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Joe Hancock

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2013, 09:34:22 AM »
The way I watch the pros play a course like Oak Hill is to try to imagine the course if it were under a regiment that reflects my own personal preferences for how golf courses could play.

The way they have the course(trees, grass lines, height of cuts, routing, new greens, etc.) are a reflection of others' preferences.

We can either agree or disagree with those preferences, and should be able to discuss them here as we wish.

And, as far as Oak Hills' preferences that are on display, I agree with those who find it difficult to stay interested as a viewer. I can't imagine anything adventurous or out of the ordinary happening during this Championship. Someone will struggle with the deep rough, others will have tree trouble, and no one will have a problem with an approach shot holding the green.

I struggle with the idea that this type of setup produces a great champion. What champions of any tournaments weren't great, respective of the rest of the field on that particular week? I don't understand.

Joe
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Mark Steffey

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2013, 09:47:59 AM »

That's great except Rochester is about 6 hours from any ocean.

dennis 'oil can' boyd would debate you on this statement!  ;D

Jud_T

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2013, 01:55:14 PM »
Joe,

Good points.  All these traditional methods of protecting par and some of these guys still shoot nothing.  Why not give them a chance at recovery?  All these storied venues this year and I have no desire to play any of 'em.  I feel like I can just put Digest's list on my wall and cross off each championship venue from my to-do list with each passing event.  Pinehurst can't come soon enough IMO.
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Dean Stokes

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2013, 03:01:31 PM »
I have never been to the course so can't comment on it. However this tournament is just plain boring. I am trying hard to watch it, I love golf, but it is just uninteresting. Just an opinion.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2013, 06:50:32 PM »
Joe,

Good points.  All these traditional methods of protecting par and some of these guys still shoot nothing.  Why not give them a chance at recovery?  All these storied venues this year and I have no desire to play any of 'em.  I feel like I can just put Digest's list on my wall and cross off each championship venue from my to-do list with each passing event.  Pinehurst can't come soon enough IMO.

I would shoot 90++ at Merion, Muirfield and Oak Hill, but I'd still love to play them all.  I guess I won't let you know when I get it arranged!

And, before you get all lathered up about Pinehurst #2, just remember what the USGA did to it last time. THAT was unwatchable. And we were rewarded with the legendary Michael Campbell.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2013, 07:10:23 PM »
Worst leaderboatd in the history of a Major.

noonan

Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2013, 07:43:40 PM »
Worst leaderboatd in the history of a Major.

Huh?

Furyk has won before...

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2013, 07:52:45 PM »
Worst leaderboatd in the history of a Major.

Huh?

Furyk has won before...

Yes, the worst thing that ever happened to Olympia Fields.

Tim_Cronin

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2013, 07:57:05 PM »
Worst leaderboatd in the history of a Major.

Huh?

Furyk has won before...

Yes, the worst thing that ever happened to Olympia Fields.

Which means Olympia Fields is in great shape! Good guy, this Furyk, even with the caught-in-a-telephone-line takeaway.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2013, 07:59:23 PM »
Worst leaderboatd in the history of a Major.

Huh?

Furyk has won before...

Yes, the worst thing that ever happened to Olympia Fields.

That's garbage, of course, but I think this could shape up to be interesting television. McElroy seems to have come out if his light coma, Scott hasn't shoved that many makable putts, Dufner seems like he has detectable blood pressure and Furyk hasn't needed his caddie's bib. Yet. And Stenson might yet finish a major. Lastly, despite the arboreal goalposts, I think Oak Hill is getting tougher and more credible. As if it really has anything to prove.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Wade Whitehead

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2013, 08:01:10 PM »
Oak Hill is the most boring golf course I have ever watched on television.

WW

Terry Lavin

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2013, 08:03:32 PM »
Oak Hill is the most boring golf course I have ever watched on television.

WW

So you'll be painting the garage tomorrow?
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Ted Cahill

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2013, 08:11:34 PM »
From a television spectator POV, Oak Hill is making me look forward to Valhalla....
“Bandon Dunes is like Chamonix for skiers or the
North Shore of Oahu for surfers,” Rogers said. “It is
where those who really care end up.”

Terry Lavin

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2013, 08:20:26 PM »
From a television spectator POV, Oak Hill is making me look forward to Valhalla....

Now, that's harsh. And funny!  
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

PCCraig

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2013, 08:29:41 PM »
The leaderboard is solid but I can barely watch 5 min of the tournament as its so boring. It looks and feels like a World Golf Championship.
H.P.S.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2013, 08:30:18 PM »
From a television spectator POV, Oak Hill is making me look forward to Valhalla....

Now, that's harsh. And funny!  

Neither Valhalla or Torrey Pines gets any credibility for providing excellent tournament drama. What upsets me is that the PGA Tour costs me $100/month whether I watch it or attend any events or not. I pay because i play the game.  I just want it to go away or at least not suck. Now I'm in the greatest city in the world and I can't even watch it if I wanted to.  

Tom_Doak

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2013, 08:31:30 PM »
I can't imagine anything adventurous or out of the ordinary happening during this Championship. Someone will struggle with the deep rough, others will have tree trouble, and no one will have a problem with an approach shot holding the green.

It's the same course as it was during that epic Seve vs. Lehman Ryder Cup match, when Seve made one crazy up and down after another.

Andrew Buck

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2013, 08:31:39 PM »
This week actually reminds me a lot of the Olympia Fields open.  Of course, the rough was cut at Olympia, but soft conditions with no wind means these guys will score and their is little the course can do (which is fine with me).
« Last Edit: August 10, 2013, 08:36:07 PM by Andrew Buck »

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2013, 09:15:51 PM »
Golf is the only sport where we watch the best of the game play on fields modified for their play. It needs to stop. If you want to be an apologist than so be it. I can tolerate but I refuse to celebrate these bastardized venues.

noonan

Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2013, 09:43:06 PM »
Golf is the only sport where we watch the best of the game play on fields modified for their play. It needs to stop. If you want to be an apologist than so be it. I can tolerate but I refuse to celebrate these bastardized venues.
Spot on here.

Let them score!

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Sure, there's been rain; and sure, much is to be played out-but....
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2013, 09:46:34 PM »
Golf is the only sport where we watch the best of the game play on fields modified for their play. It needs to stop. If you want to be an apologist than so be it. I can tolerate but I refuse to celebrate these bastardized venues.
Spot on here.

Let them score!

Exactly, basketball was hurt by the three point line. It would be all but dead with an 11' basket.