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Jud_T

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2014, 01:13:14 PM »
Steve,

No reason to be apologetic.  Many of us would kill to have a reasonably priced public option as good as Harrison Hills nearby.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #51 on: May 01, 2014, 01:26:56 PM »
Jud,
I don't know if I've ever asked or heard....what makes Shoreacres better than Chicago Golf?  Just the terrain? Seems to me like they'd be pretty close in design and stature.

For me, I give the edge to Shoreacres because of the landforms created by ravines coming off the Lake Michigan shoreline.  This creates some pretty fun and occasionally dramatic landscapes that Chicago Golf lacks.  They are both great, but Shoreacres wins the head-to-head on visual interest.

Terry, very cool.  Just lack of length that keeps the two from swapping spots in the eyes of most raters?  

Not that it really matters, I've just always wondered since they are so similar in design and stature.


I suppose a case can be made that some of the more famous template holes are marginally better at Chicago Golf.  The Redan hole is simply magnificent.  The Punchbowl (Shoreacres doesn't have one) is amazing and the Eden's green is one of the most beguiling and difficult that you'll ever putt.  As for difficulty, if that matters, Chicago Golf is more difficult. 
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Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2014, 01:36:29 PM »
Jud,
I don't know if I've ever asked or heard....what makes Shoreacres better than Chicago Golf?  Just the terrain? Seems to me like they'd be pretty close in design and stature.

For me, I give the edge to Shoreacres because of the landforms created by ravines coming off the Lake Michigan shoreline.  This creates some pretty fun and occasionally dramatic landscapes that Chicago Golf lacks.  They are both great, but Shoreacres wins the head-to-head on visual interest.

This topic needs its own thread. I have played both courses more than 20 times each. To me, for my game, I give the edge to CGC. Interesting to see if Tom Doak sees this as he has done work at both and is now wrapping up more work at SA.

Different clubs with WAY different memberships. SA is right on the lake and called "the coldest spot in Illinois".

Terry, very cool.  Just lack of length that keeps the two from swapping spots in the eyes of most raters?  

Not that it really matters, I've just always wondered since they are so similar in design and stature.


I suppose a case can be made that some of the more famous template holes are marginally better at Chicago Golf.  The Redan hole is simply magnificent.  The Punchbowl (Shoreacres doesn't have one) is amazing and the Eden's green is one of the most beguiling and difficult that you'll ever putt.  As for difficulty, if that matters, Chicago Golf is more difficult. 

Jud_T

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2014, 01:38:15 PM »
IMO the only template that's a bit of a letdown at Shoreacres is the Biarritz.  They're really not that similar courses Josh.  Shoreacres is a pretty unique property, not just in Chicago, but in Golf.
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Shane Wright

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #54 on: May 01, 2014, 02:25:30 PM »
Jeff - good idea for a topic.  I'll add a slight spin to my response and add my favorites for each of my previous and current main "home locations" since I have moved around a bit.

1. Topeka, KS - Shawnee Country Club - It's been 18 years but I played in several tourneys here growing up and loved the variety. It was a rare treat growing up in Topeka to get a chance to play classic style greens.  At the time, I had no idea of its connection with a famous architect.  As a side note, I was always turned off by Topeka CC and it's forced desire to be pretentious. If they haven't implemented a tree mgmt program since, it must be a raging forest by now.

2. Lubbock, TX - Shadow Hills GC - The Rawls Course had not been created yet, unfortunately.  So I had to seek out the lesser of all evils.  Sure there is Lubbock CC, Lakeridge CC, etc.  This is by no means a glowing recommendation for Shadow Hills if you are in the area (don't play anything else but Rawls).   However, Shadow Hills did have the firmest conditions I had ever played until meeting up with TOC for the first time.  It was an appreciation I didn't realize until many years later.  And I still maintain that #11 at Shadow Hills in one of my favorite par 5's I've played with an excellent combination of options and risk/reward.

3. Fort Worth, TX - Colonial CC - Although Bredemus is the name attached, Maxwell clearly had an influence and I believe he is one of the more underrated architects we discuss here.  I love Colonial's small greens.  It is a very fun course that allows one to play the ball around without too much difficulty. The rough will make it somewhat difficult to get it close on the small greens.  

3. Overland Park, KS - Hallbrook CC - I've always thought this could be a US Open venue if they decided they wanted one.  Many thought Fazio's original was just way too hard.  It probably was, but it sure was a blast to play.  It has been softened, but still holds the same strong elements on a good piece of property.

4. Columbia, MO - A.L. Gustin – A pretty good routing on a challenging piece of property.  This course is one that I really learned to love as I was able to play it dozens of times.  I often found myself agonizing over numerous decisions off the tee on no less than 7-8 holes.  To me, this is a something I have come to really appreciate in a golf course’s design.

5. Mendota Heights, MN – White Bear Yacht Club – It has been discussed numerous times.  I have heard it get “knocked on” before because of its overall length and a couple of short par 5 holes which are really par 4 ˝ holes.  Personally, I think it is kind of a stupid argument.  WBYC requires plenty of drivers off the tee.  It loses some yardage because of two short par 5’s and two or three shorter par 3’s.  What WBYC brings is individuality which ultimately equals really fun golf.  There are 4-6 places on the course of which one will never see on another course, anywhere.  Most can be found on the greens, but not exclusively.  It is a place that I will stop whatever I am doing to run and play whenever the opportunity comes up.


Josh Tarble

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #55 on: May 01, 2014, 02:50:23 PM »
Purgatory in Noblesville, IN
Ron Kern
Modern

Granted I haven't played it for a long while for various reasons.  But I think the unique challenge on each hole and the green complexes really are cut above anything else in the area.  It is an much easier walk than the Fort and I feel the course as a whole is a little more consistent than Trophy Club (which is a very close second in my mind).  I limited this to public courses because the privates I just don't have the ability to get on them enough to warrant including them in this.

Chris,
I agree that Purgatory is really good.  I think it's hard to look past a lot of the bunkering, but beyond the excessive bunkers, it's full of very solid golf holes.

Stephen Davis

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #56 on: May 01, 2014, 03:20:57 PM »
If we are going by distance as the crow flies, I think Colorado Golf Club would qualify. It is 55 miles driving. So I will list two, just to be safe.

1. Colorado Golf Club
Crenshaw/Coore
Modern

2. Broadmoor East
Ross/Jones
Classic???

Steve Lapper

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2014, 03:35:15 PM »
Somerset Hills & Plainfield CC.
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BHoover

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #58 on: May 01, 2014, 03:52:46 PM »
My favorite course within 50 miles of my home is:

Springfield CC
Donald Ross
Classic
It has a fantastic set of greens with lots of movement and slope.  Unlike many other courses in central Ohio, it also features some decent elevation changes. I also love that it drains exceptionally well and the superintendent is a big believer in F&F conditions. Finally, I love that it is easily walkable and features a few quirky holes.

(If I still lived with my parents, then I'd be able to pick Canton Brookside for exactly the same reason Becker stated earlier.)

Ash Towe

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #59 on: May 01, 2014, 04:01:00 PM »
Titirangi
MacKenzie
Classic with an outstanding renovation.

Superb club course with people who understood and looked after the original design.

Hopefully soon Tara Iti

Matt Bosela

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #60 on: May 01, 2014, 04:03:20 PM »
For me, despite Hamilton Country Club being closer by, I will drive to the very limit for Lookout Point CC
One of the more quirky and fun layouts in Ontario .... must use the ground to score ... and some great Travis greens
Throw in the best opening shot in Canada and I'm there

Ditto, except that Lookout is only 15 minutes away from me and Hamilton is the course at the far end of the 50 mile limit.

Lookout is phenomenal - if anyone finds themselves in the Niagara Region, I'd be happy to try to arrange a game for you at this Travis gem.
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2014, 06:08:19 PM »
Course: Peachtree Golf Club
Architect: Robert Trent Jones
Classic or modern: Classic
Why?: I love the ultra-private setting of the club.  I like the golf history embodied there with Bobby Jones, Robert Trent Jones' best course (arguably), the active members of the club involved in high levels of golf, former Walker Cup members.  It all works to set a serious golf vibe.  Then, you have a "mini-Augusta" type of course.  Great greens, interesting holes, and a secluded courses with an in-town location.


[Sidenote, Rivermont is a close second]
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2014, 08:23:44 AM »
Adam's tool shows me that only the 13th green at Goswick is within that 50 mile radius, so I guess I can't say Goswick.  In which case I'll have to say Seaton Carew.  I'm surprised at how close to being within 50 miles Ganton is but, sadly, it isn't.
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Carson Pilcher

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2014, 08:33:44 AM »
Course: Settindown Creek
Architect: Bob Cupp
Classic or modern: Modern
Why?: It was designed as a modern links-style course.  Different blends of grasses - however, every shot is tested.  There are safe routes and risky paths to the hole positions.  You must "think" your way around this course.

Jim Franklin

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #64 on: May 02, 2014, 09:18:11 AM »
Baltimore Country Club
Tillinghast
Classic
.5 miles away from home

If this course was in metro NYC, it would be top 20 in country.
Mr Hurricane

Jim Sherma

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2014, 09:24:59 AM »
Baltimore Country Club
Tillinghast
Classic
.5 miles away from home

If this course was in metro NYC, it would be top 20 in country.

Agreed - One of the great courses I have had the pleasure of playing. The way the course works its way around the property is absoloutely wonderful. Lunch on the veranda followed by a round on a great course and finally having drinks while hanging out in the adirondack chairs around the putting green after a round is really one of the special golf experiences one can have.

Steve_Lovett

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2014, 10:35:53 AM »
Course: Timuquana Country Club (Jacksonville, FL)
Architect: Donald Ross (1923)/Bobby Weed (1996-)
Classic/Modern: see 1923
Why?: No tee times, no housing, walking, setting, requires imagination, friends

Honorable Mention:
Course: TPC Sawgrass, Stadium
Architect: Pete Dye
Classic/Modern: still modern I suppose
Why?: Iconic, unique, can relate challenge to pro game

Joe_Tucholski

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #67 on: May 02, 2014, 06:19:42 PM »
Current Location:  Destin FL area for another 3 months
Classic Course: Eglin AFB Eagle
Architect: Originally Langford and Moreau but the course has evolved/devolved with time
Why:  From my perspective the course I choose to play most often should be my favorite course in the area.  Honestly I'm not aware of another course where I can go walk a round after work in under 3 hours for under 10 dollars.  While the course isn't manicured it is more than sufficient and there is some really interesting terrain, especially when compared with the flat courses in nearby Destin.

Some of the other favorites in my golfing life.

Location: West LA
Modern Course:  Rustic Canyon (it was just under 50 miles from home)
Architect: Gil Hanse
Why:  My intro to architecture.  Good walk, good greens and good value.

Location: Northern VA
Classic Course: Fort Belvoir Gunston
Architect: Robert Trent Jones
Why:  A good walk with rolling land and the common theme of a good value

Location:  CO Springs
Modern Course (1964):  US Air Force Academy Blue
Architect: Robert Trent Jones
Why:  I feel confident saying without the courses on campus I would not have finished my four years.  A much needed to place to de-stress.  The courses could have been flat, basic layouts and my answer would have still been the courses on campus.  Luckily the courses are scenic and interesting at the base of the Rockies.

Location:  Monterey CA
Classic Course:  Pebble Beach
Architect:  Jack Neville and Douglas Grant
Why:  I broke my rule on this one as Pebble wasn't the course I played the most.  I did manage roughly 10 rounds and volunteered at multiple events.  The course is in a spectacular setting, has history and some of the greatest shots in golf.  The course I played the most was owned by the Pebble Beach Co (Old Del Monte).

Location:  York ME
Classic Course:  York Golf and Tennis
Architect:  Donald Ross (brother Alex as the first Pro)
Why:  Really the course I learned to play golf on.  Looking back I was lucky to have such a great intro.  A relatively short course (under 6500 from the tips) with a couple of fun blind approaches.

Ed Homsey

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2014, 07:48:09 PM »
Great to see Lookout Point CC in southern Ontario get the nod.  Especially from someone who's opinions I greatly respect; Ian Andrew.  If I lived 50 miles west of Rochester, that would likely be my choice.  Short of that, my favorite is my home course, Stafford Country Club.  Another old Travis course that has not grown old to me in 40 seasons.

Ed 
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #69 on: May 03, 2014, 07:52:21 AM »
Ed:

That's two Travis courses I do not know anything about (Louisville CC was the other).


My own answer is Crystal Downs, which is 42 miles from my home.  I wish it was closer, but unfortunately, I go to the airport more than I go to Crystal Downs.

noonan

Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #70 on: May 03, 2014, 08:36:16 AM »
Blue Ash Golf Course.
Architect: Kidwell/Hurdzan
Modern or classic?  Modern
Why?  It's a municipal course that is always in good condition, has strategy all over the place, puts a premium on ball striking, has wonderful rolling terrain, great bunkering, undulating greens, and solid rates for walkers on a course of this caliber.  If this was a private club it would the most highly sought after membership in Cincinnati behind Camargo I believe.


This is a good one!

Joel Zuckerman

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #71 on: May 03, 2014, 08:44:11 AM »
Secession clocks in at 60 miles, so I will go with CCC, which is 45.

Chris DeNigris

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #72 on: May 03, 2014, 09:02:04 AM »
What I've learned from this thread-

1. Most of my favorite courses are within 50 miles of other people

2. I really need to move- preferably within 50 miles of Sanford, NC.

My favorite course within 50 miles just closed last year- Hershey Links.

Bob_Garvelink

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #73 on: May 03, 2014, 09:06:28 AM »
Yarrow Golf Club - 25 miles

Architect: Raymond Hearn

Course: Modern Course with some holes being wooded and others with a links feel

Why this course: northern Michigan feel with shorter par 3's

Greens:  some undulation but large enough shelves to easily hit it to the right tier.

Only knock:  cart only
"Pure Michigan"

Bob_Huntley

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Re: Your favorite course within 50 miles of your home
« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2014, 10:52:44 AM »


Pebble Beach
Cypress  Point
MPCC Dunes and Shore

In no particular order.

All less than fourteen miles.

Bob