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James Edwards

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GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« on: August 03, 2003, 06:28:14 PM »
Has the idea ever been discussed?  

If not, maybe we could start something?  

James
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ForkaB

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2003, 07:41:05 PM »
There was a mini "Not an Official"(m) GCA "Ryder" Cup 3-day event in Dornoch in May.  The US won 9-7.  A similar outing for next year is very possible.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2003, 08:42:54 PM »
Great idea! An "official" event would be outstanding. I give this two thumbs up!!
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David Wigler

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2003, 08:29:06 AM »
The official Ryder Cup is only seven miles from my beloved Plum Hollow net year.  If a large group is coming in for the match, I could certainly arrainge something.  Plum Hollow hosted a Ryder Cup and a PGA Championship and is a phenominal Match Play course.  It would be good for something like this.
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And I took full blame then, and retain such now.  My utter ignorance in not trumpeting a course I have never seen remains inexcusable.
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James Edwards

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2003, 08:52:57 AM »
David, Michael & Rich.

America vs Europe (possibly Rest of the World).

I would initially say that the proposed GCA Ryder Cup matches should be staged at the respective Ryder Cup courses, but then again, the £/$ might factor into the equation.

I can't see any reason why we couldn't go elsewhere and maybe play a different course for each of the days?

I'm sure there are some fine alternatives in both countries  ;D

Can I be so bold as to start the selction process on this forum?  If we start getting responses, I will note the teams down.  I suppose 12 a side would be ideal but, maybe in reality that might be difficult.  

Looking to play the Official matches in say late 2004/early 2005?  Course suggestions please.

So, For the Europeans/Rest of the world

James J.S. Edwards

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THuckaby2

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2003, 09:31:36 AM »
The issue might not be getting 12 for the US side, but deciding which 12 get to represent us.  The qualifying ought to be cut-throat.

That being said, consider me IN for this whenever, wherever, so long as it's not in the next month.   ;) Hell of a good idea.  Let me know if any assistance is needed with planning/organizing... Our little "unofficial" gigs (The King's Putter) at Barona in 02 and Pasatiempo/Pajaro in 03 went very well, I must say.

TH
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David Wigler

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2003, 09:58:50 AM »
James,

Small logistical issue, the US Ryder Cup courses are private.  I know we have one very infrequent poster who is a member of Oakland Hills but I cannot fathom how he could get 24 guests on his course.  Plum is a much better option (Hosted the '43 Ryder Match).
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And I took full blame then, and retain such now.  My utter ignorance in not trumpeting a course I have never seen remains inexcusable.
Tom Huckaby 2/24/04

Dan Kelly

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2003, 10:11:01 AM »
Quote from: Tom Huckaby on August 04, 2003, 09:31:36 AM
The issue might not be getting 12 for the US side, but deciding which 12 get to represent us.  The qualifying ought to be cut-throat.

What are the qualifications?

Number of posts?

Quality of posts?

Number of scores posted over the past two years (if any)?

I volunteer to be the (Playing) Captain for the U.S. side, to make the requisite Solomonic decisions about these dicey matters.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2003, 10:20:25 AM »
I think restricting it to 12 a side is, uh, restrictive.  Like the King's Putter, allow as many to play as can come and split up the teams in some kind of manner, with a few switching sides to balance things out.  Handicaps preferred so matches are fairer or match people up with similar handicaps.  Anchor with the pros facing off.
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THuckaby2

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2003, 10:25:21 AM »
Obviously it would have to be based on number of posts.

Securely,

TH
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david h. carroll

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2003, 10:32:31 AM »
how about over 40 vs. under 40??!!
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ForkaB

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2003, 10:45:05 AM »
As an American living in Scotland I reserve the right to play for whichever team is most likely to win and/or offers me the most appearance money.  Captain Kelly, the ball is in your court.......
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Dan Kelly

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2003, 11:49:01 AM »
Quote from: Rich Goodale on August 04, 2003, 10:45:05 AM
As an American living in Scotland I reserve the right to play for whichever team is most likely to win and/or offers me the most appearance money.  Captain Kelly, the ball is in your court.......

The ball is in my court? What game are we playing here?

I'm sorry to report that we patriate Americans do not offer "appearance money." (Ironic, no, in a land obsessed with appearances?)

On the other hand, we are WINNERS through and through. (Just ask us!)

So, Rich, you are most welcome to play on the American team -- provided you promise not to use any of those quaint Scottish expressions of yours, which would threaten to disrupt our fierce American concentration!

Capt. K.
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THuckaby2

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2003, 11:51:22 AM »
I love the age-based idea also.  It will be fun to teach the youngsters a thing or two.  ;)

TH
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david h. carroll

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2003, 11:52:43 AM »
3/12/70 for me....bring it on old man!! ;D
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THuckaby2

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2003, 11:59:52 AM »
HeeHeeHee....

I am quite ancient.  But I will be the young lion on our grizzled squad!

TH
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ForkaB

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2003, 12:55:33 PM »
Capn. Dan

One of those quaint Scottish expressions you like so much is "money."  As we have little of the real thing over here, we broaden its use to include all sorts of "in kind" emoluments--courtesy cars, free range balls, twofers at the local Hungry Heiffer, on-call Swedish Masseuse, etc.  Ask Huckaby about the package he gave me to play on the NorCal team in the inagural King's Putter..............

If the "money's" enough, I'll play tough!

Rich
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Dan Kelly

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2003, 01:03:35 PM »
Quote from: Rich Goodale on August 04, 2003, 12:55:33 PM
If the "money's" enough, I'll play tough!

You're starting to sound like Johnnie Cochran! (Isn't he SoCal?)

(Just tryin' to get my post count up in the Huckaby range, in case that turns out to be the vital criterion.)
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THuckaby2

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2003, 01:12:48 PM »
Rich:

SHHHHH!  We want to keep your amateur status intact, not to mention my integrity as former captain.   ;)

TH
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James Edwards

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2003, 03:03:31 PM »
The Americans will play against the Europeans / Rest of the World.

Much greater banter and team bias on the day of the matches and on the evenings prior in the restaurants.
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James Edwards

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2003, 03:07:13 PM »
Calling all Europeans / ROTW playing off +3 and better....!

and calling all Europeans / ROTW who have the chat....!
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Michael Whitaker

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2003, 10:03:43 PM »
I also vote for US vs ROTW. And, should I be so fortunate as to qualify ;D, I'm ready to play any time, any place!

Personally, I'd like to see the first set of matches take place in Scotland... so we can "study" the true classics up close and personal.
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ian

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2003, 10:41:08 PM »
As an Englishman transplanted to Canada, I would be proud to represent the side. :)
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James Edwards

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Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2003, 04:08:33 AM »
Michael & DCarroll, forgive me but which sides are you eligable for?  

As Far as I can see:

USA  :-\

Mr Scott Burroughs
Mr Tom Huckaby
Mr Rich Goodale
Mr Dan Kelly

ROTW  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mr James Edwards (ENG)
Mr Ian Andrew (ENG)


Michael - I think that is a fine idea for the first GCA Ryder Cup Matches.            
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ForkaB

Re:GCA Ryder Cup Matches
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2003, 04:32:43 AM »
James et. al.

To be less flip than in my previous posts, let me say that I think this is a great idea.  Let me also give some advice, based on my experience in a couple of similar events.

1.(and 2., 3., and 4.)  Events such as these do not organise themselves, nor can they/will they be organised by a committee.  The secret to success is getting somebody with time, determination and passion to step up to the plate and take charge, ASAP!  The first King's Putter would probably never have taken place if Ed Getka had not grasped the nettle of responsibility and established dates and venues for others to follow.  Somebody, ANYBODY, do this for this concept!  Please.

5.  Official GCA "sponsorship" would be preferable, but it is not essential.  While many of us would like to see whether "Ran Morrissett" actually exists, or is just a Laura Croft-like cyber creation, these sorts of events can flourish without his active participation.

6.  The idea of holding this at the actual Ryder Cup venues is noble, but flawed.  For one thing, trying to get 24+ aficionados onto Oakland Hills, for example, for a 3-day golf and beverage fest is a bit ambitious, to say the least.  Sure, we might be able to buy our way into one of the future EU venues (KClub, Celtic Manor, PGA-Gleneagles) but who wants to travel thousands of miles to play golf on architecturally barren courses where the cart girls are wearing wooly jumpers?

7.  For the inaugural event, the UK/Ireland is preferable for a venue, if only for the reason that it is far more likely that you will get large quantitites of GCA people to travel eastward than westward.  The fact that the golf (adn the GCA) over here is better is just a bonus..........

The Bottom Line

a.  Somebody grasp the nettle.  We need a dictatorial supremo (or a duumvirate--US and ROW), and we need him/her/them now!

b.  Find a venue, set a tentative date, float it on this DG, and see what happens

c.  What will happen will be historic.

Cheers

Rich

PS--If it is decided that Scotland is the place for this quasi-inaugural event, I will be very happy to help any Supremo(es) in terms of venues, other logistics, etc., as best I can.  However, Shermanesquely, if I am nominated for supremo, I shall not run, and if elected, I shall not serve.  Ou est les Getkas d'aujourdui?
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