Total nonsense
if this were the TPC there'd be GCA orgasms spewing
30 mph winds at Royal Portrush or Bethpage Black would produce the exact same results-except they would be walking back to the tees hitting three after countless 5 minute searches:
Amazing how the US Open produces the same scores with no weather and that's expected and applauded.
It's called the Blue Monster-not the pink kitten
a tough weather day, and the PGA can't fathom pacing the greens appropriately.
The weather has been predicted since monday.
As Mike Young says, the weekend will be more benign.
But even so, where does that leave the punter?
I wasn't terribly interested in making an effort to see Doral prior to this event and I am even less inclined to do so now.
Ciao
My guess is it leaves the punter in the same position as the punter at Portrush-filling every available tee time.
Your last sentence summarizes this thread (and the $450 Doral thread)
People that weren't interested in playing Doral, still aren't, or probably are even less so (but what's the difference? they're not coming anyway)
and people that WERE, are at least as interested if not more (and will line up to play it).
The criticisms about Doral for the last 20ish years were always that if the wind didn't blow that it was pretty benign course (and the scores reflected that), certainly not as "jazzed up" as say a TPC, Bay Hill, or ANY of the fly by night water laden, optionless Honda sites.
The same criticisms came from the media and hotel guests about the more pedestrian holes.
At TPC there is water penally in play on nearly EVERY hole, whereas at Doral it is least strategically placed as opposed to just punishing EVERY wayward shot. and Doral has way more width, except 10. and 18 for those who can't fly water-though 18 has more fairway than before
the unfortunate thing is that a lot of really good architectural improvements at Doral are being missed, or ignored, even by those smart enough to know better, by setup and weather. Yes there's a bit too much water in a couple places for my tastes-I wasn't that big of a fan of the course to start with-but a fan of the event.
One note:In many, many case the ball scurried across the slick greens,down a slope and into the water.
The drop was often right next to the green, and many players got up and down from that spot.
that's not much different than a really penal bunker or heavy rough.
Jeff
I would have thought those interested in tour stop golf were playing Doral before any splash of cash for a redo. In any case, the use of water is far too redundant for my tastes even if the design works well around the water (which I seriously question if there is wind). Its no different to me if these were bunkers rather than ponds; its question of variety. The stupidly high green fee is merely the crap on the cake ensuring I tick the no box. I will leave you to all the Doral soup you can stand, it doesn't suit my palate
Ciao
Sean,
Doral's price tag immediately eliminates from your consideration.
For that price tag, they can't present a subtle thoughtful test such as the one presented a mile away at Miami Springs for $35.
The average Doral customer wants glitz, bells, and whistles, particularly now that the hotel and grounds are a case study in Trumpishness.
I remember guests coming for lessons in their bathrobes from the spa.
It was never any different at Doral, just that the course was tired and more over the top destinations were getting all the attention.
It's a palm tree waving, glitzy throwback to the 60's featuring big, bold bunkers and frequent water hazards that originally begat the courses name. As i said, Hanse served many masters at Doral, not the least of which was serving the Wilson heritage of the place, and the childhood memories and dreams of a generation of high rolling, New York fast money, nightlife,beach weather,white sand,big spending, and palm tree loving high handicappers.
it was never the kind of place you and I would frequent as players, but Trump, in this case, knows his market.
I question whether this same clientele will fly all night to enjoy a links course in crappy weather in Scotland or Ireland-If you think Doral is unplayable for a high handicap, I can't even imagine a hack in the hay(can't wait for someone to chime in about wispy rough-an occasional weather and frequent maintenace occurrance) and pot bunkers in Aberdeen---in the wind and rain.
Kudos to Hanse for not trying to build that would serve a bunch of GCA nerds,require a public reeducation, and be a commercial disaster.
If I were hiring an architect to build a course as a business, not a labor of love, I'd want to hit my target market, and that's a certain type who doesn't flinch at a $1000 dinner check or a $450 green fee.
the good news is Hanse worked in a tremendous amount of width, and very interesting greens which TV just does not make clear.
I'd say Trump got exactly what he wanted out of this event.
Hanse doesn't need our unconditional approval, but his employer does need the spender's attention and atttendance