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William_G

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Amanda has the best architecture this week, yet OH can grow thick rough under trees or out in the open
It's all about the golf!

John Kavanaugh

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I was more bothered by the unnecessary oohs and aahs on close putts. I have never seen such a level of fake sincerity.

Bill Gayne

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I would like to think a PGA site could only get better after Oak Hill but I'm not real hopeful. We've seen Valhalla a couple of times before.

Hopefully all the baba booey knuckleheads will stay at Oak Hill.

Dufnering will be replaced by the post victory ass grab on the PGA Tour and club championships everywhere.

John Kavanaugh

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When you by a home in upstate NY does it come with the boat in the yard?

Steve Kline

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Between all the commercials and Furyk's repeated back offs I could barely tolerate watching the last 6 holes, which is the only part of the weekend I watched thankfully. Golf needs to invent a shot clock just so I don't have to watch Furyk anymore.

John Foley

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Did Oak Hill identify the best player this week? Absolutely! Very happy to see Dufner win.

To say the course played soft is an understatement.

To those who have never played it - the course is a great test. Sure it has some significant flaws there but there is an abundance of great architecture out there. Over time the membership has made changes to the course to, as they believe, ensure the course can deliver the challenge the best players in the world need. Its their right. Just as it's some folks right to express their opinion of the course & tournament.

The golf fans in Rochester should be proud. What you saw on the grounds this week was not what you heard from a few ya-hoo's trying to get there rocks off when the cameras rolled.
Integrity in the moment of choice

John Kavanaugh

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The members of Oak Hill own the behavior of their guests on the property.

Jason Thurman

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I would like to think a PGA site could only get better after Oak Hill but I'm not real hopeful. We've seen Valhalla a couple of times before.

Hopefully all the baba booey knuckleheads will stay at Oak Hill.

Dufnering will be replaced by the post victory ass grab on the PGA Tour and club championships everywhere.

Has Valhalla ever produced a tournament that wasn't excellent? I get that it may not be on the level of Pinehurst from the standpoint of an architecture nerd, but it has a lot of heroic shots that present some real drama in a pro tournament. I may be biased since I grew up less than a mile from the course, but I know I'll watch more than the 20 minutes I watched this year. Oak Hill is just so one-dimensional that it produced a horrendously boring tournament.
"There will always be haters. That’s just the way it is. Hating dudes marry hating women and have hating ass kids." - Evan Turner

Some of y'all have never been called out in bold green font and it really shows.

John Foley

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The members of Oak Hill own the behavior of their guests on the property.

Wrong - It was not Oak Hills guests - it was the PGA's
Integrity in the moment of choice

Peter Pallotta

I found it interesting - last week, tree-lined and tight Firestone had Tiger winning for the 8th time and by a big margin; this week, another tree-lined and tight course, but it produced a much different and more interesting result.  There's a lot of architecture at OH.

Peter

Jud_T

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It was certainly the most perfectly named course to host a major this year...
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Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

John Kavanaugh

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The members of Oak Hill own the behavior of their guests on the property.

Wrong - It was not Oak Hills guests - it was the PGA's

I do not agree.  Oak Hill did not sell its soul without considerations. It would have been simple to include a clause where disruptive ticket holders were dismissed. The members of Oak Hill obviously see this as a nonissue. So, therefore they own it. It is a direct reflection on their values as golfers and citizens. This is no different than tolerating boorish behavior from a guest at your house, or if it makes you feel better, a paying guest at your hotel.

Jud_T

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Just fast-forwarded through the round and solely watched Dufner's shots.  (Furyk is simply too painful in real time).  Dufner just put on what has to be one of the best exhibitions of pure ball striking ever.  He not only drove it on a string, he literally almost hit the mowing stripe down the middle on virtually ever hole.  His short irons were laser like as well.  I find it hard to believe that Hogan ever hit it better.  Regardless of what you thought of the course or the setup, it was quite a demonstration from Jason.
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

jeffwarne

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If Hogan or Nicklaus had won, they'd be singing OHs praises.
How would Muirfield have been any different if they had a summer like the last  5 five, rather than a heat wave and drought
When I played there with a 14

handicap, he lost at least a dozen balls-
The only strategic thought that entered my mind was to take him back to North Berwick
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Bill Shotzbarger

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Was I watching the same tournament as you guys?

The leaderboard was stacked with talent - most of the usual suspects, and by suspects I mean ball-strikers. Cream rises to the top. Greens in regulation and a hot putter is the way to win majors.

Of course the baba booeys and mashed potatoes were annoying as hell, but is there anything we can do about it? To compare fans in Rochester to those at Bethpage just because they're both in NY state doesn't make much sense. Oak Hill is closer to Merion than Bethpage, last time I checked.

Brad Klein

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There was not a single landing area 30 yards wide, most were 24-26.

The OH praise came from Ian Baker-Finch, who usually knows better.

All of Ross' cross-bunkering was removed. There was not a single bunker with less than a second cut of rough around it. There was not a single bunker where the ball would roll into it; it had to land in there on a fly or the first bounce. None of the greens close to water are Ross; all are the Fazios (5,6,15); the 18th green was originally 25 yards closer to the clubhouse; the Fazios move it forward to just above the green wall. The shaved down bank on the 5th hole -- w/o question the cheesiest element of the course - was not a design feature of either Ross, Jones or the Fazios but introduced this year by the PGA's Kerry Haigh.

Ronald Montesano

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I suppose that I can put up with the offal that members of this board continue to produce.

I hope that no other course is subjected to such relentless haranguing. It's like watching parents boo a kid at a little league game.

Inbreeding has been proven to be an unsuccessful alternative.

Bravo, Oak Hill. Bravo PGA of America. Bravo, Jason Dufner.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Sam Morrow

I suppose that I can put up with the offal that members of this board continue to produce.

I hope that no other course is subjected to such relentless haranguing. It's like watching parents boo a kid at a little league game.

Inbreeding has been proven to be an unsuccessful alternative.

Bravo, Oak Hill. Bravo PGA of America. Bravo, Jason Dufner.

Ron,

 I didn't see anything on this course that got me excited but I enjoyed watching it. Don't worry to much, if you read what is said on this site the people who run tournaments never do anything right.

William_G

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loved it that Jason won, as part of redemption for 2011 in Atlanta

no course better exemplified the need for shot tracker one every shot to best portray the shot making that occurred

why not shot tracker for every shot?
It's all about the golf!

Matthew Rose

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I suspect more people are upset with the setup than they are with the golf course itself.

I think that's a fair criticism.

I have no problem with Oak Hill at all, but I do have a problem with chip it out golf, regardless of the venue. Chip it out golf sucks to watch and sucks to play.

I also think Dufner clearly deserved to win.

American-Australian. Trackman Course Guy. Fatalistic sports fan. Drummer. Bass player. Father. Cat lover.

Gary Slatter

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Other than the stupid fans yelling (why let them know where the mics are?) Oak Hill presented a superb PGA MAjor Championship, shotmakers were rewarded.  Our site seems to dislike classic American courses, which is really too bad IMHO because they continue to remain in their own "dark ages".   We don't use persimmon anymore, our equipment is made in China, can't we still love our North American courses?
Congrats to the PGA, Oak Hill  and a fine winner!  If you found this boring you all need a life, and change your "game".
My final comment, all the best amigos!
Gary Slatter
gary.slatter@raffles.com

mike_beene

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It is nice to see ball striking and not putting win for a change.I am ok with the rough by the fairways, but the rough around the greens takes away one if golfs skills and makes the short game a crap shoot

David Lott

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18th hole is great evidence of what a stupid course Oak Hill is. 500 yards par 4 to a green with no chipping area and punitive rough surrounding. "Target golf" at its worst. It's hard no doubt but there's only one way to play it and little chance to recover from a mistake.
David Lott

Matthew Rose

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I like classic American parkland courses. I suspect a lot of people here do too, actually.... when they are left alone or otherwise renovated sympathetically.

I think the issue is the changes made for the sake of "difficulty" that compromise the integrity of the originals. There's nothing wrong with toughening up a few holes, but the lack of subtlety in the way Oak Hill (and to a similar extent, Inverness) were overhauled tends to rub some people the wrong way. The mismatch in styles makes for a schizophrenic looking course.
American-Australian. Trackman Course Guy. Fatalistic sports fan. Drummer. Bass player. Father. Cat lover.

Tim_Cronin

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I happened to be at Oak Hill on the day in 1998 Sergio Garcia and Matt Kuchar played their epic quarterifinal match. Great fun, and a fascinating course. It seems to me the fairways have been narrowed some since (besides the other changes). This might have been a more lively PGA had the fairways been widened instead and the rough less deep, to see if players could negotiate trouble shots after they had figured out which trouble shot to play. On 18, I'd bet a dollar that where Lee Trevino hit from the fairway in 1968 is rough today.

I could do without the big rocks along every creek. Looks like a Florida housing development.

I managed to only doze off once while watching on Sunday, for a few moments just before the leaders teed off, compared to twice on Saturday. The thrill of a final round!

Idiot shouting goes back to the 1990 Masters, when (gasp!) the phrase "You The Man!" arrived on the weekend. One guy, just a few shouts. Now, he's got kids. The solution? Take all those "photo enforcement" security guards charged with making sure nobody takes a picture with their iPhone and have them eject the shouters instead. They watch the gallery during play. If they can spot a phone camera at 30 yards, they should be able to ferret out a drunk shouting at the top of his lungs. Start throwing them out, and the problem is solved in a day or so.
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