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Nigel Islam

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What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« on: June 26, 2014, 04:09:11 PM »
In the Rumor Mill thread, Cherry Hills and Lake Merced were both described as shortish for a men's major championship. What would be the minimum length a tour event could be played? A major? Merion (a special case, I realize) was 6996 so is the number less than this?
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David Bartman

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 06:50:13 PM »
7251 was the average length in 2009
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Matthew Petersen

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2014, 07:03:00 PM »
Cherry Hills is over 7,300 but at altitude plays more like 6700 or so. It also has numerous downhill drives that shorten some holes.
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J_ Crisham

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2014, 07:03:25 PM »
Colonial is usually the shortest tour event set up at about 6900 and change. They can stretch it out a bit longer.
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Mark Pritchett

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2014, 07:08:54 PM »
As I recall Harbour Town is just under 7,000 yards. 
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Paul Gray

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2014, 07:09:19 PM »
Old figures but apparently in 2010.......

US: Pebble Beach, 6,816 yards
European: Killarney, 6,566 yards
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Joe Bausch

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2014, 08:42:10 PM »
Why are you starting this thread Nigel when the Web.com tourney is out at Victoria National?   ;)
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Nigel Islam

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2014, 11:20:16 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on June 26, 2014, 08:42:10 PM
Why are you starting this thread Nigel when the Web.com tourney is out at Victoria National?   ;)

Ha, I worked all day and basically just sat down to watch the tape. This is one of the better tourney weeks of the year from an architectural standpoint with Fox Chapel, Congressional, and Victoria.Caught about 10 minutes of Fox Chapel at work today. The 17th brought a smile to my face. I think I might have ADHD or something at work.
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Jim Nugent

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2014, 01:32:06 AM »
Merion played under 7000 yards all four days of the 2013 US Open.  The last day the card listed 6869. 
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Anthony_Nysse

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2014, 05:27:37 AM »
Quote from: J_ Crisham on June 26, 2014, 07:03:25 PM
Colonial is usually the shortest tour event set up at about 6900 and change. They can stretch it out a bit longer.

After the renovation in 2008, Colonial can now stretch to over 7200yds. It usually plays 7150+ each day. #2 was even a drivable par 4 in 2009.
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Jason Thurman

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2014, 09:15:43 AM »
Quote from: Nigel Islam on June 26, 2014, 11:20:16 PM
I think I might have ADHD or something at work.

Remind me not to get sick in the tri-state area.

I wonder if the minimum length is more a space requirement than a length requirement. More length usually means more space for parking, tents, booths, VIP areas, and spectators. If courses under 7000 yards can host a US Open while producing final scores around even par (thanks to a butchered, tricked-up Mike Davis setup), I would think a normal Tour event could work from as little as 6700 or so if you're willing to get some low scores and loud cheers going. But most 6700 yard courses would have far less space for infrastructure and spectators, which would make them much more difficult logistically for hosting an event.
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Nigel Islam

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Re: What is the minimum length for a tour event?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2014, 10:31:19 AM »
Quote from: Jason Thurman on June 27, 2014, 09:15:43 AM
Quote from: Nigel Islam on June 26, 2014, 11:20:16 PM
I think I might have ADHD or something at work.

Remind me not to get sick in the tri-state area.

I wonder if the minimum length is more a space requirement than a length requirement. More length usually means more space for parking, tents, booths, VIP areas, and spectators. If courses under 7000 yards can host a US Open while producing final scores around even par (thanks to a butchered, tricked-up Mike Davis setup), I would think a normal Tour event could work from as little as 6700 or so if you're willing to get some low scores and loud cheers going. But most 6700 yard courses would have far less space for infrastructure and spectators, which would make them much more difficult logistically for hosting an event.

Its better than the other tri state area with Dr. Doofenshmirtz.......

I was really thinking just the play-ability of the course in my question, not the infrastructure for a tourney.
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