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Anthony Butler

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2013, 01:09:22 PM »
The course looks great... for a Sunday.  :)

The worst thing about the tournament so far is they allowed that moron Fred Ridley onto the property as a walking referee... Hopefully the R&A will have the balls to do what the Masters did not do when the inevitable rules violation occurs...

 (Spoiler Alert: he's now advising Matt Kuchar on a lost ball procedure... He'll be lucky if he's still playing tomorrow.) :( ??? :o
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RJ_Daley

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2013, 01:39:49 PM »
I think it is all good.  The leaderboard has player who got there with some good fortune of getting the lucky breaks, and some got there with good strategy and conservative play accompanied by deft touch, and a few were beneficiaries of their power and got the best with the risks they took.  All sorts of style of players gives me the impression the golf course is playing like a major should, with a good maintenance meld to distinguish what should be the links brand of golf.

I just loved seeing a similar putt on 14 by McDowell and Woods where McD cozied it right up there with putter from several feet off the green, followed by similar line- a little shorter distance and Woods was still off the green when the putt was done rolling.  Tiger's fail at the chip shot not staying up on the green and then his great bunker shots from awkward stances was a variety of challenges that seem like great links golf to me.  

I also thought that Schwartzel's flinging his club and it breaking in a small cloud of dust upon landing just on edge of rough and FW, showed the firmness in a way that just a puff of dust after an iron might indicate.  Having thrown a club with same velocity on a regularly watered and prepared course and not breaking it, it seems to me that I could only break one with such a fling if I threw it on my driveway...  ::) ;D

PS added:  Wasn't it just a delicious dilemma we saw Harris English have to make after failing to golf his ball to the right place in FW, only to have a Hobson's choice to have to play into the hay to keep bogey in play?  What isn't to enjoy or boring about this sort of golf at a major?  ;D
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2013, 01:50:20 PM »
   

    As someone who considers course set up as an " art". I would give my right arm to set up that track for just one round.

  

I think Pete describes the problem very well.  Officials all want to be the stars of these events rather than let the architecture or players shine.

Pete Blaisdell

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2013, 02:12:30 PM »
    John

        I'll give you credit. You never disappoint.

        You made a fool of yourself in the " I got a phone call last night " thread a while back so I'm not going to bite on your innuendo.

         Course setup is an art. I enjoy it . Many officials don't.

         I am no star, never been accused of that. I look at the game and competitions in a whole differant light than you do. That's pretty obvious. You should stay away from subjects you don't understand.
' Golf courses are like wives and the prom queen doesn't always make for the best wife "

John Kavanaugh

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2013, 02:28:41 PM »
    John

        I'll give you credit. You never disappoint.

        You made a fool of yourself in the " I got a phone call last night " thread a while back so I'm not going to bite on your innuendo.

         Course setup is an art. I enjoy it . Many officials don't.

         I am no star, never been accused of that. I look at the game and competitions in a whole differant light than you do. That's pretty obvious. You should stay away from subjects you don't understand.

Oh please, take yourself out of the equation and ask yourself if Mike Davis has overstepped his bounds in the setup of the courses under his charge.  He took the best hole at Torrey, the 14th, and made it a drivable par 4 for greater benefit to himself than anyone else.  I would love to see his shoebox of press clippings.

I agree that course set up is an art.  It should be the art of discretion not some performance piece.

Pete Blaisdell

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2013, 02:42:12 PM »
  John

    I was going to post something that was really derogatory.

    Thought about it and erased it.

     You don't know Mike Davis and his mind set . You don't know me.

     Jesus, I don't know what your problem is.

     I feel sorry for you. Instigator and agravator.---- Again, you have no clue what administrators and officials do.

     Yeah, we got some idiots and wannabees but they get weeded out . A few get through.

     I don't know where you live but why don't you get involved with a state or regional golf association, attend a USGA/PGA Rules Workshop and get involved and GET A TASTE!!---You might have a differant attitude other than sitting back on the sidelines and just compaining.
' Golf courses are like wives and the prom queen doesn't always make for the best wife "

John Kavanaugh

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2013, 02:51:55 PM »
 

     I don't know where you live but why don't you get involved with a state or regional golf association, attend a USGA/PGA Rules Workshop and get involved and GET A TASTE!!---You might have a differant attitude other than sitting back on the sidelines and just compaining.


You must have a grudge against the good people of Indiana.  I'm sure they would prefer that I campaign for change from the sidelines.

I truly am sorry for angering you to this extent.  I thought this problem was obvious. Please accept my apology if I am that far mistaken.

Dane Hawker

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2013, 03:38:15 PM »
This was on the the offical open iphone app

"Course Fact 2: The greens were double cut at 4.00am this morning, then singled rolled, meaning they are running at 11 feet on the stimpmeter"

That was in the morning

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Dean Stokes

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2013, 03:42:16 PM »
I have to somewhat agree with JK here...i almost wrote earlier that seeing so much of Mike Davis at every USGA event and him becoming a 'celebrity' is a joke to me-he sets up a golf course and badly I thought at Merion! I don't know Mike and I'm sure he is a great person but it seems to me that the constant changing of holes and tee boxes seems more like it is for his own personal satisfaction than the good of the tournament....I am probably wrong again as I am often!
The courses should be left alone and not set up for one week a year-the golfers show up, play it and the best golfer wins. The fact that course set up is talked about so much these days is becoming painful to listen to and I truly enjoy golf course architecture and watching majors. Just saying :)
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Thomas Dai

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2013, 03:57:46 PM »
A long time ago I was walking alongside the fairways at The Open. Not so far away on the other side of the ropes I, and the other spectators present nearby, could clearly hear a famous pro moaning loudly to his playing partners about the condition of the course.

A fellow spectator, I'd never met or even seen him before, said in a very, very loud voice "If you don't like it here why don't you climb into your private ............jet and ........ off home".

The famous player looked shell shocked.

His playing partners, their caddies and the marshall's couldn't contain their laughter. His own caddy had to look away he was trying soooo hard to contain his own laughter.

The spectator concerned was immediately warmly congratulated by the other spectators nearby.

Just thought I'd share this wee story with you.

All the best.

Phil McDade

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2013, 04:19:30 PM »
A wonderful day of golf -- fast and firm as can be. What's not to like for the GCA crowd? :D

A total of 15 players under par, with no one going silly-low and evidence that thoughtful rounds can yield solid under-par scores, as Zach Johnson and others showed. A neat display of how links golf, properly prepared, can find room on the leaderboard for a teenager at -2 and two AARP guys at -3 and -4 (Lehman and O'Meara). And why is everyone complaining about 18 when someone like the 56-year-old O'Meara can hit a perfect drive, perfect approach, and near-perfect putt? As for #8 and its allegedly diabolical pin placement -- seven holes played harder today. Afternoon guys had it harder than the morning guys? Welcome to the Open Championship, when the whims of weather and conditioning have helped determine outcomes for 150-some years.

What's the problem here? ;)

P.S. Is there anything better than competitive golf being played at 9 p.m. local time?

Jud_T

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2013, 04:45:02 PM »
tomorrow's setup will be quite interesting.  Dawson says he's listening to the players but I don't think all the guys who shot 78 this afternoon will be very happy if it's much softer tomorrow for the guys who went early/late.  Makes Tiger's 69 late in the day all the more impressive.  We're all whining about firm/fast conditions and when we finally get 'em we whine about it being OTT.  The only constant is the whining... ;D
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Dean Stokes

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2013, 05:02:51 PM »
A long time ago I was walking alongside the fairways at The Open. Not so far away on the other side of the ropes I, and the other spectators present nearby, could clearly hear a famous pro moaning loudly to his playing partners about the condition of the course.

A fellow spectator, I'd never met or even seen him before, said in a very, very loud voice "If you don't like it here why don't you climb into your private ............jet and ........ off home".

The famous player looked shell shocked.

His playing partners, their caddies and the marshall's couldn't contain their laughter. His own caddy had to look away he was trying soooo hard to contain his own laughter.

The spectator concerned was immediately warmly congratulated by the other spectators nearby.

Just thought I'd share this wee story with you.

All the best.
Perfect. Somebody should tweet that to Ian Poulter today after his pathetic cry baby tweet.
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Josh Tarble

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2013, 05:06:23 PM »

P.S. Is there anything better than competitive golf being played at 9 p.m. local time?


Only answer to this is yes, having major championship golf on your iPad all day at the office!

Terry Lavin

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2013, 05:29:18 PM »
The course looks great... for a Sunday.  :)

The worst thing about the tournament so far is they allowed that moron Fred Ridley onto the property as a walking referee... Hopefully the R&A will have the balls to do what the Masters did not do when the inevitable rules violation occurs...

 (Spoiler Alert: he's now advising Matt Kuchar on a lost ball procedure... He'll be lucky if he's still playing tomorrow.) :( ??? :o

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Matthew Rose

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2013, 06:49:41 PM »
LOL at these players.... they are so coddled beyond belief, it isn't funny.

I've got news for you Zach.... you shot 66. The golf course is fair.

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Sean_A

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2013, 07:28:15 PM »
Other than overly narrow fairways, the set-up is just fine.  There needs to be a few dicey hole locations to keep this lot honest. 

Jeepers, guys will moan using the logic that they are playing for a lot of money.  I would say that is double dutch.  They shouldn't be moaning precisely because they are playing for a lot of money.

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Brad Klein

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2013, 07:42:37 PM »
Obviously depending upon mowing heights, but if the greens were mowed twice and rolled once this morning -- a lot for links golf --  and given the low moisture levels in the region of late, it's extremely unlikely they were measuring only 11 on the Stimpmeter.

Sean_A

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2013, 07:56:55 PM »
Obviously depending upon mowing heights, but if the greens were mowed twice and rolled once this morning -- a lot for links golf --  and given the low moisture levels in the region of late, it's extremely unlikely they were measuring only 11 on the Stimpmeter.


I didn't think any putts looked as fast as at Augusta.  To me, the larger issue is much more about approaching.  When the greens get firm, its hard to use the edges for hole locations.  I think today they got away with it because the wind wasn't up.  If the course gets much firmer or windier, the story may change.  What I found interesting is the guys were not recognizing when there was a red light and play for the soft centres.  Much of the time, guys were still banging at flags and more strangely, banging driver off the tee to the hay.  Mind you, these guts don't have to play many long irons and woods and I would say the results today bore that out. I don't recall seeing so many of these type shots off line from fairways and tees.  Astonishing.

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William_G

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2013, 08:09:08 PM »
I have to somewhat agree with JK here...i almost wrote earlier that seeing so much of Mike Davis at every USGA event and him becoming a 'celebrity' is a joke to me-he sets up a golf course and badly I thought at Merion! I don't know Mike and I'm sure he is a great person but it seems to me that the constant changing of holes and tee boxes seems more like it is for his own personal satisfaction than the good of the tournament....I am probably wrong again as I am often!
The courses should be left alone and not set up for one week a year-the golfers show up, play it and the best golfer wins. The fact that course set up is talked about so much these days is becoming painful to listen to and I truly enjoy golf course architecture and watching majors. Just saying :)

I am totally down for that, the "course set-up" conversation makes everything so artificial, fake, worthless, stupid, contrived.... but alas it's the big dick syndrome of my course vs. your course, etc....
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John McCarthy

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2013, 08:32:27 PM »
I was listening to the sky TV feed on audio today and asked a player ( I think McDowle) what he thought of the pins and the reply was "They were on the greens, right?"

Then the player said Poulter always complains. 

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Anthony Butler

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2013, 09:48:26 PM »
The course looks great... for a Sunday.  :)

The worst thing about the tournament so far is they allowed that moron Fred Ridley onto the property as a walking referee... Hopefully the R&A will have the balls to do what the Masters did not do when the inevitable rules violation occurs...

 (Spoiler Alert: he's now advising Matt Kuchar on a lost ball procedure... He'll be lucky if he's still playing tomorrow.) :( ??? :o

No need to remind us of your inadequacies but you've again documented it well here. Find rock. Crawl under it.

If you unwrapped your lips from Boo Ridley's johnson long enough you'd realize the only reason Tiger Woods got to finish the Masters this year is because Ridley was both 1) wrong and 2) too dumb to realize the fact he was wrong didn't mean squat in that situation .

 Like many lawyers who have enjoyed a modicum of success,  he thinks he wrote the Constitution whereas he could barely handle a traffic violation. Based on what I saw at the Zimmerman trial, however, that probably doesn't mean you're at a disadvantage in a Florida court.
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Andrew Buck

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2013, 11:27:07 PM »
Watching golf channel, neither Phil nor Zach were complaining one bit, IMO. 

Phil was simply expressing gratitude for playing early because by the end he could tell the conditions were getting harder (greens on the verge of dying).  Zach simply said the pins were tough, but you expect it coming in "it's not like they were on a crevasse or a tier, they certainly were playable, you could miss it on one side or the other.  It's what you expect for a major". 

I just don't think these guys were complaining, they're simply asked questions and they were explaining how hard it played.  I guess Phil could be criticized for the "ego" comment, but overall, this is overblown, imo.

RJ_Daley

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2013, 12:05:28 AM »
Maybe the problem is that there IS a golf channel!  ::)

Aren't most of us sick and tired of the press hyping every little thing to manufacture controversy and try and hold an audience, no matter what they are covering on these 24 hour cable channels?  They don't have a program and couldn't draw a small crowd if they didn't hyperventilate every breath they speak.  They are like a bunch of old wag tongue gossips and pettifoggers always looking to manufacture some controversy or stir up a dispute where none exists.  You know you are at a lowlife gossip and dish the dirt session when the interviewer's best shot is:  "so and so said this about you, what do you want to say back?" 

Example in point, the pathetic interviewers at the press conference of McILroy, all flogging the comment by Faldo that 'Rory has too much on his mind' or some such.  Then, whatever the innocuous 'brush it off' response is, they regurgitate it back and analyse it until they can stimulate yet another response from the first bloke, and on they will flog it for two or three news cycle days. All much ado about nothing. 

I don't know what the solution is, as we want to view our golf, but then when it is over, we get played and conned into believing that some drama is afoot, at the slightest of comments over-hyped by these cable mavens. 

And I'm not saying these guys that do the interviews are not able or competent or not decent folk.  Of the two or three I met, they are fine gents in deed.  But, the pressure to keep the interest up and the dial tuned into the cable channel after there is really nothing more to say until golf recommences the next day.  Just too much prattle, methinks...

I know... the irony in that statement.  ::) ;) ;D
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Chris DeNigris

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Re: "A third of each green has died"
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2013, 12:13:45 AM »
Or...we could just not worry about it and watch the golf.  ::)