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Ryan Coles

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2014, 01:14:47 PM »
A lot of you are missing the point. Of course club's haven't emulated Augusta's architecture. They haven't emulated Augusta at all, really.

There is plenty of scientific literature that discusses the innate human attraction to green vegetation. People liked green grass and tall trees long before Augusta existed, and before it was televised in color, and before it was televised in HD. They may cite Augusta when they talk about their love of green and trees, but don't confuse that with actual causation. Augusta isn't the reason that golfers love green grass and tall trees.

The Augusta Effect is a myth. And it's too bad, because if Augusta really did influence the retail golfer as much as we think, we'd be playing a game far more similar to the one this site so often sings the praises of. However, the fact that Augusta is such a widely accepted template of what a great golf course should be actually gives those who love strategic, firm and fast, classic golf a lot of ammunition. Rather than demonizing Augusta and telling our fellow club members that the course is overrated, we should instead be telling our fellow club members things like:

     - "Our bunkers are way too shallow - they're nothing like Augusta. Their bunkers are real hazards, like they're supposed to be."

     - "Our rough is way too thick - we should try to maintain it more like Augusta's."

     - "Our greens are much too receptive to long irons - we should try to get them firmer so that balls roll out and feed up and down slopes like at Augusta."

     - "Why do you want to flatten that green? Augusta doesn't have flat greens. Remember Tiger's chip at 16?"

     - "Why do we need six sets of tees? Augusta just has two."

     - "Our fairways are much too soft - we should try to firm them up like the ones at Augusta so that short hitters get some roll and big hitters run off into the trees when they miss."

Agree apart from the final point. Augusta's fairways don't appear to yield any run, unless on a huge downslope. In fact, they are mown in such a way as to thwart the ball running.

Garland Bayley

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2014, 01:15:11 PM »
Ben, Augusta didn't invent America's infatuation with white, bleached things. Bleached white flour has been around forever, and is more popular than whole grain unbleached. White granulated sugar has always been more popular than raw, unrefined, brown sugar. Bleached white eggs are more popular than brown eggs. White sand beaches were popular long before Augusta existed. Even white powder heroin is more popular than black tar or brown powder. Is that all Augusta's fault too?

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Son, step away from the keyboard!


I understand Garland. No one likes it when someone proves their perspective so obviously wrong. This must be very hard for you.

And red sports cars sell better than white one. And blue jeans sell better than white ones. When you push the extremes of ludicrous in your posts it is time to step away from the keyboard.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jason Thurman

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2014, 01:24:26 PM »
That's great Garland. It's good to hear that you're finally learning to recognize when you're making a fool of yourself. I'm very proud, and though I'm sure you'll be tempted to give me some, all the credit truly belongs to you.

Also, I LOL'd at your joke in the last post. I don't think Augusta allows blue jeans, but don't give them any ideas about bright red sand...
"There will always be haters. That’s just the way it is. Hating dudes marry hating women and have hating ass kids." - Evan Turner

Some of y'all have never been called out in bold green font and it really shows.

Aaron McMaster

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2014, 03:55:21 PM »
That's great Garland. It's good to hear that you're finally learning to recognize when you're making a fool of yourself. I'm very proud, and though I'm sure you'll be tempted to give me some, all the credit truly belongs to you.

Also, I LOL'd at your joke in the last post. I don't think Augusta allows blue jeans, but don't give them any ideas about bright red sand...

The Augusta syndrome is an overall maintenance effect.  It has nothing to do with architecture, did you see a blade of anything, weed, sand out of place, greens speeds were over the top for daily play...etc.  that is the Augusta effect.  Clubs have been chasing this to their detriment for years.  Augusta is Augusta can't we just leave it as it is.....not every place can be the magic kingdom.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2014, 04:04:12 PM »
That's great Garland. It's good to hear that you're finally learning to recognize when you're making a fool of yourself. I'm very proud, and though I'm sure you'll be tempted to give me some, all the credit truly belongs to you.

Also, I LOL'd at your joke in the last post. I don't think Augusta allows blue jeans, but don't give them any ideas about bright red sand...

The Augusta syndrome is an overall maintenance effect.  It has nothing to do with architecture, did you see a blade of anything, weed, sand out of place, greens speeds were over the top for daily play...etc.  that is the Augusta effect.  Clubs have been chasing this to their detriment for years.  Augusta is Augusta can't we just leave it as it is.....not every place can be the magic kingdom.

Aaron,

I would agree with you and add the following.

ANGC holds a Major every year and as such they prepare the course for the competitors and the viewers, such that the viewing experience, on site and on TV is outstanding.

Their contract with the networks allows them to invest in the event and that investment has led to the best televised event in sports.

They get it, their detractors don't


BHoover

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2014, 04:08:48 PM »
I did notice a few patches of what looked like poa on a few of the greens, such as #12.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2014, 04:11:54 PM »

I did notice a few patches of what looked like poa on a few of the greens, such as #12.

Some of the best putting surfaces in golf are poa.

What makes you think it was poa ?


BHoover

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2014, 04:13:37 PM »

I did notice a few patches of what looked like poa on a few of the greens, such as #12.

Some of the best putting surfaces in golf are poa.

What makes you think it was poa ?


I guessed.  How do you know it's not poa?
« Last Edit: April 14, 2014, 04:27:53 PM by Brian Hoover »

Jason Thurman

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2014, 04:24:22 PM »
Maybe the explanation could be that it is much easier to try to duplicate what we can see as opposed to reproducing the mufti-faceted aspects of the playing conditions and presentation. Said another way, without actually experiencing the turf conditions and ground contours, some may think that simply reproducing the look will take care of the playing characteristics.

That of course assumes that the "Augusta Effect" actually carries the weight that some assert. I'm not completely sure either way.

Matt, that makes a lot of sense to me. The next question I would have, then, is to wonder why people notice the things they notice at Augusta. How can the average club member miss the incredible suspense that comes when a ball hits the middle of the 7th or 2nd greens on Sunday and starts tracking, slowly at first, toward the hole? How can they miss the fun of watching a well-struck drive bound down the hills at 10 and 11?

Of course, we're genetically hardwired to love certain aspects of a course presented like Augusta, as I've mentioned through this thread so far. But as someone who hopes to be an evangelist for how much more fun golf becomes when played on the right course with the right maintenance meld, it sure seems like I'd rather make Augusta my ally than my enemy. I suspect people love Augusta because it's green with tall trees and white sand, which is not the same as loving green, tall trees, and white sand because of Augusta. But regardless of why people love it, their love for it is impossible to ignore. And if someone at my club loves Augusta, it really gives the perfect opportunity to open up a discussion with that person about how awesome it is when those balls start trickling toward holes and the cheers start getting louder, or how great it is to see that a course doesn't need super thick rough to challenge great players if it has width, firm conditions, and angles.



Aaron, I understand how people define the Augusta Effect. It's a convenient concept, but it's clearly based on reductionist thinking as it incorrectly attributes public attitudes about golf course maintenance to Augusta National Golf Club. Augusta isn't the reason people appreciate immaculate conditions. The immaculate conditions are the reason people appreciate Augusta.

I remain open to changing my mind as soon as someone can explain how Augusta inspired the "tapis vert" (translation: green carpet) written of at Versailles palace in the 1700s, or how it influenced the proliferation of the immaculate, short, green English lawn in the 18th century, or how Augusta inspired Abraham Levitt to write that "No single feature of a suburban residential community contributes as much to the charm and beauty of the individual home and the locality as well-kept lawns" in the 1940s, before color television brought the greenery of Augusta to our homes. It's really very obvious that our affection for green, well-maintained grass did not begin with Augusta National. Yet the Golf Architecture Illuminati insist that Augusta is to blame for many of modern golf's problems, and in doing so, they continue to undermine their own public credibility when discussing ideal golf course presentation and architecture. There's no quicker way to get fellow club members to tune your thoughts about golf courses out than to tell them how Augusta is doing it all wrong, and in fact, Augusta does so many things right that we could make huge waves at our own clubs if we could just uphold its virtues a bit more effectively.
"There will always be haters. That’s just the way it is. Hating dudes marry hating women and have hating ass kids." - Evan Turner

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Brent Hutto

Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2014, 04:26:33 PM »
Jason,

If you mention the term "Arts & Crafts" I will personally come give you a wedgie.

BCowan

Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2014, 04:41:50 PM »
Maybe the explanation could be that it is much easier to try to duplicate what we can see as opposed to reproducing the mufti-faceted aspects of the playing conditions and presentation. Said another way, without actually experiencing the turf conditions and ground contours, some may think that simply reproducing the look will take care of the playing characteristics.Are you going to re-build greens at existing golf clubs?[/color]

That of course assumes that the "Augusta Effect" actually carries the weight that some assert. I'm not completely sure either way.

Matt, that makes a lot of sense to me. The next question I would have, then, is to wonder why people notice the things they notice at Augusta. How can the average club member miss the incredible suspense that comes when a ball hits the middle of the 7th or 2nd greens on Sunday and starts tracking, slowly at first, toward the hole? How can they miss the fun of watching a well-struck drive bound down the hills at 10 and 11?Those aspects happen at many courses when the greens run 12+, come watch drives bounce down the #2 at UofM, it is a significant down slope, wow.

Of course, we're genetically hardwired to love certain aspects of a course presented like Augusta, as I've mentioned through this thread so far. But as someone who hopes to be an evangelist for how much more fun golf becomes when played on the right course with the right maintenance meld, it sure seems like I'd rather make Augusta my ally than my enemy.Please provide us with the maint costs for Augusta and then tell us how the everyday CC can emulate it?

 I suspect people love Augusta because it's green with tall trees and white sand, which is not the same as loving green, tall trees, and white sand because of Augusta. But regardless of why people love it, their love for it is impossible to ignore. And if someone at my club loves Augusta, it really gives the perfect opportunity to open up a discussion with that person about how awesome it is when those balls start trickling toward holes and the cheers start getting louder, or how great it is to see that a course doesn't need super thick rough to challenge great players if it has width, firm conditions, and angles. Have you ever been to a major?  When you have drastic slopes in greens and run them at 12+ (when they were designed for 8, you don't need rough!  



Aaron, I understand how people define the Augusta Effect. It's a convenient concept, but it's clearly based on reductionist thinking as it incorrectly attributes public attitudes about golf course maintenance to Augusta National Golf Club. Augusta isn't the reason people appreciate immaculate conditions. The immaculate conditions are the reason people appreciate Augusta. Immaculate conditions costs lots of money, remember they Masters brings in a lot of money and they can do that

I remain open to changing my mind as soon as someone can explain how Augusta inspired the "tapis vert" (translation: green carpet) written of at Versailles palace in the 1700s, or how it influenced the proliferation of the immaculate, short, green English lawn in the 18th century, or how Augusta inspired Abraham Levitt to write that "No single feature of a suburban residential community contributes as much to the charm and beauty of the individual home and the locality as well-kept lawns" in the 1940s, before color television brought the greenery of Augusta to our homes. It's really very obvious that our affection for green, well-maintained grass did not begin with Augusta National. Yet the Golf Architecture Illuminati insist that Augusta is to blame for many of modern golf's problems, and in doing so, they continue to undermine their own public credibility when discussing ideal golf course presentation and architecture.You pick and choose.  More lawns are going to tall fescue grasses that require less water.  Are you saying the Scots had it backwards?  Aussies?  Due to the heavy over seeding you don't have the option to play bump and runs, way to take out the low ball hitter.


 There's no quicker way to get fellow club members to tune your thoughts about golf courses out than to tell them how Augusta is doing it all wrong, and in fact, Augusta does so many things right that we could make huge waves at our own clubs if we could just uphold its virtues a bit more effectively.If destroying the design principles through over beautification and running up maint budget is your goal and you actually think that Augusta is sustainable, which is about the biggest laugh!  Do you know the costs of sub air?  underground heaters?  There is no quicker way to get a club in debt than to suggest being like Augusta.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2014, 05:01:10 PM by BCowan »

Patrick_Mucci

Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2014, 04:45:23 PM »

I did notice a few patches of what looked like poa on a few of the greens, such as #12.

Some of the best putting surfaces in golf are poa.

What makes you think it was poa ?


I guessed.  How do you know it's not poa?

I wasn't the one who declared it was, you were, and you declared so without knowing what the grass was.


BHoover

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2014, 04:56:15 PM »

I did notice a few patches of what looked like poa on a few of the greens, such as #12.

Some of the best putting surfaces in golf are poa.

What makes you think it was poa ?


I guessed.  How do you know it's not poa?

I wasn't the one who declared it was, you were, and you declared so without knowing what the grass was.


And your point is....?

By the way, CAN WE PLEASE STOP with the different colors?

Jason Thurman

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2014, 05:08:49 PM »
If destroying the design principles through over beautification and running up maint budget is your goal

It's not. You've clearly missed the point. Beautiful font though.
"There will always be haters. That’s just the way it is. Hating dudes marry hating women and have hating ass kids." - Evan Turner

Some of y'all have never been called out in bold green font and it really shows.

BCowan

Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2014, 05:14:11 PM »
If destroying the design principles through over beautification and running up maint budget is your goal

It's not. You've clearly missed the point. Beautiful font though.

No, haven't missed the point.  You are advocating more shaved areas around the greens, larger fairways.  All of which cost more money, but then you say it sustainable.  I do like the font too. 

Jud_T

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2014, 05:17:42 PM »
Jason,

If you mention the term "Arts & Crafts" I will personally come give you a wedgie.

Early nomination for post of the year....
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Bill Brightly

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2014, 05:37:28 PM »
Maybe the explanation could be that it is much easier to try to duplicate what we can see as opposed to reproducing the mufti-faceted aspects of the playing conditions and presentation. Said another way, without actually experiencing the turf conditions and ground contours, some may think that simply reproducing the look will take care of the playing characteristics.

That of course assumes that the "Augusta Effect" actually carries the weight that some assert. I'm not completely sure either way.



Of course, we're genetically hardwired to love certain aspects of a course presented like Augusta, as I've mentioned through this thread so far. But as someone who hopes to be an evangelist for how much more fun golf becomes when played on the right course with the right maintenance meld, it sure seems like I'd rather make Augusta my ally than my enemy. I suspect people love Augusta because it's green with tall trees and white sand, which is not the same as loving green, tall trees, and white sand because of Augusta. But regardless of why people love it, their love for it is impossible to ignore. And if someone at my club loves Augusta, it really gives the perfect opportunity to open up a discussion with that person about how awesome it is when those balls start trickling toward holes and the cheers start getting louder, or how great it is to see that a course doesn't need super thick rough to challenge great players if it has width, firm conditions, and angles.




I remain open to changing my mind .

OK, even though you seem pretty well set in your convictions, I'll take a shot a changing your mind.

First of all, August is nobody's enemy. The "enemy" is the mindset that the conditions at Augusta are a reasonable ideal for US country clubs (and perhaps high end daily fee courses) to pursue. The reality is that Augusta is UNIQUE. They hold an annual tournament that essentially produces enough revenue to have an unlimited grounds budget. Unless you belong to someplace like Muirfield Village, your club does not have that revenue stream. ANGC chooses to spend whatever it costs to present the course as we see it every April and I thank them for it, but it is the height of foolishness to suggest that our home clubs emulate the maintenace meld at ANGC.

Secondly, most of the extreme roll we witness on the television is the product of slope, not pure green speed. Few courses have the terrain change that ANGC has. If your club does not have it, terrain like that cannot be reproduced. In my experience, the average player truly confuses fast greens with contoured greens, and the television makes it much harder to know if the ball is rolling due to slope.

You are right that people love Augusta and they should. They DO love it because of how green it is, how beautifully the perfect white sand contrasts against the green, how beautiful the flowers and trees look, how there is hardly a blade of grass out of place (what's up with 12th green! :) ) and how superbly it tests the very best players in the world.  But all of this should be irrelevant when we set our clubs' Grounds budget and make decisions on how our course should be set up for member play.

Thirdly, what other clubs can set up their courses on the egde every year for a special event, then shut it down for the hot summer months?

Maybe you need a better model in your quest to be an evangelist. Perhaps Pinehurst #2?
« Last Edit: April 14, 2014, 06:07:46 PM by Bill Brightly »

JMEvensky

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2014, 05:59:34 PM »


OK, even though you seem pretty well set in your convictions, I'll take a shot a changing your mind.

First of all, August is nobody's enemy. The "enemy" is the mindset that the conditions at Augusta are a reasonable ideal for US country clubs (and perhaps high end daily fee courses) to pursue. The reality is that Augusta is UNIQUE. They hold an annual tournament that essentially produces enough revenue to have an unlimited grounds budget. Unless if you belong to someplace like Muirfield Village, your club does not have that revenue stream. ANGC chooses to spend whatever it costs to present the course as we see it every April and I thank them for it, but it is the height of foolishness to suggest that our home clubs emulate the maintenace meld at ANGC.

Secondly, most of the extreme roll we witness on the television is the product of slope, not pure green speed. Few courses have the terrain change that ANGC has. If your club does not have it, terrain like that cannot be reproduced. In my experience, the average player truly confuses fast greens with contoured greens, and the television makes it much harder to know if the ball is rolling due to slope.

You are right that people love Augusta and they should. They DO love it because of how green it is, how beautifully the perfect white sand contrasts against the green, how beautiful the flowers and trees look, how there is hardly a blade of grass out of place (what's up with 12th green! :) ) and how superbly it tests the very best players in the world.  But all of this should be irrelevant when we set our clubs' Grounds budget and make decisions on how our course should be set up for member play.

Thirdly, what other clubs can set up their courses on the egde every year for a special event, then shut it down for the hot summer months?

Maybe you need a better model in your quest to be an evangelist. Perhaps Pinehurst #2?

Nice post. It's always easy to tell who's been involved in making clubs' maintenance decisions versus those who haven't.

You really put MV in the "unlimited" camp? I have no knowledge nor have I ever played there--just curious.

Bill Brightly

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2014, 06:05:52 PM »
I have no idea about their budget, there is probably no club that comes close to the revenue that the Masters generates, but having an annual tournament with Jack's attached to it would have to produce significant annual income.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2014, 08:06:06 PM by Bill Brightly »

BCowan

Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2014, 06:14:58 PM »
JME,

    The practice tee at MV runs prob 7 on the stemp.  They have an international membership i believe and the course brings in lots of money.  They renovate the course all the time. 

Patrick_Mucci

Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2014, 08:31:50 PM »
When I first played Firestone, the tees were cut so low that they had cups cut in the back tees so that the Pros could practice putting while they waited during their practice rounds.

Pretty neat touch.

Bill Brightly is the seasoned, reasonable voice of experience, when it comes to conditioning and budgets at a local club.

Garland Bayley

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2014, 08:46:42 PM »
Jason,

In case you didn't understand Bill Brightly's post, he said step away from the keyboard son.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jason Thurman

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2014, 09:25:01 PM »
Garland, I agree with Bill. He didn't say a word that I disagree with.

I'm not saying our clubs should all aspire to look and play like Augusta National. I'm saying that when we try to be voices for firm and fast, resistance to flattening of green contours, and resistance to thick rough and narrowing, among many other things, it may be in our best interest to say things like "Augusta hasn't flattened their greens. Why should we?" There's simply no other club whose ideals carry as much legitimacy in the eyes of average member at our clubs.

Admittedly, I'm coming from a place of bias. I belong to a middle class 1923 classic parkland country club with bold greens and cool weather turf. I fight the battle against "Green at all costs!" at every Greens Committee meeting. I will never convince the other guys on the committee that Augusta isn't the ideal. My only chance is to convince them that Augusta-like conditions have more to do with firmness and options than with lushness and difficulty.




Ben, you make some good points with your last post. There are a lot of elements of classic design that cost money. Width isn't cheap, and while it's possible to save money by lowering inputs and getting firmer conditions, there comes a point of diminishing returns. You will notice that I've not once suggested clubs should install Sub-Air, pursue faster greens, or do more landscaping. I would, however, love for my club to cut some trees back to widen our playing corridors. We're currently a bit claustrophobic in spots, and I'd love to see big, regal, wide corridors (almost like Augusta!). Tree management costs money, but the hope would be that we can save a bit on maintenance costs thanks to improved airflow and attract more members and rounds to our instantly-improved course to make up the difference. It's foolish and naïve, but sometimes I believe it's possible.

On the flip side, we sometimes have talked about flattening two of our most severe greens. Both have lost quite a few pin placements and both funnel approach shots all over their surface, sometimes vexingly. I would hate to see those greens neutered. It will cost money and character, and erode some of the classic appeal of our course (which has barely changed since 1923 aside from a few trees and is one of William Langford and Theodore Moreau's most well-preserved designs). Pointing to the severe slopes at Augusta might just talk someone into reconsidering the idea that a putting surface that funnels an imprecise approach some 50 feet away from its target can be a good thing.
"There will always be haters. That’s just the way it is. Hating dudes marry hating women and have hating ass kids." - Evan Turner

Some of y'all have never been called out in bold green font and it really shows.

Tim Martin

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2014, 09:52:27 PM »

 I don't know where you live, but the grass at my home course is greener right now than the grass at Augusta was this week and we're yet to turn on the irrigation system this year.

The above quote by Jason is just the tip of the iceberg as to the hyperbole contained herein because if he travels far and wide over hill and dale by foot or horseback he won't find a golf course that is "greener" than ANGC this week. Pure horseshit. ::)
« Last Edit: April 14, 2014, 10:50:37 PM by Tim Martin »

Lou_Duran

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Re: If only the Augusta Effect was real...
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2014, 11:08:43 AM »
.  I am not so sure how much the "retail golfer" will enjoy that.   

I had hope that viewpoints were changing on this front but those hopes were seriously undermined on my recent visit to Palm Springs. 

La Quinta Mountain was unable to do their usual overseeding this winter because of some summer floods.  They were very apologetic about the condition of the course when we arrived.  The course had a perfect playing surface with colors ranging from brown to green.  I liked the condition of the course much better than many of the bright green options that were available.

Face it, you are an outlier.

There is difference with courses that cater to local/resident populations vs. those going after the tourist/snow bird trade.  Palm Springs may be different, but in Texas, even the best non-tourist courses don't overseed wall-to-wall.  This may have something to do with budgets, but probably more so with the tough transitions in the spring and fall when electing to overseed.

On the more important point, I am not confident that most golfers will accept F & F, particularly on parkland courses with limited room to gain width, and built-up greens which make the bump and run particularly difficult (in addition to reducing the amount of hang time on aerial approaches).  If courses are forced to do so because of water rationing and/or budget concerns, I fear further erosion in rounds played, though it may give a competitive advantage to those who are able to pull-off an acceptable maintenance meld (in north Texas for example, the two courses at Gleneagles CC would be extremely difficult in F & F conditions for nearly everybody, while Gentle Creek would be at least tolerable for the average golfer).   

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