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Josh Tarble

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A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« on: August 06, 2014, 10:39:44 AM »
It is my opinion that Indianapolis is an under-rated city, and severely under-rated as a golf town.  From my perspective there aren’t many cities with as many quality options, both public and private.   I don’t want to get into a “this city, that city” argument, but instead call attention to some of the fantastic golf that’s available around the city.

I haven’t had the opportunity to play every single course in the area, but I’ve played almost all of the better options.  I hope to convey some of my thoughts on the major courses in the area and why someone should consider Indianapolis for a trip of enjoyable golf.

The beauty of Indianapolis golf is that private options aren’t vastly superior to the private clubs.  Sure, Crooked Stick and Wolf Run are great, but I don’t think they are by far and away better than options like the Fort or Trophy Club.

As stated above, there isn’t a vast difference between the best and worst courses in Indianapolis.  But I do think two courses stand above the rest:  Crooked Stick and Wolf Run.

Located in Carmel, just north of downtown Indianapolis, Crooked Stick is a private, golf-only club that was built in 1964 by Pete Dye.  I think it’s pretty well known that Dye found the land and financing on his own.  It probably represents the course he has spent the most time building and modifying through the years.  It’s a true championship layout, hosting the ’91 PGA Championship, ’93 Women’s US Open, ’05 Solheim Cup, ’09 Senior US Open and ’12 BMW Championship.  However, it’s also a great members course, with a very walk-able routing and playable tees.   It’s a great example of Dye’s ability to challenge the strong player, yet keep it playable for the lesser players.  There are some standard “Dye holes” at Crooked Stick, especially the par 3s, but there are also some really very unique holes.  The par 5s are reason enough to visit.  Each one is world-class.  Truly one of the can’t miss in the area.

About 10 miles north and west from Crooked Stick, Wolf Run is a private club located in Zionsville and was opened in 1989.  The property for Wolf is excellent with rolling hills, a meandering creek and wooded areas. The backstory for Wolf is that Steve Smyers was brought in with directions to build the hardest course he could.  In recent years, they’ve had to open it up slightly by mowing significant portions of tall grass and rough.  I absolutely love Wolf, initially I thought it was far and away better than Crooked Stick.  But looking back I do think they are very comparable, especially for lesser players.  I think the old adage is true here, it’s very easy to design an extremely difficult course but the true challenge lies in providing an interesting test for all players.   That being said, I thought that Wolf was fairly playable for the smart player and only on a few holes was it overly burdensome.  I do think Wolf would have a better reputation if it didn’t just crush anyone above an 10 handicap.  Still, Wolf Run showcases some of the best terrain in Indianapolis and many good players may enjoy it more than Crooked Stick.

Josh Tarble

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2014, 10:41:14 AM »
Beyond Wolf Run and Crooked Stick, there are several courses that I think are very close in quality but probably a slight step below.  These courses include Brickyard Crossing, the Fort, Broadmoor, Purgatory, Trophy Club and Woodland.

When someone has one course to play in Indianapolis, I almost always recommend Brickyard Crossing.  It’s a Pete Dye design that was re-opened in 1994.  It held the Brickyard Crossing Championship, a senior tour event, for several years.  14 holes are just outside the Indianapolis Motor Speedway with 4 holes actually in the infield of the speedway.  It’s a very cool experience (even more-so if you can get a tee time during Indy 500 practice) and a very fun golf course.  I think it gets a little bit of a bad rap because 1) it’s the most expensive public course in Indy at $100 2) the rounds can be really slow.  But there are some really, really fun holes and it is very playable for all handicap levels.  I personally think two of the most fun holes in Indianapolis are at the Brickyard (#3 and #14) Again, Dye shows his expertise in challenging the strong player and maintaining playability for weaker players.  The key is all in playing the right tees at the Brickyard. The Brickyard is a one-of-a-kind golf experience and a really fun course to boot.

The Fort Golf Course is part of Benjamin Harrison State Park and was redesigned by Pete Dye and Tim Liddy in the late 90s – I’m not familiar with what was there prior, but the current course is hard to beat.  In my opinion, the land that Fort occupies is the most unique in Indianapolis – the closest competition is probably Wolf Run, but even Wolf lacks the dramatic features of the Fort.  I would have to guess it’s the exact opposite of what golfers think of “Indiana golf.”  The stretch of holes 2 thru 11 is truly excellent, with a wide variety of shots and holes.  For those golfers who say they aren’t Pete Dye fans, the Fort should be an eye-opener as it’s very much a lay-of-the-land course without a ton of visible earth-moving (I do think the Fort was a lot Mr. Liddy’s work and it’s better for it).  It’s a very cool course and would be one of the top publics in any city in America.

Broadmoor Country Club is one of two (along with the French Lick Course) Donald Ross courses in Indiana.  It was established in 1922 and has seen very minimal changes since then.  Broadmoor hosted a Senior Tour event from ’88 to ’93 – after which it went to the Brickyard.  This may sound like hyperbole , but Broadmoor has one of the best sets of greens I’ve ever played.  The greens truly make the course and are a must-see by themselves.  Broadmoor probably suffers a bit of tree encroachment, but a small renovation in 2004 has helped clean out the worst offenders and pushed the greens out to the edges of the green pads.  Broadmoor is also grateful to have an excellent super in Chris Hague, who keeps the course in impeccable condition.  Overall, Broadmoor is 18 holes of really solid golf holes with 18 excellent greens.  It’s a course that is really a joy to play day in day out.

Purgatory is an interesting beast.  It’s located north of downtown Indianapolis about  40 minutes in Noblesville, IN.   It was built in the mid-90s by Ron Kern.  At first glance Purgatory is a course that most here would scoff at – they advertise they’re the longest non-mountain course in the world, over 200 bunkers and all the traditional “brags” that accompany a hard, boring course.  After playing it though, it’s pretty clear that there is more than meets the eye.  There are some excellent holes on the course and showcases some really strong architectural principles.  There are several tees on the holes, so it’s very elastic and very playable.  In fact, besides having tees back at 7700 yards, it is also continually rated as one of the top facilities for women with tees all the way down to 4500 yards.  It does get a bit repetitive, especially with some of the holes toward the end of the round, but there is really a lot of fun golf at Purgatory.

In many people’s opinion, Trophy Club in Lebanon, IN is the best public course in Indy.  I don’t know if I think it’s the best, but it is right near the top and my only issue with it is the location, about an hour from downtown Indy.  Like the Fort, I believe that Trophy Club would be in any other city’s top public list and if it was in Chicago or Philadelphia it would be rated as one of the top public courses in the country.  It’s really that good.  Trophy Club was designed by Tim Liddy and opened in 1998.  The course really utilizes its width very well – and all the width is necessary as it’s a beast when the wind picks up.  The greens are very fun without being overly taxing.   Mr. Liddy’s uses of the terrain, which mainly is one large ridge in the center of the property, is excellent and he also shows an excellent use of playing angles to confound the better player but provide plenty of room for the higher handicap.  The only negatives to the course are sometimes the conditioning can be spotty and I’ve heard that round-times can creep into the excessively long area.   I haven’t experienced either of those issues in the numerous times I’ve played and have no doubt anyone on this site would absolutely love Trophy Club (in fact, one of my most enjoyable golf experiences was playing a 6-some in about 3 hours with a group of GCAers after the 2012 Midwest Mashie).

I think the final course on this level is Woodland Country Club.  It was built as Bill Diddel’s “pet project” in the 1920s.  I believe it still retains some of the bones, but Pete Dye came in during the mid-90s and completely changed the course.  I have heard it described as Crooked Stick Light – which is probably a pretty accurate description as they’re only a couple miles apart and the land shares similar characteristics.  I’m not as familiar with it as the other courses on the list, but I have heard good things.  Seeing what little of it I have, I am sure it would be an enjoyable place to play and a great add-on to any trip.


Josh Tarble

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2014, 10:42:42 AM »
After those courses, there is another jump down in quality.  This group has some solid courses in their own right, but no one coming into town would put these on any top list to play.  Among these course include:  Meridian Hills (private) which would be a so-so example of Bill Diddle’s work, although a recent renovation added a few new holes, which are extremely out of character. Heartland Crossing (public) is a pretty good sister-course to Wolf Run, both designed by Steve Smyers. Heartland definitely has some of the same features, albeit very toned down, as Wolf.  Prairie View (public) is a RTJ Jr. course, which is solid, but nothing overly great or unique. Highland Country Club (private) is actually a Willie Park Jr. and Bill Diddel course, although I’m not sure how much of either is still in the ground.  There are a few others, but nothing worth writing or visiting.

If a golfer was so inclined, they could also experience a great background with the early works of Pete Dye.   A few of these have fallen into hard times as far as maintenance and tree encroachment, but the bones remain and it’s pretty cool to look back and see even then, Dye had an excellent understanding of angles and strategic playing characteristics.  Among these course would be Dye’s Walk – the first Pete Dye design ever, Maple Creek, which was Dye’s first full 18-hole design, Sahm Golf Course, which was designed just before he broke ground on Crooked Stick and of course Crooked Stick, Brickyard Crossing and the Fort.  Playing all those courses on one itinerary would be a very interesting lesson in Pete Dye design.

I know French Lick Resort and Casino isn’t all that close to Indy (about 2.5 hours) but if you are looking for a great golf experience at a very atypical location, you could do a lot worse than French Lick.  It would also make a great add-on to any Indianapolis itinerary.  At French Lick is of course the Dye Course, but also the Ross Course and Sultan’s Run.  It’s my personal belief that the Ross Course is the highlight, just a blast of a course to play on land that is certainly on the extreme side of fit-for-golf, I can’t imagine playing it when it first opened in 1917.  It had to single-handedly demoralize people into quitting golf!  Sultan’s Run is a nice course as well, also designed by Tim Liddy, and it makes a nice accompaniment to the Ross and Dye but it doesn’t merit a stand-alone trip in my opinion.  The Dye course at FL is very polarizing, but it is a fantastic experience and worth making a trip if you’re at all inclined.   It can also be pretty pricey, but the rate is an all-day rate and packages with the casino do help as well.

Outside of golf, Indianapolis is both an overlooked and up-and-coming city.  Both the restaurant and craft beer scenes are very vibrant, with numerous great options.  Within the past half-dozen years or so, a significant amount of both restaurants and breweries have opened.  It will certainly never challenge Chicago or any big city, but Indy is coming out of its “chain restaurant” faze and really good unique options are opening.

I don’t think Indy is meant for a long trip, but any golfers looking for really good golf, great restaurants and very accessible city are doing themselves a disservice overlooking Indianapolis.  I know some of these are brief write-ups, but I’d love to answer any questions you have about specific courses or Indy in general.

Mark Pritchett

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2014, 11:00:20 AM »
I agree that Indianapolis is underrated as a golf city, especially on the public side. 

I really enjoyed Brickyard Crossing, Crooked Stick and Wolf Run.  Harrison Hills is only about an hour away and is worth the trip as is French Lick.   

Any feedback on Country Club of Indianapolis?


John Kavanaugh

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2014, 11:04:59 AM »
Canyata is only an hour from the airport.  Has it become part of the Indy discussion?

Mark Pritchett

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2014, 11:19:01 AM »
Canyata is only an hour from the airport.  Has it become part of the Indy discussion?

I guess we should add in Sycamore Hills as well, probably closer than French Lick. 

Richard Hetzel

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2014, 11:23:14 AM »
I totally agree that Indy is underrated as far as golf is concerned. It is way past Cincinnati; especially in the area of public options. The Fort and Trophy Club are great golf courses. Bearslide is fairly close to Indy as well and is a really fun golf course. Maybe some day I can find a way to play Crooked Stick as well. I am going to play Heartland Crossing in a few weeks, hopefully it is worth the 2 hour drive...
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2014, 11:23:57 AM »
Canyata is only an hour from the airport.  Has it become part of the Indy discussion?

I guess we should add in Sycamore Hills as well, probably closer than French Lick. 

That I don't see.  French Lick is not only closer it provides ancillary entertainment.

Mark Pritchett

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2014, 11:25:58 AM »
Canyata is only an hour from the airport.  Has it become part of the Indy discussion?

I guess we should add in Sycamore Hills as well, probably closer than French Lick. 

That I don't see.  French Lick is not only closer it provides ancillary entertainment.

Just referring to the GCA habit of when discussing cities we usually point out courses within a 2-3 hour radius. 

Josh Tarble

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2014, 11:29:33 AM »
Canyata is only an hour from the airport.  Has it become part of the Indy discussion?

It seems Canyata is too exclusive and not good enough to be included.


I really only included French Lick as I'd have to guess most people flying in are either going thru Indy or Louisville.  Sorry to spoil your oasis  :)




Harrison Hills is only about an hour away and is worth the trip as is French Lick.  

Any feedback on Country Club of Indianapolis?



Harrison Hills is definitely worth the trip, as is the Kampen Course and Rock Hollow if anyone is looking for a side trip out of town.


CCI is interesting.  I know a lot of people that really enjoy it, but I personally don't care for it much. There are some solid holes out there, but there are also a few really bad ones that kind of spoil it for me.


BHoover

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2014, 11:38:21 AM »
Thanks for a great overview, Josh. I've been to Prairie View (for a wedding reception). I remember seeing several other courses in that area but I don't remember the names.

Mark Jackson

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2014, 11:44:02 AM »
I agree that Indianapolis has pretty solid options for golf. A trip to the area for golf also would be pretty reasonable in price. I enjoyed the rounds that I have played at the Fort and Heartland Crossing. There are a few Bill Diddle courses in the area I grew up in. While his courses may not be worldbeaters, they are enjoyable. Having not seen Diddle's courses in Indianapolis , I would hope that the courses he built around Indianapolis (I believe he was based in the area) would provide similar experiences.

I am a huge fan of Wolf Run and think it deserves more publicity than it currently gets. As Josh pointed out, it is much more playable since they began to trim back some of the tall grass and rough. My only knock on it is that a few times that I played it, it appeared to suffer a bit from poor maintenance, but I think the architecture is pretty good. It is always a challenge and on a nice rolling piece of property that is not expected of the Indianapolis area. The contrast between the holes that go through the woods and the more open holes is nice as well.

Andy Troeger

Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2014, 12:19:09 PM »
I've played a good sample of these courses, although most of them were 7-10 years ago so any recent changes aren't noted.

For the better player, I think Wolf Run is easily the most interesting course in town. The routing is really impressive on a small piece of property, and the terrain creates some really interesting holes and features. The flow is amazing, with little gems like #7 and #16 tucked in with brutes like #8 and #15. I love how the tiny 16th comes after the toughest stretch on the course (#12-15). The negative is that it is really hard and I can understand how double-digit handicaps wouldn't like it. But, I don't think every course needs to be playable for every golfer, and Wolf Run is one of the few "really hard and really fun" courses I've seen.

Crooked Stick comes in #2 in the area, and I disagree with Josh's assertion that there isn't a vast gap between these two and everything else. I think Wolf Run is really underrated and Crooked Stick is rightly considered for Top 100 lists. The gap is certainly there, although I do like The Fort as a solid #3. There are at least a handful of other courses around the state that fall in between the top two and The Fort (Ross Cse at FL, South Bend CC, Sycamore Hills, Rock Hollow, Sultan's Run). Victoria National is my #1 in the state and the Dye at FL isn't a favorite.

I haven't played any of them recently, but I remember CC of Indianapolis, Broadmoor, and Meridian Hills to all be of similar quality (have not seen the renovation at Meridian Hills). I think Broadmoor probably gets a bump because it is a Ross design, but my recollection is that CC Indianapolis was the most interesting tee-to-green. Broadmoor does have Ross greens, which means less to me than some. Highland CC and Hillcrest CC are also Indy parkland clubs, but strike me being a little less interesting than the other three. Bear Slide is a nice public option, but I wasn't a fan of Woodwind (formerly Hanging Tree north of town) or The Legends of Indiana which is a bit south of town.

Overall Indianapolis certainly has some good golf, but I do think people realize that. It misses having that old classic in the top fifty that brings people in to see the other options.


Brian Finn

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2014, 12:27:24 PM »
This is a terrific write-up and resource, Josh.  Thank you.  I'd love to see similar guides for other (especially mid-sized) cities.

I have really enjoyed all of the golf courses I have played in Indianapolis - Broadmoor, The Fort, and Crooked Stick. 

Hoping to see Wolf Run and one or two others this fall.
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Howard Riefs

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2014, 12:34:06 PM »
A very nice guide about a city that deserves more recognition for its strong public golf.  It's also a reminder of the enjoyable 2012 Midwest Mashie that featured the Trophy Club and Broadmoor ... with unofficial stops, for some, at Harrison Hills and Trophy Club. 

A few photos of the courses in that MM thread:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,52173.msg1233141.html#msg1233141
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Adam Warren

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2014, 12:44:20 PM »
I don't think Trophy Club was that far from downtown Indy.  I was thinking 40 minutes or so.  We stayed at the Westin downtown, and it didn't seem like a very long trip at all really.  TC was easily my favorite course on the trip and I need to get back there ASAP.

Matthew Lloyd

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2014, 12:45:53 PM »
Great breakdown.  I've only played Wolf Run and Purgatory but really enjoyed both.  I'm not a strong enough player to fully handle Wolf Run, but it was a hell of a lot of fun to play.  That short par 3 on the back nine with the tiny green was diabolical, in the best sense.  I wouldn't recommend playing it in temperatures under 50 degrees (which is what I did), but I'm dying to go back.  And totally agree about Purgatory -- I played it from the far back tees (and I'm not that long of a hitter) but didn't find the length to be a huge problem as there are a lot of ways to play the course.  Definitely more variety there than meets the eye.

This list gives me a lot of courses to try and play at some point.

And Indy is totally underrated as a city --- in my opinion it should be the permanent host city of the Final 4.

Josh Tarble

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2014, 01:11:53 PM »

For the better player, I think Wolf Run is easily the most interesting course in town. The routing is really impressive on a small piece of property, and the terrain creates some really interesting holes and features. The flow is amazing, with little gems like #7 and #16 tucked in with brutes like #8 and #15. I love how the tiny 16th comes after the toughest stretch on the course (#12-15). The negative is that it is really hard and I can understand how double-digit handicaps wouldn't like it. But, I don't think every course needs to be playable for every golfer, and Wolf Run is one of the few "really hard and really fun" courses I've seen.


Andy,  very good rundown on Wolf.  The routing is one reason I think the course deserves a lot more credit.  It's a fairly small and severe property, but Smyers did a really good job of making a really varied and unique routing.  We didn't walk, but I know I'd walk on my next play.  I had heard it would be a tough walk, but in my opinion, no more difficult than a course like Kingsley.  It also does a nice job (or at least as good as it can) of balancing really tough holes with more playable ones.  It's a very unique course and one that deserves more credit than it receives.

Also, you should really get back to Broadmoor if you haven't been within the last 6 or 8 years.  I do believe the trees took out a lot of the character of the course, but since they've been thinned out I really think it's a step above the rest of the privates in Indy.  I would put it fairly close to Crooked Stick, but I'm probably a homer.

Mark Pearce

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2014, 01:18:47 PM »
I'm a double digit handicapper (12) and I loved Wolf Run on my one visit.  That said, I played pretty well and shot 100 and I don't mind getting beaten up so long as the course is interesting, which WR certainly is.  It is very hard for the teen handicapper, though.
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Chris DeToro

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2014, 01:21:12 PM »
Wolf Run was a lot of fun to play despite the barrage on my game.  Great routing, lots of tough holes and not an over reliance on just brute length to make it very difficult. 


JHoulihan

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2014, 09:12:48 PM »
Great thread Josh. I grew up living in Indiana and lived in Indianapolis from 2006 to 2009. I have played nearly top public course within 1 hour of Indianapolis area. I will add a few things to the above. 1) Crooked Stick seems great walk after watching Women's Am/LPGA/PGA tournaments here. I have yet to tee it up personally here. When you see this range of multiple organizations choosing a tournament location  I think it is not a mistake by all. 2) Within I-465 circle are many courses. My favorites played are a) The Fort b) Brickyard Crossing 3) Just outside I-465 circle are many others. My favorites include a) Trophy Club b) Bear Slide c) Purgatory 4) My "others" list includes a) Rock Hollow.

The Fort - Favorite is #4
Incredible piece of property. Good ride but even better walk, especially in the fall.
Brickyard
Not all are racing fans, but I guarantee if you go in May during practice days it will be a day you will not soon forget.
Trophy Club - Favorites #2-7-8-18
NW side of town but only about 1 mile off major highway and very easy to travel to. Large property feel and especially in the wind you appreciate the up and down feel when walking.
Bear Slide - Favorites #8-9 -15-16-17-18
Directly north of town about 5-10 miles between highways. Two different feeling nines may not be enjoyed by all. The greens and conditioning here are I think the best of every public track I played in the area.
Purgatory - Favorites #2-18
Great options based on which tees are played. Your ego may push you backward but do not unless long off the tee and do not want to hit long irons/hybrids into par 4 holes. Conditioning here is good so do not let the long grass/fescue seen from SR-37 scare you away.
Rock Hollow
My favorite for sure. Both for growing up only about 20 minutes away, and the overall feeling when on course. I will be happy to add more details if prompted by others.

Is it a mecca - no. Is it northern Michigan comparison - no (IMO). Is it a good city with great prices and availability - yes.

Philip Caccamise

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2014, 09:38:53 PM »
There are about 20 cities in America with a metro population of 1 to 2 million, which is what I would consider "midsize".

Columbus, OH
Indianapolis, IN
Austin, TX
Nashville, TN
Virginia Beach, VA
Providence, RI
Milwaukee, WI
Jacksonville, FL
Memphis, TN
Oklahoma City, OK
Louisville, KY
Richmond, VA
New Orleans, LA
Hartford, CT
Raleigh, NC
Salt Lake City, UT
Birmingham, AL
Buffalo, NY
Rochester, NY
Grand Rapids, MI

Now, it can be difficult to define the line of inclusion for some of these cities- for example, does Raleigh get credit for Pinehurst? But under a "standard" definition I think three of these stand out as the best for golf, and oddly enough they are three of the coldest: Columbus, Indianapolis, and Rochester. The site of this year's PGA Championship, Louisville, probably ranks at the bottom to be honest. Anybody disagree?

Criss Titschinger

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2014, 10:02:24 PM »
Thanks for spending time on the write-up. I agree that Indy is overlooked when it comes to public golf. I always try to get my Cincy buddies up there. You could make a nice buddies weekend out of Trophy Club, Brickyard, The Fort, Purgatory, and Bear Slide. And I certainly wouldn't turn down an invite at Crooked Stick, Wolf Run, or Broadmoor.

Nigel Islam

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2014, 10:06:35 PM »
There are about 20 cities in America with a metro population of 1 to 2 million, which is what I would consider "midsize".

Columbus, OH
Indianapolis, IN
Austin, TX
Nashville, TN
Virginia Beach, VA
Providence, RI
Milwaukee, WI
Jacksonville, FL
Memphis, TN
Oklahoma City, OK
Louisville, KY
Richmond, VA
New Orleans, LA
Hartford, CT
Raleigh, NC
Salt Lake City, UT
Birmingham, AL
Buffalo, NY
Rochester, NY
Grand Rapids, MI

Now, it can be difficult to define the line of inclusion for some of these cities- for example, does Raleigh get credit for Pinehurst? But under a "standard" definition I think three of these stand out as the best for golf, and oddly enough they are three of the coldest: Columbus, Indianapolis, and Rochester. The site of this year's PGA Championship, Louisville, probably ranks at the bottom to be honest. Anybody disagree?

Phil I would rank Louisville ahead of at least Nashville.

Nigel Islam

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Re: A Golfer's Guide to Indianapolis
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2014, 10:10:30 PM »
Josh, I agree with everything you said, but I would probably steer someone in the direction of a Eagle Creek before Sahm if they were doing a Dye tour. Surely the added nine didn't destroy it that bad? I do like Sahm too, but Dye fans are going to recognize more at EC.

BTW I know a great tour guide at Broadmoor ;)