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Ally Mcintosh

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Peter McEvoy as architect
« on: September 07, 2013, 06:29:26 PM »
I played a parkland course outside Dublin yesterday named Beaverstown. It was an Eddie Hackett course (1985) with redesign done by Peter McEvoy in 2000.

Bunkering and fairway mounding was uninspiring... But it had one of the greatest sets of greens I've seen on a modern inland course in GB&I. They were really on the edge. Use of internal mounds and huge run-offs all over. Most of each green I'm guessing seemed to be at 4% or over... They were a load of fun though...

I'm not sure I've seen a McEvoy (+ Craig Cooke) set of greens before... He co-designed Rathsallagh with Christy O'Connor Jr and I remember them being more feisty than Christy's usual work... I also recall that Jeff Howes was brought in to soften McEvoy's greens on the original Powerscourt course because the members disliked them... But I never saw the course pre-change... Perhaps they were unplayable at the speed they were running them...

Any others with experience of Peter McEvoy's design work?... Met him briefly at the World Forum in 2010 when he was our escort at the hickory 9 holer in Kingarrick... Full of passion... Seemed like a gent...

Ally

James Boon

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2013, 04:13:15 AM »
Ally,

I used to be a member at Horsley Lodge just north of Derby, for almost 20 years from when it opened in 1991. An interesting routing making great use of the rolling land and streams that crossed the former farmland, but generally uninspiring. That is until after around 8 or 9 years, in came Peter McAvoy to redesign the course.

He kept the routing pretty much as it was, with a few minor tweeks, re-contoured a couple of fairways, changed fairway bunkers and put in new tees, but the biggest change was the greens, which were also done with Craig Cooke. Each green was totally rebuilt and they are one of the most interesting set of greens I've ever played. The first has a false front hidden behind a bunker with a ridge running down the middle from front to back. The second had a big bite out of the left centre so you could almost "wall of death" a put around this to a back left hole location. The third was a big green with the back right portion as a much higher tier than the rest. The fourth a big back to front slope and a ridge running all the way down the middle from front to back... and so on!

The course plays about 6,400 yards and is relatively straightforward parkland but the holes can be tucked away in some interesting positions such that the first year the Derbyshire PGA event was played there, most pros were probably going into the bulk of the par 4s with a short iron and yet I think the winning score was a couple over. So thanks to a very interesting set of greens McAvoy turned a relatively dull course into probably one of the best in the County.

I met him briefly at the time and recall him as a nice guy, gentle character, but with a strong conviction for what he was going to deliver. I also recall he discussed widening a couple of fairways and adding centre line bunkers, with the narrower side giving the best angle in. These were never built but it certainly made an impression on me with my developing interest in golf course architecture at the time.

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James
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Jonathan Davison

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2013, 06:26:32 AM »
Ally,
I worked on the New Forest GC during construction a few years back, a Peter McEvoy project in Ireland. He or I think Ricky Willison produced a great set of sketches for the project ! The course had a good set of greens a few were a touch over the top but a lot of interesting contours. It had some really interesting holes, I thought the one area which let the project down was the routing a few sleeper holes within a very good site.
Mick McShane always spoke very highly of Peter McEvoy and thought he was one of the best architects he had worked with, I think this is a major compliment considering some of the architects Mick has worked with.
I am not sure Jeff Howes redid the greens at Powerscourt? Certainly not during my time with Jeff Howes. He redid the course at Fota Island which was originally designed by McEvoy & Christy. Interesting because the one green Jeff didn't redesign I thought was one of the best.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 08:17:08 AM »
Jonathan,

I keep on meaning to see New Forest as I've heard the usual mixed reports. I'll definitely be seeking it out after seeing the Beaverstown greens.

I know the Powerscourt East greens were softened - thought it was by Jeff but maybe not... I know of Jeff's work at Fota alright so maybe I'm mixing it up. The newer Powerscourt West (David Kidd) has some pretty big slopes as you would expect. If recession hadn't bitten, I wonder if the club would have been tempted there too... Always a sliver lining

Do you know how McEvoy works?... Presume he is just the concept with an associate for the detail and with no hands-on shaping / building?... Or is he more involved than that?

Ben Lovett

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2013, 08:43:37 AM »
Ally,
I was working for Craig Cooke on that project and several other McEvoy projects. Craig was the man on the ground with Ricky as the lead designer and Peter coming in to make a few teaks here and there.
There was a couple of talented shapers on that project Walter and Mark. It was a nice project to work on and an interesting site.
During that time we had just finished Donabate golf club in Mayo and were starting Edmonstown in south Dublin as well as Seafield in Gory.
I was also involved in Desert Springs, a desert style course in Almeria,Spain.  Bristol and Clifton and The Kendleshire in Bristol.
Craig gave me my first job in golf course construction when I worked the summer at Douglas golf club in Cork.
Regards
Benjamin Lovett

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2013, 11:23:58 AM »
Ally,
I worked on the New Forest GC during construction a few years back, a Peter McEvoy project in Ireland. He or I think Ricky Willison produced a great set of sketches for the project ! The course had a good set of greens a few were a touch over the top but a lot of interesting contours. It had some really interesting holes, I thought the one area which let the project down was the routing a few sleeper holes within a very good site.
Mick McShane always spoke very highly of Peter McEvoy and thought he was one of the best architects he had worked with, I think this is a major compliment considering some of the architects Mick has worked with.
I am not sure Jeff Howes redid the greens at Powerscourt? Certainly not during my time with Jeff Howes. He redid the course at Fota Island which was originally designed by McEvoy & Christy. Interesting because the one green Jeff didn't redesign I thought was one of the best.

I saw some of the original McEvoy greens at Fota. They were very, very severe.

The new sixteenth that Peter and Bruce Weller built at St Enodoc is terrific. The only downside is the walk back to 17 tee, which is a bit of a pain. But the green itself is good, and the site, at the bottom of a big dune, is wonderful.
Adam Lawrence

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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2013, 01:24:30 PM »
Ben,

That's really interesting...

So did the green plans belong to Ricky's hand or to Craig's?... And how closely were they followed in the field?

 Hopefully get to see the St Enedoc green next September, Adam... When you say Powerscourt were very, very severe, do you think they were too much?... Beaverstown greens were originally designed with bent but they've let the meadow grass take over... They were playing slow but they could be rendered ridiculous if someone wanted them to run a lot faster than they currently do...

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2013, 02:17:16 PM »
I had never heard of New Forest GC. When was it opened?

I spoke to Peter Nordwall last year and he mentioned something about being involved with McLay Kidd's father on a project in Ireland. I wonder if it was Powerscourt?

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2013, 06:43:47 PM »
Peter was the studio guest on Sky's coverage of the Walker Cup. He comes over as a  very nice chap, if a tad reserved. Not much in the way of a sense of humour in evidence. Maybe that's the difference between guys like him and me. Still be happy to buy him a beer though.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2013, 07:36:59 PM »
Peter was the studio guest on Sky's coverage of the Walker Cup. He comes over as a  very nice chap, if a tad reserved. Not much in the way of a sense of humour in evidence. Maybe that's the difference between guys like him and me. Still be happy to buy him a beer though.
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Jonathan Davison

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2013, 02:33:28 AM »
Donal,
New Forest GC is close to Tullamore and opened around 2005 if my memory is correct.

David_Tepper

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2013, 02:40:29 AM »
I enjoyed reading Peter McEvoy's autobiography For Love or Money a great deal. I don't recall much discussion of his GCA interests, but there were a lot of "inside the ropes" observations from his perspective as a player, Walker Cup Captain, etc.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Peter McEvoy as architect
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2013, 02:43:01 AM »
I enjoyed reading Peter McEvoy's autobiography For Love or Money a great deal. I don't recall much discussion of his GCA interests, but there were a lot of "inside the ropes" observations from his perspective as a player, Walker Cup Captain, etc.

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