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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2013, 10:32:22 AM »
Why is Opera season in the winter?  Is this a golf thing?

Mike Sweeney

Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2013, 10:52:41 AM »
Why is Opera season in the winter?  Is this a golf thing?

It just goes to the beach like everything else in the summer:

http://www.operaofthehamptons.org/

Have you ever see the ocean or been on a beach ?

This has all the makings of a Direct TV commercial.

1. Jaka spends three weeks with the intellectuals of the Upper East Side and the Hipsters of Chelsea.

2. Jaka goes back to Southern Indiana and decides to "make a difference".

3. Jaka quits golf and runs for US Congress......

What is next ?

Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2013, 11:26:16 AM »
 4. Don't end up a Congressman. Play golf when you come East.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2013, 11:42:04 AM »
I'm afraid that if I ever did golf out east it would temper the deep affection that I have for its peoples.  I have never felt so welcome anywhere in my life.

noonan

Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2013, 02:34:01 PM »
I am 50 - and play much less than I did from 30-45.

I am glad I played a lot of golf in those years.

My body would not allow 5 or 6 rounds a week now.

Looking back those were happy times spend with great friends.

Much of golf is about the time spent with friends.

Mike Sweeney

Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2013, 05:55:55 PM »
 I have never felt so welcome anywhere in my life.

Who broke into John's account?

John,

After two weeks in Manhattan, are you telling us that you have not encountered any cell phones users (talking) in any elevators?

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2013, 07:47:58 PM »


It's not pretty, is it?

I've considered it............. As recently as today  ;D


Pat Burke

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2013, 11:17:01 PM »
John,
Great is a <<<sttrrretttchhh>>>>

But for me, there are many reasons.
I put heart and soul for many years trying to learn how to compete
at level that would reach my goals.
Injuries, health issues and bureaucracy battles left a sour taste in my mouth.

When I play now, I have a hard time NOT seeing the shot I used to hit pretty easily.
And a harder time not expecting to hit that shot.
It isn't fun to play (what I feel) badly

I do love helping players play better and learn though

Bill_McBride

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2013, 01:47:49 PM »
Ahh... that explains the photo with Sweeney.

My wife clued me into the fact that I should wear "real clothes" when away from the course. After losing 30lbs I find it much easier to untuck. Before I felt I looked like someone just trying to hide the lard.

I guess that explains why you were looking so dapper last week.  Well done sir!

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2013, 02:42:58 PM »
I have not read all the threads but one alarming item hit me like a ton of bricks whilst reading the first couple..
Do we raeely ...golf????
What the hell is that, it certainly is not the Englaish language, especially when written by somebody so very critical of others ;)

We play Golf..we do not golf...Golf is a noun not a verb, at least not in English.
Next I will be reading about traps,and tracks instead of courses. it will be like listening to the Golf Channel. :'(
I will yield some as the writer is not English but American and as such perhaps the same rules do not apply.
Sorry JK simply could not resist the dig.
mwp

Jason Thurman

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2013, 03:04:14 PM »
Michael, that's ridiculous. Every English dictionary with which I'm familiar lists the word "golf" as both a noun and a verb. Who was the first pretentious ass to climb on the "golf is not a verb" high horse, and why was anyone stupid enough to try and ride with him?

I once took 9 months off from playing and thought for a while I'd never play again. My fashion sense improved dramatically, but after six months of Wisconsin winter it sounded pretty nice to be outside smashing stuff with a stick again.

The funny thing is that young and stylish guys are starting to tuck again now that old guys are starting to untuck. For some, every step toward the trend is a step away from the trend. I'm sure there will be a golf architecture movement in about 20 years that goes away from width and strategy and back toward narrow and heroic. I just hope Victoria National doesn't approve a master plan two years before that involves doubling the width of the fairways and chopping back all those native areas. If we just wait long enough, we're all both antiquated and ahead of our time.
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Andrew Buck

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2013, 03:24:00 PM »
Michael, that's ridiculous. Every English dictionary with which I'm familiar lists the word "golf" as both a noun and a verb. Who was the first pretentious ass to climb on the "golf is not a verb" high horse, and why was anyone stupid enough to try and ride with him?

I once took 9 months off from playing and thought for a while I'd never play again. My fashion sense improved dramatically, but after six months of Wisconsin winter it sounded pretty nice to be outside smashing stuff with a stick again.

The funny thing is that young and stylish guys are starting to tuck again now that old guys are starting to untuck. For some, every step toward the trend is a step away from the trend. I'm sure there will be a golf architecture movement in about 20 years that goes away from width and strategy and back toward narrow and heroic. I just hope Victoria National doesn't approve a master plan two years before that involves doubling the width of the fairways and chopping back all those native areas. If we just wait long enough, we're all both antiquated and ahead of our time.

Yep, I pretty much take off mid-September to mid-May every year, and it pretty much stinks. 

And the tuck is definitely coming back, however it's coming back with slim-fit, so I really need to get rid of those remaining lbs.

David Davis

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2013, 03:30:39 PM »
John,

I'm sorry for your loss. I fear detaching oneself from a limb may be easier plus provide a valid excuse.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and offer to make your life and your detachment process so much easier and free flowing. I will gladly help you by taking care of your multiple golf club memberships so as to allow you to simply relax and not fall pray to the evil temptation they represent in your life.

New South Wales is worth a visit.

I'm happy to be of assistance.
Sharing the greatest experiences in golf.

IG: @top100golftraveler
www.lockharttravelclub.com

Michael Whitaker

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2013, 04:58:38 PM »
Michael, that's ridiculous. Every English dictionary with which I'm familiar lists the word "golf" as both a noun and a verb. Who was the first pretentious ass to climb on the "golf is not a verb" high horse, and why was anyone stupid enough to try and ride with him?

I once took 9 months off from playing and thought for a while I'd never play again. My fashion sense improved dramatically, but after six months of Wisconsin winter it sounded pretty nice to be outside smashing stuff with a stick again.

The funny thing is that young and stylish guys are starting to tuck again now that old guys are starting to untuck. For some, every step toward the trend is a step away from the trend. I'm sure there will be a golf architecture movement in about 20 years that goes away from width and strategy and back toward narrow and heroic. I just hope Victoria National doesn't approve a master plan two years before that involves doubling the width of the fairways and chopping back all those native areas. If we just wait long enough, we're all both antiquated and ahead of our time.

Only compete dorks and Mucci Morons use the word Golf as a verb. Do you tennis? Do you basketball? Do you chess? Hell no.
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Bill_McBride

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2013, 05:03:26 PM »
Michael, that's ridiculous. Every English dictionary with which I'm familiar lists the word "golf" as both a noun and a verb. Who was the first pretentious ass to climb on the "golf is not a verb" high horse, and why was anyone stupid enough to try and ride with him?

I once took 9 months off from playing and thought for a while I'd never play again. My fashion sense improved dramatically, but after six months of Wisconsin winter it sounded pretty nice to be outside smashing stuff with a stick again.

The funny thing is that young and stylish guys are starting to tuck again now that old guys are starting to untuck. For some, every step toward the trend is a step away from the trend. I'm sure there will be a golf architecture movement in about 20 years that goes away from width and strategy and back toward narrow and heroic. I just hope Victoria National doesn't approve a master plan two years before that involves doubling the width of the fairways and chopping back all those native areas. If we just wait long enough, we're all both antiquated and ahead of our time.

Only compete dorks and Mucci Morons use the word Golf as a verb. Do you tennis? Do you basketball? Do you chess? Hell no.


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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2013, 05:13:56 PM »
Its like I said earlier, I hate the game to lowered into the world of ebonics.
I believe in no jeans at country clubs, takinf off ones hat in the clubhouse , just the little things that ake the game different.
I have had my issues within the game that did not respect the game and dealt with them, but I hate the Golf Channel calling courses tracks, unless they deserve the title and no course they are commenting on is a track, that is what dogs and horses run on!!!


I dont consider myself a golfing snob, just one who wants to keep some etiquette in the game.

Jason Thurman

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2013, 09:46:52 PM »
Only compete dorks and Mucci Morons use the word Golf as a verb. Do you tennis? Do you basketball? Do you chess? Hell no.


I don't, but I cycle and camp and fish and hunt. I also write and have two degrees in English. What's your point?

I don't like the word pastry, but I don't get to make up rules and pretend that it's not part of the English language. Seriously, who's the authority for claiming that "to golf" isn't a verb? Melvyn? Personally, I'll stick with the conclusion of literally every dictionary in the English language.
"There will always be haters. That’s just the way it is. Hating dudes marry hating women and have hating ass kids." - Evan Turner

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Jeff Shelman

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2013, 11:34:05 PM »
I step back from playing golf every winter.

I usually make a trip to see my parents in Phoenix at some point in December and I will play a few rounds. When I get back, the clubs go in the basement and they usually stay there for about two months.

I don't hit balls, I don't play simulator golf, I simply shut it down.

By late February, I'm totally fired up to play again. I start by going to a dome or heated driving range and then get back into it. By the time mid-March arrives, I'm so ready to get back on the golf course.

I wish the break was shorter, but I do think that a break can be good for you.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2013, 12:29:59 AM »
Only compete dorks and Mucci Morons use the word Golf as a verb. Do you tennis? Do you basketball? Do you chess? Hell no.


I don't, but I cycle and camp and fish and hunt. I also write and have two degrees in English. What's your point?

I don't like the word pastry, but I don't get to make up rules and pretend that it's not part of the English language. Seriously, who's the authority for claiming that "to golf" isn't a verb? Melvyn? Personally, I'll stick with the conclusion of literally every dictionary in the English language.

I'll go with Jason's analysis....
Also, on the other matters that often confound and upset some of our traditionalists in the appropriate wardrobe department;  I find it odd that there are such wide conventions of wardrobe and attire regulation, that violations is deemed sacrilegious.  The requirement that at Temple or Mosques or in the Vatican or other holy places where religion is practiced -a cover (as the marines say)- is required on the head of females in some religions ,on men in other religions, and acceptable or not, in others.  It is all down to whose house it is, and what their traditions and beliefs are.  BUT, a private golf club both has the right to require no hats in the clubhouse if it is a private club, and waive that idea if they want.  What is not right, IMHO, is a public or open to the public course, that imposes such a regulation with a threat to with hold access to the public venue (particularly publicly owned public venues) for non-conformance with the private club down the street.  The same actually is true in my view on the jeans, or cargo short, etc.  If a club is private, let them have their rules, it is their right.  Often it is not down to rules, and just a very strong social convention and outcast process against the person that violates the etiquette code.  But, I also wonder when and who the folks were back in the day, who at private clubs required the hat be removed in clubhouses.  Was there a previous era where it was not a big deal and then some 'Victorian' era set of conventions came about?  

Finally, should young people step back from being golfers if they become ostracized by older members if they break conventional attire norms set arbitrarily by older members?  What if the younger generation assimilates new wardrobe conventions that are radically different to the older set, and completely normal for the younger generation?  Who yields, and who doesn't; and how does that get us going forward as a community of golfers?  
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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2013, 09:31:49 AM »
RJ.
good points BUT do we really want a game that has butt sagging trousers , cap turned backwards playing youngsters, simply because that is the vogue de jour?
Is it not also part of the game to learn somewhat conforming attire and behaviour as part of the game?

There has to be some middle ground perhaps if the game is going to grow, but we surely have to be careful to also maintain the integrity opf the game.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2013, 10:47:15 AM »
RJ.
good points BUT do we really want a game that has butt sagging trousers , cap turned backwards playing youngsters, simply because that is the vogue de jour?
Is it not also part of the game to learn somewhat conforming attire and behaviour as part of the game?

There has to be some middle ground perhaps if the game is going to grow, but we surely have to be careful to also maintain the integrity opf the game.

Michael, while I agee I can't help but believe that the hipsters and non-conforming young adults are changing the world - in a fascinating and promising way.  Just a theory from behind my desk in the corporate world.

Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Jason Thurman

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2013, 12:30:33 PM »
MWP, I get where you're coming from. I think there's a tough balance. You ask if we want a game with youngsters wearing hats backwards. I just want a game with youngsters. We don't have all that many of them, but I'm always happy to share the course with kids as long as they're not chasing each other in circles with four irons. If a 12 year old is learning to play and wants to wear a hat backwards, but plays with enthusiasm and projects a pleasant attitude, I'll happily play alongside him for 18 holes. In fact, I'd prefer it to some of the curmudgeons I've played with who are dressed like the prototypical golfer.

That said, I don't want to shirk all the traditions of the game in the name of attracting youth at all costs. I think we have to allow for a certain amount of youthful exuberance without totally taking a dump on etiquette. I'm not a big "grow the game" guy. More of a "sustain the game" guy.

The good news is that there's no group of people in the world more stylishly dressed than NBA players off the court in 2013. Looking at some of the popping colors and bold cuts that guys like Dwyane Wade and Russell Westbrook are wearing, it's not that far from golf attire in some ways. I think our game's general rules of attire still offer plenty of flexibility for style in the hands of the correct creative mind. We just need a modern Payne Stewart or two to replace some of the Rickie Fowler's of the world, or for Ian Poulter to be less of a total douche.
"There will always be haters. That’s just the way it is. Hating dudes marry hating women and have hating ass kids." - Evan Turner

Some of y'all have never been called out in bold green font and it really shows.

Andrew Buck

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2013, 01:20:33 PM »
RJ.
good points BUT do we really want a game that has butt sagging trousers , cap turned backwards playing youngsters, simply because that is the vogue de jour?
Is it not also part of the game to learn somewhat conforming attire and behaviour as part of the game?

There has to be some middle ground perhaps if the game is going to grow, but we surely have to be careful to also maintain the integrity opf the game.

Michael, while I agee I can't help but believe that the hipsters and non-conforming young adults are changing the world - in a fascinating and promising way.  Just a theory from behind my desk in the corporate world.



It sounds like you feel like almost every generation before you.  I'm sure Bobby Jones would be appalled by the though of golfing without a tie.  

Andrew Buck

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2013, 01:23:35 PM »
RJ.
good points BUT do we really want a game that has butt sagging trousers , cap turned backwards playing youngsters, simply because that is the vogue de jour?
Is it not also part of the game to learn somewhat conforming attire and behaviour as part of the game?

There has to be some middle ground perhaps if the game is going to grow, but we surely have to be careful to also maintain the integrity opf the game.

Michael, while I agee I can't help but believe that the hipsters and non-conforming young adults are changing the world - in a fascinating and promising way.  Just a theory from behind my desk in the corporate world.



It sounds like you feel like almost every generation before you.  I'm sure Bobby Jones would be appalled by the thought of golfing without a tie.  

Steve Wilson

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Re: Have you ever stepped back from being a golfer?
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2013, 04:23:23 PM »
While I have no doubt that contemporary announcers mean track when they say track, I think it all began with a mishearing or mispronouncing of tract, as in tract of land.  Can't prove it, but I think it more than likely.
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I'm not really registered, but I couldn't find a symbol for certifiable.

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