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Emile Bonfiglio

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Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« on: February 04, 2014, 07:10:11 PM »
After reading about the improvements made to the Philly Cricket Club by Keith Foster, "a Tillinghast golf course restoration specialist" over on Geoff Shack's site, I got thinking. In 60 years will there be a need for "Tom Doak, C&C, Hanse, Tiger Woods (that was for you, Joel) restoration specialist". Will the great courses of this golden age fall to the same fate as their ancestors and require the need for that sort of restoration? Does the technology and documentation we have now eliminate that need in the future?  Maybe we will be able to 3D Print a course down to exact replication? I can see all the ANGC clones tucked created in the sand dunes of the UAE right now.



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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2014, 07:13:46 PM »
Doak...he lives forever...the Chuck Norris of architects~
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2014, 07:36:00 PM »
I am hopeful that I will leave my courses well enough documented that they won't need major restoration, or at least that it will be pretty clear what our original intent was.

However, none of the courses have been mapped to the degree that they could be replicated by grading machines if they were to be changed.  And it is always up to the ownership whether changes happen over time!

Jud_T

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2014, 07:36:07 PM »
Perry Dye III
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Tom_Doak

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2014, 08:06:20 PM »
Perry Dye III

:)

Perry only has daughters, but I suppose if they have sons or grandsons someday, they will probably be golf course architects, too.

Carl Rogers

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2014, 08:09:12 PM »
Tom,
Riverfront may need some extensive bunker re-work ...... now.  Three bunkers that I know have been filled.
Greens are holding up well, but I think a bit over watered.
I decline to accept the end of man. ... William Faulkner

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2014, 06:31:49 AM »
Emile I'm guessing you don't drive a Model T Ford? Why do we want exact replication in 60 years time?
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Dan Smoot

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2014, 07:22:08 AM »
After reading about the improvements made to the Philly Cricket Club by Keith Foster, "a Tillinghast golf course restoration specialist" over on Geoff Shack's site, I got thinking. In 60 years will there be a need for "Tom Doak, C&C, Hanse, Tiger Woods (that was for you, Joel) restoration specialist". Will the great courses of this golden age fall to the same fate as their ancestors and require the need for that sort of restoration? Does the technology and documentation we have now eliminate that need in the future?  Maybe we will be able to 3D Print a course down to exact replication? I can see all the ANGC clones tucked created in the sand dunes of the UAE right now.


The great, great grandson of Robert Trent Jones.  He will lengthen the courses to 8300 yards, add significant trees lining the fairways, add unnatural water hazards, create well manicured long tee boxes and elevate all the greens.  He will be lauded for his revolutionary design using a back and forth routing of the golf holes where Hole No. 9 always finishes at the clubhouse.  Ah the cart paths.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2014, 07:46:51 AM »
Obviously, someone who hasn't even been born yet.  But, it will happen. All courses wear out, all courses have some features that prove to be less than desirable, and of course, tastes change.  If every gca ever has had it done, no reason to believe TD will stand out that much in history to avoid it.  In particular, wild greens have always seemed to get softened over time, and I figure his greens will be no exception. 

The real question for any golf course isn't who will restore it, its who will destroy it. Will it be a land lanner converting it to housing?  A park planner making it a park or environmental area?  In other words, I hope the trend towards course closings stops, and soon.

However, a related question, when will the Tom Doak Preservation Society form, and who will form it?  Probably right after the aforementioned changes above happen to one of his more popular courses, unless some current gca.com addict decides to do it right now.....so TD can attend the first meeting......
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Joe Sponcia

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2014, 07:54:55 AM »
After reading about the improvements made to the Philly Cricket Club by Keith Foster, "a Tillinghast golf course restoration specialist" over on Geoff Shack's site, I got thinking. In 60 years will there be a need for "Tom Doak, C&C, Hanse, Tiger Woods (that was for you, Joel) restoration specialist". Will the great courses of this golden age fall to the same fate as their ancestors and require the need for that sort of restoration? Does the technology and documentation we have now eliminate that need in the future?  Maybe we will be able to 3D Print a course down to exact replication? I can see all the ANGC clones tucked created in the sand dunes of the UAE right now.


The great, great grandson of Robert Trent Jones.  He will lengthen the courses to 8300 yards, add significant trees lining the fairways, add unnatural water hazards, create well manicured long tee boxes and elevate all the greens.  He will be lauded for his revolutionary design using a back and forth routing of the golf holes where Hole No. 9 always finishes at the clubhouse.  Ah the cart paths.

Birdie Dan.

With what came out of Mark Kings idea box a couple of weeks ago, I could totally see golfed dumbed down for the masses with only the snobby purists playing non-15 inch holes with what is now non-conforming equipment.  When I said that aloud to myself...I chuckled, but as a middle-aged guy of 41, I really fear the generation or two behind me.
Joe


"If the hole is well designed, a fairway can't be too wide".

- Mike Nuzzo

Bill_McBride

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Re: Who will restore Doak's work in 60 years?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2014, 03:15:01 PM »
Perry Dye III

:)

Perry only has daughters, but I suppose if they have sons or grandsons someday, they will probably be golf course architects, too.

.......but probably not named Dye.