Then and Now - photos

[Joe_Tucholski]

We often talk about the evolution of golf courses and there are lots of old photos out there.  I love looking at the way things were vs the way things are now.  Lets see some of those then and now photos you all have.

Here are some I've been looking at tonight.

12th at Augusta circa 1955 and modern

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7th at Pebble circa 1956 and modern

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18th at Pebble Beach circa 1956 and modern

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9th at Cypress circa 1951 and modern

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Edit:  Realized I should specifically reference the modern photos as well.
The Augusta photo is from www.WorldGolf.com
The Pebble photo of the 7th is from www.tpl.eu.com the 18th is from www.titleist.com
The Cypress photos is from www.tonyrobertsphotography.com

[Jim Nugent]

Joe, really cool pictures.  The ANGC photos show how much they raised the green.  I read in Wexler's essay on the changes at ANGC that when the club made the green higher, it also made it more uniform in shape, and a lot flatter: the right side used to be smaller and higher.  Do you have any photos of that?

I'm a bit confused on the CPC photos.  It seems like either they shifted the tee over to the left a bit, or shifted the fairway over to the right, in the process taking out those two bunkers.  Can anyone clarify if, why and when? 

[Ben Hollerbach]

I'm fairly certain the older Cypress Point photo is mirrored.

[Scott McWethy]

I'm fairly certain the older Cypress Point photo is mirrored.

You're correct Ben as the fairway on the 8th hole runs parallel to the 9th and is on your left side when playing down the 9th hole.  Photo that Joe put on here was mirrored.  The hole really doesn't look much different today as compared to back then, which is a good thing.  This is really cool looking at all these "then and now" photos.  Thanks again Joe for posting this.

[Dane Hawker]

Far prefer the old pebble 7th

[Sean_A]

Far prefer the old pebble 7th

The bunkering is shock ugly, but the hole location front right is very cool.

The green pad for the old hole seems to extend mcuh further right than today.  There is also that odd looking notch cut into the pad - never noticed this before.

Thanks for posting Joe.

Ciao

[Jim Nugent]

I recall seeing photos of #7 at Pebble where the bunkers were not uniformly shaped, but instead rough and wild.  I guess that was earlier?

[Tom Kelly]

I recall seeing photos of #7 at Pebble where the bunkers were not uniformly shaped, but instead rough and wild.  I guess that was earlier?

From 1928.

http://www.julianpgraham.com/galleryPebbleBeach.htm#

[BCrosby]

Joe, really cool pictures.  The ANGC photos show how much they raised the green.  I read in Wexler's essay on the changes at ANGC that when the club made the green higher, it also made it more uniform in shape, and a lot flatter: the right side used to be smaller and higher. 

The 12th also looks like it has shrunk along its left to right axis.

Bob

[Ben Hollerbach]

Joe, really cool pictures.  The ANGC photos show how much they raised the green.  I read in Wexler's essay on the changes at ANGC that when the club made the green higher, it also made it more uniform in shape, and a lot flatter: the right side used to be smaller and higher. 

The 12th also looks like it has shrunk along its left to right axis.

Bob

It might have, but unless the Hogan bridge was re-oriented the two pictures were shot from very different angles. Which could account for the distortion.

[Jon Wiggett]

Ben,

I think the bridge was realigned and the front bunker extended. I think the new 7th at PB is much better.

Jon

[Sean_A]

Far prefer the old pebble 7th

The bunkering is shock ugly, but the hole location front right is very cool.

The green pad for the old hole seems to extend much further right than today.  There is also that odd looking notch cut into the pad - never noticed this before.

Thanks for posting Joe.

Ciao

Looking more closely at the 12th, I think the notch to the right is the end of the green and the rest of the "pad" may be a forward tee for #13. 

Ciao

[Andrew Buck]

I'll take 1928 pebble.

[Greg Taylor]

Great pics - thanks for posting!

The first pic of CPC threw me for a second.

[Thomas Dai]

Great stuff. Well done for finding the source and highlighting it.
atb

[Ryan Taylor]

Great link. MacKenzie in the bunker at Pasatiempo and the photograph of his funeral are captivating.

[Jeffrey Conners]

Interesting that the Hogan Bridge was once covered with real grass.

[Joe_Tucholski]

Joe, really cool pictures.  The ANGC photos show how much they raised the green.  I read in Wexler's essay on the changes at ANGC that when the club made the green higher, it also made it more uniform in shape, and a lot flatter: the right side used to be smaller and higher.  Do you have any photos of that?

I'm a bit confused on the CPC photos.  It seems like either they shifted the tee over to the left a bit, or shifted the fairway over to the right, in the process taking out those two bunkers.  Can anyone clarify if, why and when? 

Jim all the "Then" photos were from The Noer/Milorganite® Image Collection hosted by Michigan State.  Anthony Pioppi posted a thread on it yesterday and I spent the entire night going through the photos.  Augusta only had hole photos from 1955.  Apparently they are a collection of slides and some of the slides were converted to digital images, which explains why the CPC photo is flipped (they have a method to correct errors and I sent a message - also corrected by initial post with the flipped image).

[Joe_Tucholski]

Time for some more photos from Cali.  I should note the now photos are not my photos but have been found online at various blogs or other golf sites.

Bel air 17th 1965

"Courtesy of the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District and Michigan State University Turfgrass Information Center"





LACC 11th 1951

"Courtesy of the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District and Michigan State University Turfgrass Information Center"

pre reno 2002 from Rans review


Post reno




Mission Hills, home of an LPGA major, and construction of 18th green 1970

"Courtesy of the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District and Michigan State University Turfgrass Information Center"





Pasatiempo 11th 1955

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Edit: Realized I should reference the modern photos as well.
Bel Air is from www.planetgolfusa.com
The most current LACC is also from www.planetgolfusa.com
Mission Hills is from www.thehenebrys.com as the logo indicates.
Pasatiempo is from www.golftripper.com

[Michael Felton]

That Bel Air one is quite something. Looks like mowing lines drifted inwards and then someone said "this green used to be bigger", so they pushed it out, but on the wrong side. Either that or someone didn't like their ball rolling off that right side.

[astavrides]

why is there water in the background of the first bel-air picture but not the second?

[Jim Nugent]

At LACC, it looks to me like they cut the edges of the bunker differently.  But the bunker placement, shape and size look the same.  Same with the green and virtually everything else.  Did they make any substantive changes to the hole? 

[Joe_Tucholski]

why is there water in the background of the first bel-air picture but not the second?

There was a reservoir there.  Not sure when it was filled in but think the practice facility is in it's place.  The area has changed a bit.  Here is a picture from the waterandpower.org website showing the view from Bel-Air towards UCLA the year it opened (1929).

[Joe_Tucholski]

At LACC, it looks to me like they cut the edges of the bunker differently.  But the bunker placement, shape and size look the same.  Same with the green and virtually everything else.  Did they make any substantive changes to the hole? 

No substantive changes to 11.  The bunkers apparently were cut the current way in the 20's.  The following link details all the changes made during the restoration, with accompanying before and after photos.   http://persimmongolftoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/NorthCourse_Commemorative_Edition.pdf

[Joe_Tucholski]

Eastlake 10th 1960

"Courtesy of the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District and Michigan State University Turfgrass Information Center"


from www.golftripper.com



Bob O’Link 8th hole 1959

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1973

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from www.theitinerantgolfer.com



Beverly CC 1958 12th hole

"Courtesy of the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District and Michigan State University Turfgrass Information Center"


from Ran's review