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David Ober

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #200 on: April 28, 2016, 07:07:02 PM »
As of right now, it's Brentwood CC in Los Angeles. Played there a couple years ago, and it was nothing special. Played there for the SCGA Mid-Am, and thought the course was an absolute blast. Very challenging, with firm, exceptionally true greens, and a nice mix of moderately difficult  and very difficult holes and green complexes that were quite a challenge to figure out!


The winds were strong for the Mid-Am, and only one player broke par (Corby Segal). There was a USGA Champion in the field as well as many USGA Am and Mid-Am match play qualifiers from over the years. The pins were tucked and tough, as per usual with SCGA events.


I heard almost universal praise for the work that was done on the course. The re-imagined barranca that works its way through the course is simultaneously intimidating, visually appealing, and shot-altering.


I highly recommend Brentwood.

Matthew Schulte

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #201 on: May 02, 2016, 09:31:48 PM »
St. Enodoc
Kawana - Oshima (Yes! The Oshima course.)
Utrechtse Golfclub de Pan
Wallasey
Rye

David Davis

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #202 on: May 03, 2016, 04:02:59 AM »
St. Enodoc
Kawana - Oshima (Yes! The Oshima course.)
Utrechtse Golfclub de Pan
Wallasey
Rye


Matt, shhhhhhhh....


Don't tell everyone about Utrechtse Golfclub de Pan, Holland's second soon to be Top 100 World Course. This country is crowded enough as it is without all the extra golf fanatics coming to clog up our little known gems.
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Bill Satterfield

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #203 on: May 03, 2016, 02:16:52 PM »
Manele
Sleepy Hollow CC
Prairie Club (Dunes)
MPCC (Shore)
Kingsley Club

Matthew Schulte

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #204 on: May 03, 2016, 08:08:38 PM »
St. Enodoc
Kawana - Oshima (Yes! The Oshima course.)
Utrechtse Golfclub de Pan
Wallasey
Rye


Matt, shhhhhhhh....


Don't tell everyone about Utrechtse Golfclub de Pan, Holland's second soon to be Top 100 World Course. This country is crowded enough as it is without all the extra golf fanatics coming to clog up our little known gems.


David:


There is at least one member at "de Pan" who will never allow the pace of play to suffer too much there!  ;)


It seems silly to say that a well regarded Colt course was a pleasant surprise.  However, whatever expectations I had for it, were comfortably exceeded.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #205 on: May 03, 2016, 08:42:33 PM »
I am pleasantly surprised at the soundtrack of Hamilton. After going through some effort to be one of the only people to see Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson live I expected little more than a nod to modern urban struggles. Wow, Hamilton is that good despite being a character study far less interesting than Jackson. I guess in 2010 we just weren't ready for "History Just Got All Sexypants".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Bloody_Andrew_Jackson





Chad Anderson (Tennessee)

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #206 on: May 04, 2016, 10:11:05 PM »
Gaston Country Club (Gastonia, NC) - very pleasant surprise on a drop in trip.
Oak Ridge Country Club (Oak Ridge, TN) - just a fun course to play, Zoysia fairways, good design and always in good shape.
Olde Stone (Bowling Green, KY) - not a big Arthur Hills fan, but loved this one.
Mid-Pines (Pinehurst, NC) - much better than I was hoping for!  My 2nd favorite to #2 in the area.
Tobacco Road (Pinehurst area, NC) - visually awesome!
Chad Anderson
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Tennessee Golf Association
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #207 on: May 04, 2016, 10:19:01 PM »
Just had a very pleasant surprise.


Played a recently renovated Golf Club of GA Creekside.  Before, I considered it a must play for any architectural student because of how bad it was.  But now, the course is very solid.  Not great like an NGLA or Cypress Point, but much, much better than what it was.  And now, instead of a course I'd avoid playing...it is a course I'd jump on the chance to play again.


2,000 trees removed.  Playing corridors widened, which brings the quality of the greens to life...as angles can be utilized.  Double forced carry holes "fixed". Just so much good happened...it is amazing!
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #208 on: May 06, 2016, 05:22:07 PM »
In alphabetical order:

Dauphin Highlands - Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Lederach - Harleysville, Pennsylvania
North Hills - Glenside, Pennsylvania
Rum Pointe - Berlin, Maryland
Westwood - Woodbury, New Jersey

Jason Way

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #209 on: May 06, 2016, 06:08:19 PM »
Kingsley Club - Had a buddies trip to N. MI to play Arcadia Bluffs and Crystal Downs a few years back and we needed a third course to play.  We knew nothing about KC, but all loved it (me enough to join shortly thereafter).


Essex County Club - Plans to play Fishers Island fell through last year, and so we added ECC at the last minute.  I love that course so much - it is a Top 5er for me.  Going back again this year.


Hyde Park G&CC - I was fortunate enough to get an invite to play Camargo last year and added Hyde Park to my Cincinnati itinerary.  Had a blast.  It has cool terrain and a couple of stretches of fantastic holes.


Sand Hollow - I saw earlier in the thread that Jon Cavalier called this one out.  He nudged me to make the drive out, and I am so grateful that I did.  Have never played anything else quite like it.


Lawsonia Links - Based on the ravings of you geeks, I had high expectations, and I was still blown away on my first visit.  Not sure that this technically fits the pleasant surprise criteria, but it makes my list for how much my jaw dragged on the ground as I walked around the place.
"Golf is a science, the study of a lifetime, in which you can exhaust yourself but never your subject." - David Forgan

Richard Hetzel

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #210 on: May 06, 2016, 06:14:05 PM »
within the last 2 years...


Cape Arundel (ME)
George Wright GC (MA)
Brickyard Crossing (IN) much better than I was expecting
Wolf Run (IN)
Sweeten's Cove (TN)

Best Played So Far This Season:
Crystal Downs CC (MI), The Bridge (NY), Canterbury GC (OH), Lakota Links (CO), Montauk Downs (NY), Sedge Valley (WI)

Michael Whitaker

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #211 on: May 09, 2016, 02:56:58 AM »
Just had a very pleasant surprise.


Played a recently renovated Golf Club of GA Creekside.  Before, I considered it a must play for any architectural student because of how bad it was.  But now, the course is very solid.  Not great like an NGLA or Cypress Point, but much, much better than what it was.  And now, instead of a course I'd avoid playing...it is a course I'd jump on the chance to play again.


2,000 trees removed.  Playing corridors widened, which brings the quality of the greens to life...as angles can be utilized.  Double forced carry holes "fixed". Just so much good happened...it is amazing!

Mac - who did the work?
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Simon Holt

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #212 on: May 09, 2016, 05:43:16 PM »
Most recently:


Troon Portland - maybe because its thrown in for free your expectations aren't that high but its a perfectly pleasant course


Kinloch GC, New Zealand - by far the best Nicklaus course that I have played.  Seriously good stuff and a nice foil to oceanfront properties that tend to be the "go to" courses for NZ golf tourists.


Big letdown.....Dundonald Links....sigh.
2011 highlights- Royal Aberdeen, Loch Lomond, Moray Old, NGLA (always a pleasure), Muirfield Village, Saucon Valley, watching the new holes coming along at The Renaissance Club.

Sean_A

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises New
« Reply #213 on: May 10, 2016, 03:07:04 AM »
Simon

I too was slightly disappointed with Dundonald, but that may be due to overly high expectations.  Its a good course for sure and a good deal on twilight fees.  I spose what surprised me was very few really outstanding holes and fake dunes running in different directions...so I guess this should be called massive containment mounding.  I could see myself going back to round out a trip if the green fee is reasonable.  Do you know if Kilmarnock Barassie is as good as Dundonald or Western Gailes?

Ciao
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New plays planned for 2024: Nothing

Tim Rooney

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #214 on: May 10, 2016, 11:45:04 AM »
Simon, was the Kinloch fairway bunkering broad enough to avoid good drives being penalized?Many on this site were very bunker critical of this wonderful pictorial Nicklaus course.Appears a new creative design gesture for Jack?The eye appeal is awesome!

Thomas Dai

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #215 on: May 10, 2016, 12:57:54 PM »
When you visit a 'name' course, whether or biggie or a lessor one, you may have researched it, been recommended, seen photographs or read reviews, in short you probably have expectations, maybe very high expectations.


Places that have exceeded my expectations over the last few years have included the likes of Cruit Island, Dunfanaghy, Dawlish Warren, Carne, the Bann at Castlerock, the Channel at Burnham & Berrow, Minchinhampton Old, the Annesley at RCD. There's a pattern here! As to bigger names, Enniscrone would be one but one course in particular stands out, delightful Portmarnock :)


And there are three which I hope to get to sometime that I have a suspicion might find themselves in the above grouping......Askernish, Fortrose & Rosemarkie and Lofoten Isles....but now I've gone and plonked them in the expectations league so maybe they won't make it after all! :)


Atb
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Brad Fleischer

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #216 on: May 10, 2016, 01:42:31 PM »
Mattawang golf club


Galloping hills


Silver Lake


Mercer Oaks


;)

Simon Holt

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #217 on: May 11, 2016, 07:47:55 AM »

Hi Sean,


I've not played Barassie but I hear thats its a nice course.  My main issue with Dundonald was that i found it all a little bland.  The only really interesting holes were the ones towards and along the railway line which seems to be on better land.

Hi Tim,


Visually Kinloch is superb.  The attention to detail in the shaping of both the fairways, greens and rough areas was particularly impressive.  My playing partner and I both had good days there off the tee so perhaps that had a lot to do with not picking up on any penal fairway bunkering, but I don't remember ever feeling overly intimidated on any tee shots.


They could do with lowering the mowers a little but other than that I loved it.


Simon
2011 highlights- Royal Aberdeen, Loch Lomond, Moray Old, NGLA (always a pleasure), Muirfield Village, Saucon Valley, watching the new holes coming along at The Renaissance Club.

jeffwarne

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #218 on: May 11, 2016, 08:05:14 AM »
Simon, was the Kinloch fairway bunkering broad enough to avoid good drives being penalized?Many on this site were very bunker critical of this wonderful pictorial Nicklaus course.Appears a new creative design gesture for Jack?The eye appeal is awesome!


How is a "good drive" a "good drive" if it ends up in a bunker?

"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

MCirba

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #219 on: May 11, 2016, 08:06:23 AM »
In alphabetical order:

Dauphin Highlands - Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Lederach - Harleysville, Pennsylvania
North Hills - Glenside, Pennsylvania
Rum Pointe - Berlin, Maryland
Westwood - Woodbury, New Jersey

All good ones, Matt!
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

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MCirba

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #220 on: May 11, 2016, 09:15:19 AM »
Sorry if this breaks the rules a bit but I just went back through courses I played for the first time in the past five years and noted which one's greatly exceeded prior expectations and came up with a dozen.

Giant's Ridge (Quarry) - MN
Eastward Ho! - MA
Legends (Moorland) - SC
Pine Tree - FL
Doylestown - PA
Yahnundasis - NY
Arrowhead Pointe - GA
West Chester (9) - PA
Berkshire - PA
Westchester (West) - NY
Gullane #1 - Scotland
Miacomet - MA
"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent" - Calvin Coolidge

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Tom_Doak

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #221 on: May 11, 2016, 09:42:08 AM »
I have never posted on this thread, because I've already written about most of the courses I would consider posting about ... and once they are known, they are no longer surprises.


The more posts I read, the more obvious it becomes how everyone's opinions -- and probably the rankings themselves -- are affected by EXPECTATIONS.  Certain settings [oceanfront, links, heathland], certain architects, and certain types of features are all factored into the process before a course is even unveiled.  But many posters are so sick of this, that they are more receptive to liking anything good which they didn't expect, and often overrating it in the process.


The one overriding theme I'm getting from the listing of courses is that modern architects all try too hard.

Jud_T

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #222 on: May 11, 2016, 09:45:14 AM »
Mike,

Legends Moorland?!  Do tell.....
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

MCirba

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #223 on: May 11, 2016, 10:12:15 AM »
Tom,

There's no question that expectations play a part in what would be our "most pleasant surprises"; I'm not sure the same holds true for our eventual ratings.

For instance, take Jud T.'s question to me about Legends (Moorland).   Given the popularity of Myrtle Beach as a golf destination and given P.B. Dye's penchant for over-the-top, difficult architecture, and given that I'd played both Heathland and Parkland courses there years before, essentially avoiding what I assumed from word-on-the-street was a crazy ball-buster until I finally broke down and played it with my wife three or so years ago, I found that it was none of what I'd assumed.   Instead, I found it to be a very creative course that one could play either safely and smartly , or stupidly and recklessly.   PB built some great variety into dead drab landforms and the litmus test of whether my wife could get around without too much bloodletting also factored into my positive surprise.

That being said, it's at best a 6 or generously a 7 on the Doak Scale, but I'd anticipated an outrageously overdone 2 or 3.

I'm also a bit more of a fan of quirk and blindness and flat out sense of adventure and discovery than the average bear, perhaps which goes into my probably higher than the norm reactions to Eastward Ho!, Yahnundasis, and West Chester.   

Pine Tree kicked my butt but I expected to have little to no options on most holes and instead found there were almost always ways to play safely if one wanted to risk half a shot and it had considerable variety and interest.

Gullane, was just magical.   I never knew.

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Mark Pearce

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #224 on: May 11, 2016, 10:15:07 AM »
Moraine CC
Lawsonia Links
Brampton
Royal Portrush (yes, really, I expected good and hard and found beautiful, great and fun)
George Wright


In the last 5 years.  Odd that 3 of these are in the US.

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