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Sean_A

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #150 on: December 01, 2014, 07:52:24 PM »
Spangles

Carnoustie Burnside is a good call.  I guess the courses I mentioned in June were all seen in 2013.  I spose in recent months Perranporth was a cool revisit surprise with wind that made sense.  I didn't play it, but Cruit Island looked to be better than I thought it would be...it is definitely not a one hole wonder.  

My list is getting quite long... some get the axe

Pennard
Cavendish
Castletown
Cleeve Cloud
Lederach
Strandhill
Mid Pines - and I played it more than once previously.  
Alwoodley - and I played it before.  
The Sacred 9 - the course knocked my socks off
Carnoustie Burnside

Ciao  
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #151 on: December 01, 2014, 08:02:54 PM »
Most of those are like throwing a ball in the air and being pleasantly surprised when it comes back down again.

This is a weak attempt at I don't know what. They are not at all like throwing a ball in the air and expressing surprise that gravity is a thing. I've played hyped courses that don't confirm the prelude. See my next comment to understand how being totally prepared intellectually for everything cannot prepare you for the full-frontal, physical, emotional, visual experience.

NGLA - Been on this site and other for 17 years give or take and heard every glowing report, seen every photo. - but when I walked it during the Walker Cup every thing was true.

In time, when my clock has wound nearly down, I will recall the three days I spent at NGLA during Walker Cup as the three most transcendent of my GCA days. For 72 hours, NGLA was my course. I had a desk in the caddie/press house, food, water and run of the compound. I shot thousands of photos and would have slept in any of the bunkers if afforded the opportunity. To say that I was a pig in mud would be to spell mud wrong.
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Jon Cavalier

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #152 on: December 01, 2014, 08:19:52 PM »
NGLA - Been on this site and other for 17 years give or take and heard every glowing report, seen every photo. - but when I walked it during the Walker Cup every thing was true.

In time, when my clock has wound nearly down, I will recall the three days I spent at NGLA during Walker Cup as the three most transcendent of my GCA days. For 72 hours, NGLA was my course. I had a desk in the caddie/press house, food, water and run of the compound. I shot thousands of photos and would have slept in any of the bunkers if afforded the opportunity. To say that I was a pig in mud would be to spell mud wrong.

Wow, Ron. Beautifully said.
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Ryan Coles

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #153 on: December 01, 2014, 08:23:41 PM »
I'll have two of whatever Ron's had.

NGLA is a pleasant surprise.

Next you'll be describing Pebble Beach as a hidden gem.

Michael Moore

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #154 on: December 01, 2014, 08:36:45 PM »
I had a desk in the caddie/press house, food, water and run of the compound.

Who busted you out?
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Todd Melrose

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #155 on: December 01, 2014, 08:44:35 PM »
1. Chicago GC - what a brilliantly routed and challenging course on a pretty non-descript piece of land. Pinch me moment setting my ball into the ground on the first tee.
2. Merion - the history and charm is one of the great experiences of golf
3. Somerset Hills - played in autumn with all colors of leaves. Loved the diff front 9/back 9.
4. Yale - seeing the Biarritz hole in person will blow you away.
5. Streamsong - finally a GREAT golf resort in Florida. What fun both courses are.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #156 on: December 01, 2014, 08:49:56 PM »
I had a desk in the caddie/press house, food, water and run of the compound.

Who busted you out?

Stupid USGA made me leave on Sunday. #kickingandscreaming
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Jon Cavalier

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #157 on: December 01, 2014, 09:11:19 PM »
This has been a fun year of golf for me and definitely filled with surprises:

1)  Yale--so many dramatic and bold holes, exceeded all expectations

2)  Taconic--this was actually my first round of "mountain" golf.  I was blown away.  It was fun, challenging, had character and some great views of the mountains and the campus.  Highly recommend

3)  Whitinsville--I had only read about Whitinsville in the first Confidential Guide and I wonder how much more acclaim this course would get if Ross had built 18 holes here.  Number 9 is one of my favorites anywhere

4)  Streamsong--fun and unique golf in Florida

5)  The Country Club--smallest set of greens I've ever seen.  What a great golf course

Great list. Yale would have been #1 on my list in 2013. Streamsong is a good one too - I, for one, was shocked that anyone had managed to build such a fun and interesting set of courses in Florida - in fact, it's the only public golf I've played in Florida for which I would make a special trip to play again.
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Rob Marshall

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #158 on: December 01, 2014, 09:20:01 PM »
Ballylifin Old
Royal Portrush Valley
Philly Country Club
Brookfield CC
Seven Oaks

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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #159 on: December 01, 2014, 10:44:43 PM »
Rob,

I would put Seven Oaks on this list:

Crag Burn
Golden Horseshoe Gold
Cornell University
Seven Oaks
Dunes Club (S.C.)

Can you guess which big surprise connects them? It ain't difficult.
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Jon Cavalier

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #160 on: December 02, 2014, 12:06:05 AM »
Great topic. Here's my list for 2014.

1. Somerset Hills - absolutely blew me away.
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,59808.0.html

2. Eastward Ho - I wasn't prepared to be so awestruck by the terrain - it's unlike anywhere I've ever played. http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,59919.0.html

3. Whipporwill Club - like Eastward Ho, Whippoorwill is a unique place with some truly incredible terrain. Thinking of doing a photo tour soon.

4. Dunes Club - a wonderful 9-holer and a special experience.

5. Myopia Hunt Club - I knew it would be good, but not THAT good. A true gem. http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,59738.0.html

Breaking the rules here, but I wanted to add a couple more from this past year.

6. Bayonne - a links in New Jersey? Doesn't get much more surprising than that.

7. Sleepy Hollow - an all-time favorite that I had played before this year, but every time I go back, I'm surprised (make that shocked) that this course isn't on every top 100 list out there.

8. St. George's G&CC - another Long Island gem, and an oft-overlooked masterpiece by Emmet. Compares favorably to Leatherstocking (another favorite) in every way.

9. Old Town Club - pleasantly surprising in its masterful routing and brilliant use of the tumbling and gorgeous setting, this course was actually not at all what I expected. The fact that I immediately went around for a second loop and played 36 immediately following a 450 mile drive is proof positive of how pleasantly surprised I was.

10. Merion (West Course) - a supremely fun golf course overshadowed (and rightfully so) by its sister, the west should still be a course that more people make time to see and play at least once.
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Philip Caccamise

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #161 on: December 02, 2014, 01:47:37 AM »
Rob,

I would put Seven Oaks on this list:

Crag Burn
Golden Horseshoe Gold
Cornell University
Seven Oaks
Dunes Club (S.C.)

Can you guess which big surprise connects them? It ain't difficult.

RTJ...

My top three surprises for 2014 were 1) the aforementioned Sweetens Cove, which is the best 9 hole course I've ever played and an amazing design on a featureless property, with perhaps the most interesting/unique par 3 I've ever seen, 2) Seaview (Bay) which I had played before many years ago and it was OK but not great, but the renovation turned it into a must play in South Jersey, and 3) Springfield CC (OH) which I went in with moderate/good expectations and came away wanting to play there every day. It's that good.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #162 on: December 02, 2014, 02:31:33 AM »
1. Chicago GC - what a brilliantly routed and challenging course on a pretty non-descript piece of land. Pinch me moment setting my ball into the ground on the first tee.
2. Merion - the history and charm is one of the great experiences of golf
3. Somerset Hills - played in autumn with all colors of leaves. Loved the diff front 9/back 9.
4. Yale - seeing the Biarritz hole in person will blow you away.
5. Streamsong - finally a GREAT golf resort in Florida. What fun both courses are.
This is getting silly now.  How can these be described as pleasant surprises?  It almost seems like an inevitable rule of GCA that any thread asking for names of courses ends in lists of great courses members have played. 
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #163 on: December 02, 2014, 04:34:33 AM »
There's so much information out there now that real surprises are hard to come by, unless the course is very obscure and you just stumble over it. Even when I visited Cleeve Hill GC with Sean Arble and Tony Muldoon a few winters ago, Sean's previous postings about the course had led me to expect something quite good.

So most of my best surprises have come on construction sites or looking at bare land before it was developed. Without doubt the biggest and best of all these was...

1. Askernish. I've written about my trip up there with Gordon Irvine, Martin Ebert and Chris Haspell in 2006 on a number of occasions, but it's pretty hard to get across the astonishment on all our faces when we drove across the (apparently pretty flat and not very exciting) links, only to stop ten yards from the Atlantic, high on the seawall dune and see the valley that now houses the seventh hole straight in front of us, and an apparently endless range of huge sandhills beyond it. We walked off into the dunes looking for golf holes; about an hour later, Martin (who wasn't getting paid for this remember) said to me: "Well, this has just become the most exciting project on our books".

2. Streamsong. With apologies to Mark P, but the day I spent there with Bill Coore and Keith Rhebb, fairly early in the construction process, just blew me away. Keith - who I'd first met while he was building Lost Farm in Australia, told me a little of what to expect, but after getting lost in the flatlands of central Florida, to see a site of that kind, with the mining machinery still on it, was pretty mind-blowing.

3. Cabot Cliffs. I first visited Cabot five (I think) years ago, when the first course was about ten months away from opening. Ben and co had just acquired the property that would later become Cabot Cliffs, and I spent my last afternoon in Canada just walking the land on my own. The bluffs alone tell you it's going to be something pretty special, but the rest of the site is remarkable too. My biggest goal for 2015 is to return to see what Bill, Keith et al have made of it.

4. Sweetens Cove. I met Rob Collins when I was in Chattanooga visiting the ASGCA annual meeting back in 2011. His partner Tad King had built courses for a couple of my European friends, which is how I got the intro, and I had stumbled across Rob's presentation of the work on his website. Still wasn't prepared for what I saw. What kind of lunatic takes flat ground and builds a bloody great mound to deliberately create a blind par three?!  :D I loved it then and still think it's one of the coolest pieces of golf design I have seen.

5. Lofoten Golf Links in Norway. An authentic links 100 miles north of the Arctic Circle with a resident pod of killer whales swimming up and down the shoreline? How mad is that? Gotta get back and see the finished course next year.

Surprises on finished courses:

* Wolf Point. I knew it would be good, but I didn't know it would be _that_ good.

* Budersand in Germany. A proper links on what used to be an airbase? Very fine course, fantastic creation story.

* Le Touquet (La Mer). Well known, to be sure, but there is a very very special course trying to escape from under the tree and scrub growth

* Royal des Fagnes in Belgium. Could be magnificent with heavy duty Chainsaw Action (tm) and better greenkeeping

* Mazagan in Morocco. Hadn't seen work of this standard by the Gary Player group before. Frank Henegan did a great job on a lovely piece of dunes. Pity the greenkeeping isn't in sympathy with the design

* Bled, Slovenia. Gorgeous spot, nice piece of land, excellent routing. Needs more green interest and a sympathetic bunker job to be very good indeed.

* Yas Links, Abu Dhabi. Clearly from the publicity it was going to be good, but it really transformed golf in the Gulf. Nothing like that elsewhere in the region. Remarkable.

* Cork GC, Ireland. Golf architect Paul O'Brien and I were touring a few courses in that part of the country, and Paul, who grew up in Cork, took me to see the course, about which I knew little. I loved it, and still haven't seen a non-links in Ireland that I'd rather play. Even though I got into a bit of trouble for later complaining about the tree growth in the magazine, only to learn later that the trees I was complaining about weren't on their property!

* Dunstanburgh Castle, England. I met Tom Doak and Don Placek at the site of the Renaissance Club one cold, clear and beautiful early spring day. Afterwards, I fancied a few holes before heading back south, so rang the secretary at North Berwick to see if I could get on. They had a large visiting party playing, so I gave up on that idea and hit the road. Heading across the border, I remembered the selection of courses on the Northumberland coast, none of which I'd seen, so turned off the A1 and headed to Dunstanburgh. Not a cloud in the sky, but extremely cold and a brutal wind howling off the North Sea. I paid my £20 green fee, shoved half a dozen clubs in my pencil bag and went out. It was the day I discovered my love of playing golf on my own. I went round all 18 in a fraction over two hours with a huge smile on my face the whole way. A good, not great golf course, but a great experience.
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Chris DeToro

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #164 on: December 02, 2014, 07:30:59 AM »
Could it be that the surprise was getting to play them?  Or simply that it exceeded high expectations (that would qualify as a surprise to me)?    The entire Bandon experience was a pleasant surprise to me last year because it crushed already high expectations. 

Chris DeToro

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #165 on: December 02, 2014, 07:33:50 AM »
Great topic. Here's my list for 2014.


10. Merion (West Course) - a supremely fun golf course overshadowed (and rightfully so) by its sister, the west should still be a course that more people make time to see and play at least once.


It's amazing how a great course can be overlooked in one's mind because of the other courses in the neighborhood and to a large degree, the order in which they've played the course (for instance, any course you play after playing TOC is going to have trouble standing out)

Josh Tarble

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #166 on: December 02, 2014, 08:40:18 AM »
1.  Hyde Park CC in Cincinnati - this may be and stay my #1 surprise of all time - an amazing Ross that I knew nothing about prior to playing.  It has everything you could want in a golf course - possibly the best set of par 3s I've ever played, they were really that good.  Everyone needs to put this Ross course on their "to play" list

2.  Medinah #3 - I knew it would be good and would also be a brute.  I was surprised at how playable it was and how much character is in the course.  I loved it and would have played another 18 had we had time.

3.  Wolf Run - it was definitely hard, that much was not surprising.  But I was pleasantly surprised at how fun it was as well.  There are some really fun, strategic shots both off the tee and around the greens.  There are several shots you won't at any other course and each hole was very unique.  If you're ok with losing a few balls, you could do worse than play here every day. 


Paul Jones

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #167 on: December 02, 2014, 09:05:30 AM »
White Bear Yacht Club
Myopia Hunt Club
Sleepy Hollow
Lookout Mountain
Swinley Forest

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Ryan Taylor

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #168 on: December 02, 2014, 09:08:41 AM »
1. Kingsley - All world if they further tweak 7/17 and flip the nines. I'm sure the glad the course is in MI!
2. MCC - World class. Driving to the course, I did not expect it to enter my personal top 10.
3. Battle Creek CC - Simple but perfect renovation. Model for other clubs in MI.
4. Erin Hills - Enjoyable. Understand some of the criticism but I think it gets over scrutinized.
5. Sunningdale New - Great anticipation leading up to my round on the Old had me overlook this gem.
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BCowan

Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #169 on: December 02, 2014, 09:12:33 AM »
CC of Lansing-  It was my first L&M course.  Very nice routing with really great green complexes.  Bunkers and trees can be overlooked imo with great bold internal green contours and a solid routing.  

Sweetens Cove-  It's already been said

Pilgrims Run- It really amazes me how great land is for building a golf course all over the state of Michigan.  The land is top notch and sand based.  Many really good holes that overshadow the weak holes.  

Dormie- It surpassed my initial skepticism

Southern Pines- Wow, didn't realize the area had another fantastic course
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Michael George

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #170 on: December 02, 2014, 09:20:54 AM »
The Country Club of Pepper Pike and Brookside CC - Both golf courses are incredibly good.  CCPP is one of the best routings/walks that you can have on a golf course.   The 17th hole is one of the best holes that I have played.  The par 3s are all incredibly good.  I have been told by a huge Flynn fan that it compares favorably with the best of Flynn in Philadelphia.  Brookside has some of the best greens in the world, let alone Ohio.  Further, with the tree removal, the views are now incredible.  Play it before you play the bigger name Ross courses in the state.  Neither CCPP or Brookside should be missed, unless you are just a top 100 guy.

Kinloch - I was expecting a good golf course.  I got what possibly was the best parkland course that I have ever played.  The rolling terrain is simply stunning and the strategic value of the golf holes make every round different.  One of the best courses in the US.

Lake Sunapee CC - this club has cleared a lot of trees lately and the Ross course really shines through now.   I know that NH golf gets passed by due to Massachusetts great golf.  However, Lake Sunapee is a real treasure with great views and a diverse, varied golf course.  

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jeffwarne

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #171 on: December 02, 2014, 11:19:42 AM »
Northwest GC
Dunfanaghy
Returning to Killarney Mahoney's Point and discovering post GCA that I still loved it
Cruit-had heard a lot of negatives here and elsewhere
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #172 on: December 02, 2014, 11:35:18 AM »
Kinloch - I was expecting a good golf course.  I got what possibly was the best parkland course that I have ever played.  The rolling terrain is simply stunning and the strategic value of the golf holes make every round different.  One of the best courses in the US.

I know that Augusta is Augusta, but I don't need to play it or any other similar course, having played Kinloch. I concur 101%.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #173 on: December 02, 2014, 11:39:42 AM »
Kinloch - I was expecting a good golf course.  I got what possibly was the best parkland course that I have ever played.  The rolling terrain is simply stunning and the strategic value of the golf holes make every round different.  One of the best courses in the US.

I know that Augusta is Augusta, but I don't need to play it or any other similar course, having played Kinloch. I concur 101%.

Thus setting you up nicely to post ANGC as a "Most pleasant surprise" if and when you do get to play ;) ;D

which will no doubt please Ryan ;)
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Nick Spears

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Re: Your Top 5 Most Pleasant Surprises
« Reply #174 on: December 02, 2014, 11:55:09 PM »
Prairie Club
Donald Ross at French Lick
Erin Hills
The Harvester
Highlands of Elgin