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Jason Way

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A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« on: June 21, 2015, 11:09:45 PM »
 Having previously only played at Harding Park (which I enjoy), I had not had the pleasure of experiencing Northern California’s singular golf until last week’s visit to Pasatiempo.  I also had the privilege of visiting George Waters and Brett Hochstein on site at Orinda CC, which provided a peek at what East Bay golf has to offer.
Pasatiempo, its restoration and its features have been thoroughly discussed here in these enjoyable threads, among others:
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,34355.0.html
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,34328.0.html
I won’t retread all that ground.  Instead, I will share a few nuggets and my photos (note: links to Pasatiempo’s before-and-after photos are provided for each hole).
 
  • Maintenance and clearing of the barrancas continues.  We saw crews working, and George Waters told me about the goats that continue to be used to clear vegetation.  It’s great to see that commitment, as they are such a cool feature of the back nine.
  • More turf is being taken out of play and replaced with native areas.  Surfing through the Superintendent’s blog (http://www.pasatiempomaintenance.blogspot.com), it is hard not to admire the commitment to responsible water usage.  Drought or not, they just seem to be doing it right at Pasatiempo.
  • I asked the member with whom I played how the membership felt about the cessation of irrigation on the beginnings of the fairways.  He said that it was a shock at first as the fairways browned, but at this point, the membership has gotten behind it.
  • My playing partner told me about the legends of Dr. Mac playing golf on the holes near his home in his pajamas.  That kind of stuff is priceless to me.
  • Also from the club lore, according to my partner, Dr. MacKenzie felt that #16 was the best hole he ever designed. I looked around a bit for any mention of this elsewhere and could not find anything. Can our MacKenzie historians chime in?
  • The greens seemed to be running in the 8-9-ish range, and they were an absolute blast to putt.  I spoke to the pro in the shop and he said that it is a constant battle with a sub-set of the membership to keep them at speeds of 10 or below, because those members think they’re too easy.  Who are these people who think that greens like that are more fun at 12?  I don’t get it.
Without further ado, photos (including a few of Orinda) to follow…
« Last Edit: June 21, 2015, 11:58:49 PM by Jason Way »
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Jason Way

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"Golf is a science, the study of a lifetime, in which you can exhaust yourself but never your subject." - David Forgan

Jason Way

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« Last Edit: March 31, 2016, 03:18:06 PM by Jason Way »
"Golf is a science, the study of a lifetime, in which you can exhaust yourself but never your subject." - David Forgan

Jason Way

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2015, 11:50:26 PM »

ORINDA CC

Many thanks to Brett and George for letting me come out and take a peek at their work on Orinda CC, a Willie Watson course.  It is a cool little course on an interesting piece of property.  I can't wait to see what they do with it - potential for greatness is there.


#1 - Par 4








#16 - Par 4











#18 - Par 5










"Golf is a science, the study of a lifetime, in which you can exhaust yourself but never your subject." - David Forgan

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2016, 01:55:04 PM »
The work at Orinda is substantially complete (Josh Smith is continually fine-tuning details).  Brett Hochstein documents many of the details here in Part 1 of "Orinda Country Club Reopens".  Take a look...Brett did a fantastic job covering many design and construction details. 

http://www.hochsteindesign.com/blog/2016/3/8/dbvp8fbc4ru2jz5tei8x3af0vutf8o

Part 2, when published, will feature more before/after photos and commentary.
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Greg Taylor

Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2016, 05:56:26 PM »
The only hope that left me wondering at Pasa was the 17th... i would be curious to hear others' opinions.


John Cowden

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2016, 06:01:00 PM »
Jason, I've never heard nor read that Mackenzie thought no. 16 was his best two shotter.  Rather, he referred to it as his favorite. 


Greg, no. 17 will grow on you.  Uphill, sloped fairway to a terrific green.  If you don't care for it now, it's a good thing you never played it before Doak restored it.

Jason Way

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2016, 10:30:36 PM »
Jason, I've never heard nor read that Mackenzie thought no. 16 was his best two shotter.  Rather, he referred to it as his favorite. 


I stand corrected.  Thanks for the knowledge John. 


I also stand reminded that I did this post.  Kevin must have been digging.  Early onset CRS disease is a bitch.
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John Cowden

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2016, 11:41:57 PM »
No worries, Jason.  I simply assumed a fellow member got carried away in his tour of the course with you.  Your photos are super, by the way.  And I'm glad you shared your appreciation of "slower" green speeds with the pro shop.  Dr. M didn't design those amazing contours for 10+.  They're a blast at slower speeds, and simply sphincter tightening at more.  Cheers.

Jason Topp

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2016, 02:49:28 PM »
One nit - 10 Pasatiempo is a par 4. 

Jason Way

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2016, 03:20:11 PM »
One nit - 10 Pasatiempo is a par 4.


Not the way I played it that day.


Thanks for the catch.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2016, 06:03:45 AM »
On the day I played last fall, I turned to the back nine with rain clouds gathering, smoke blowing around from a brush fire somewhere nearby, and the blues of the sky fading quickly. My goal was to get through that half with a complete set of photos, as I don't know that I'll ever return (but who wouldn't wish to return?) Oh, to have been Juli Simpson...understandable how her training at that golf course led to three women's amateur titles.


The par four holes on the front were a warm-up for what I faced on the back. At 10, that carry over the first barranca was daunting enough, then I took in the carry over (or the work around) the bunker barranca front and left of the green (mainly the entire left side of the approach fairway.) I would guess that the visual grows on members, but what a place to pick an approach target. I imagine first-timers who easily could come off the front nine, somewhere betweeen 36 and 40, imagining a career round, then comes the inward half.


Although 16 might have been a favorite of Mac, i could understand if he confused it often with 11, or 12, or let's keep going with back-nine, two-shot holes. What a neat hole is eleven. I had to rush through it and 12, as a couple let me through on 10, whence I found myself catching up to a foursome of shelled reptiles on 11 green. Awkward moment...stay...go...stay...go. I opted to play out 11, then skip ahead on 12 (missed it sadly but photographed it gladly) and on to 13 (hearty and hardy) ...then 14 (marvelous) then 15 (magical little sprite hidden among the trees!) and before I knew it, I was at 16.


Fact is, I had forgotten that green, as the tee shot was completely blind. Up and over I went and then there was that green. Like an archaeologist crashing through trees, I was upon the temple before I was aware of its existence. I would have putted there for days, or at least until the shells caught up, but those rain clouds were sponges and I was still needy.


A hole like 17 is a wonderful thing. You shouldn't "get" a course (or a woman, or a man) on first or even second glance. Where's the fascination in that? The nervous and the antsy might wish to discharge control with immediacy, but the remaining few (or many?) of us, who still hold wonderment as a tenet, a commandment, opt for the sweet alternative. I didn't get 17 at all, had no time to reconsider it, for there was 18, which photographs quite well in great light (I've seen) and with difficulty in shoddy illumination (I experienced) so I had to work at my angles. There are many. I hit two tee shots well, found neither of them, but escaped with a nearly-complete set of photos and an estimation for Mac courses.


Since I was unable to access any of his private dens out west, the wonderful pastime will do for now, and perhaps forever.

Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Bill_McBride

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2016, 08:58:37 AM »
What really makes Pasatiempo's 17th hole is the green, which appears benign enough unless one is canny enough to note the high bank left.   The green appears to have little slope itself, but that high left side creates a break of up to a foot on putts that appear level.   The hole appears to be a breather between the terror of 16 and the impudence of the par 3 finisher across the barranca, but respect must be paid. 

Colin Sheehan

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2016, 10:32:44 AM »
I recently had the chance to see Orinda and was extremely impressed. It's a fun, hilly, quirky course that I could play over and over again. Congrats to the club and the architects on the restoration effort. The course makes a cameo in the Yale Golf Team's spring break video with the par-three 8th given a drone flyover. 

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9A2ZuqqhdY

The Orinda portion is from about 1:50 to 2:30.




Brett Hochstein

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Re: A Day in NorCal - Pasatiempo & Orinda Sneak Peek
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2016, 12:52:20 AM »
I recently had the chance to see Orinda and was extremely impressed. It's a fun, hilly, quirky course that I could play over and over again. Congrats to the club and the architects on the restoration effort. The course makes a cameo in the Yale Golf Team's spring break video with the par-three 8th given a drone flyover. 

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9A2ZuqqhdY

The Orinda portion is from about 1:50 to 2:30.


Awesome video!  Love seeing the new features from above.  Other holes featured are 7, 9, 10, and 16.  There's also a quick peek of 4 too at one point.

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