp design, and the club has hosted a lot of important tournaments, but it was a better course when the holes were played in the sequence that Cupp designed.
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Nigel Islam

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2015, 04:23:34 PM »
Quote from: Jason Thurman on July 12, 2015, 06:43:35 AM
The low-water mark that is the Trump thread got me thinking - what are some courses with routings that cross county, state, provincial, or national borders? I think I recall one straddling the Canadian border during US prohibition. Any others?


Jason, if you are thinking of immigrating to Indiana via way of a golf course, I think you first need to acquire a Crimson and Cream card ;)
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2015, 09:10:53 PM »
Cypress Point begins on 17 mile drive and ends in Heaven.
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2015, 10:14:51 PM »
The Jones biography mentioned Richford Vt by Stanley Thompson,  which was a prohibition era course, and that led to this 2006 threadhttp://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?topic=24570.0
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Mike_Young

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2015, 10:21:41 PM »
Heritage Golf Club in ATL is half in Gwinnett county and half in Dekalb county.  the clubhouse is located for alcohol reasons as AG stated regarding Settindown.
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Brad Tufts

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2015, 11:17:48 PM »
Quote from: Jim_Kennedy on July 12, 2015, 08:28:12 AM

AAaA late uncle of mine lived in Fort Fairfield Me. and I recall him telling me about the Aroostook Valley CC. I think the course is on one side (Canadian?) of the border and the clubhouse on the other (US?). That might be the one.

Hi Jim,

You have that right...Aroostook Valley CC was built with the course and clubhouse in Canada, and the pro shop in the US to circumvent prohibition...(or at least the clubhouse was moved into Canada when necessary).  The first two holes are bordered by a road that delineates the border...balls hit left OB are back into the US from Canada.

See this link for my photo tour and commentary: https://picasaweb.google.com/114651692063570065963/AroostookValleyCC

First few and last photos discuss the border.
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2015, 01:25:41 AM »
The River Mersey and its major tributary the Tame forms the boundary between the ancient counties of Lancashire and Cheshire. My own beloved Reddish Vale lies either side of the Tame, with seven holes in Lancashire and eleven in Cheshire.

This is celebrated on the club crest, with the red rose of Lancashire and the wheatsheaf of Cheshire divided by a blue line signifying the river.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2015, 11:15:39 AM »
Brad,
Thanks for the info and sharing the photo tour. Seventeen and 18 - what a beautiful finish.


 
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David Whitmer

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2015, 11:36:54 AM »
Muirfield Village Golf Club is in both Franklin County and Delaware County.
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J Sadowsky

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2015, 12:21:16 PM »
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Chuck Glowacki

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2015, 04:12:18 AM »
Bethpage Black is in both Nassau and Suffolk counties
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Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2015, 05:02:27 AM »
I think Liphook is partly in Hampshire and partly Sussex.
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Richard Fisher

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2015, 05:59:08 AM »
Indeed it is. The excellent 13th hole in the current Liphook arrangement is still I think called 'Two Counties', because you drive off in Sussex and putt out in Hampshire.

The famous sunken blind 4th green at Lindrick was always supposed to be a 'three-shire-point', where Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire met and where the green site, a splendid natural amphitheatre, had historically been used for cock-fighting and fist-fighting, with spectators conveniently able to step into an alternative adjacent county should a particular county constabulary arrive.
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Brad Tufts

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2015, 08:37:54 AM »
Quote from: Jim_Kennedy on July 13, 2015, 11:15:39 AM
Brad,
Thanks for the info and sharing the photo tour. Seventeen and 18 - what a beautiful finish.


It really is a cool place.  Another corner of the country that is not close to anything, but life is slow and gorgeous.
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John Blain

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Re: Border-Jumping Courses
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2015, 09:24:27 PM »
Brad-
When Wayne Levi was honing his game on the mini tours in the mid 70's he won a tournament at Aroostook Valley called the" Bicentennial Open".
I ran into him years back and asked him about Aroostook Valley and he had fond memories of both the event and the course.
-John
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