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John Chilver-Stainer

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Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« on: June 21, 2015, 02:58:51 AM »
Introducing the cat to the pigeons!!!

Hasn't the fuss over the Chambers Bay greens supplied a further argument for artificial greens.

There are loads of "Pros" for artificial greens and few "Cons" .

So how come this hasn't entered the discussion up to now?

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2015, 03:45:41 AM »
Artificial bent or fescue?  ;D

Biggest problem I could see with this is changing the pin position. Otherwise why not.

John Chilver-Stainer

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2015, 03:55:30 AM »
Hi Jon,


It would have to be articifical Fescue for Chambers Bay!!!


Good point about cutting the holes - I suppose they could have 4 preselected areas of the green where the hole would be, which don't intefere with each other, and some kind of seamless plug when not in use.


Without the worrying of scalping one could introduce some interesting humps into the green surface.

Greg Gilson

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2015, 05:26:21 AM »
Um......

....no.

Steve Okula

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the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

Carl Rogers

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2015, 06:54:02 AM »
Only Putt Putt can deemed to be "fair"????????
I decline to accept the end of man. ... William Faulkner

Joe Hancock

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2015, 10:16:48 AM »
Where have legitimate artificial greens been successful on a fully functional golf course?
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Wayne_Freedman

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2015, 10:35:21 AM »
Many would argue that in terms of being contrived, these already are 'artificial greens.'

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2015, 03:00:58 PM »
Last year I played a "golf course" about 100 miles south of Chambers Bay. Granted it was attached to a trailer park.
It had seven artificial greens. They were about 20% overgrown and severely undersized.

(Lewis & Clark, near Astoria)

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2015, 03:20:58 AM »
To be a bit more serious John. If as some on here maintain the demand from the golfer is for ever faster, green, consistent putting surface then the conclusion must be that artificial is the eventual way ahead. I am actually struggling to come up with a negative at the moment if these are the main considerations.

Jon

archie_struthers

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open?
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2015, 06:11:34 AM »

 :P




Lol, lol, lol, lol

John Chilver-Stainer

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Re: Should Artificial Greens be introduced at the US Open? New
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2015, 06:42:08 PM »
Jon, as you rightly surmise, there are few cons or negatives except the less natural appearance.
The players would prefer a good quality artifical green in fescue colour to the weedy appearance of the Chambers Bay US Open greens.

 
Artificial greens are suitable for the US Open for the following POSITIVE characteristics:
- Fast with Stimpmeters up to 14
- Firm, with as much as concrete conditions
- Consistent and regular playing surface so putting quality is the same on all greens
- Good aesthetic colour for TV
- No risk of weather and climate altering the conditions overnight
- No risk of disaster agronomics

 
Add to that the general positives
- Environmentally friendly - no fertilisers, no fungicides, no pesticides, no herbicides, no water needs
- Easy to maintain - no cutting, no coring, no feeding - only brushing, cleaning and "dressing"
- Cheap to build - minimal substructure, no irrigation, no expensive quarzsand, no subair

 
Artificial grass is already used in many sports such as tennis, bowls, field hockey, soccer.

 
Artificial grass is used extensively in golf practise areas.

 
It's only a matter of time till the technology of artificial golf grass takes the hassle out of green keeping and becomes part of the pallet available to competition golf.

 
Having said that, I personally would prefer to play on good grass surfaces, but for the US Open it's a "no brainer" - instead of killing the greens with scalping of natural grasses to obtain unnatural stimp readings and the associated problems, simply provide the all encompassing solution of a sustainable artificial green !!!

 
I'm sure Ian Poulter would love it.

 
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