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Ran Morrissett

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Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« on: April 05, 2013, 05:32:20 PM »
At the recent opening of Streamsong, I met several GCAers for the first time including this month’s Feature Interviewee, Chris Johnston, part owner and CEO of Dismal River Golf Club.

Barrel-chested and gregarious, Chris seems like the perfect owner for a remote private club – a people person who immediately makes you feel welcome. His candor and willingness to give solid answers to every question is exactly what is required to establish trust. I could never join a club and invest if there wasn’t transparency. Direct answers to pointed questions do way more for me in establishing that comfort than anything else. Chris accomplishes it because he answers from the heart rather than saying what you might like to hear.

His Feature Interview covers a variety of topics: the founding of Dismal River, the tweaks to the Nicklaus Course, the opening of the Doak Course, agronomy in the Sand Hills, and the finances of a private club in a remote (albeit dream) setting. Also, in a couple of spots, Chris highlights my favorite theme of the moment – value for money, something that private golf got away from and places like Dismal are trying to recapture. In short, there is something in this Feature Interview for everyone.

Building beside a great golf course creates a special challenge and increased peril. Be it Sebonack, Machrihanish Dunes, Renaissance Club, or the Nicklaus Course at Dismal, such courses often find that establishing their own status is more difficult. Human nature holds such courses to a higher standard because one of a very high standard is already ensconced.

Approximately 75 or so people who routinely post in this Discussion Group have played the Nicklaus Course and the range of their comments is broad and intriguing. Some call it the anti-Nicklaus Nicklaus Course, for instance  8). Like Old Head in Ireland, some issues have been remedied there after several rounds of modifications, especially around the greens where some harsh slopes have been softened. Does the Nicklaus Course that exists today get a fair shake?  I haven’t seen it and therefore can’t know, but it’s hard to imagine that a course with sandy soil, plenty of width, and wind, set amid rolling dunes and free of housing is not part of the Golfweek Modern Top 100.  ???

Now for a unique rub, a sister course is opening in that same tough neighborhood where the shadow of Sand Hills GC stretches so far and wide. I am referring to Dismal River’s Doak Course, a scant 7 miles from Sand Hills. What identity will it achieve versus the Nicklaus Course, versus Sand Hills? Coming after Coore & Crenshaw and Nicklaus what did Doak and his crew learn from those who preceded them? It will be quite interesting to determine and we can do so this June. One super neat and appealing aspect of the new course is that it finishes ~600 yards from where it starts (the architect wasn’t burdened by a routing requirement to begin and end at the clubhouse). This bodes extremely well, at least in my mind, as it demonstrates a commitment to building the best holes no matter where they meander. A second course makes a place a destination and can favorably impact its financial situation. Presumably that will be the case with the Doak Course at Dismal River.

Comparing and contrasting two different architectural styles on adjacent properties will make for endlessly fascinating dinner conversation, especially as one partakes of the fine local beef. The Minimalist Camp will snipe at a Nicklaus Design for leaving too heavy a footprint on the land. The Nicklaus Camp will always suggest that the minimalists don’t provide enough strategic dilemma, especially for the elite player. Appreciating the two different philosophies and how they bring about good golf is extremely compelling. Any student of architecture – as well as golfers at large – should love sorting out such stuff. Forget what you read – go, experience the difference and make your own determination!


The Sand Hills region of Nebraska and the Dismal River Valley beckon all golfers. A plethora of long views await and cause the itinerant golfer’s spirit to soar.

While I haven’t been to Dismal River, a visit to Sand Hills Golf Club is, as has been stated by many people before, akin to religion: an intoxicating, invigorating experience, especially for the weary soul. There exists a spiritual, almost surreal, connection to those majestic sand hills, wind-swept, shaped and reshaped over the millennia by the whim and fury of Mother Nature. In the company of friends, the sport of golf has nothing finer to offer. We should all strive to visit such fantastic spots from time to time as few things are as liberating as the great outdoors.

Just as Streamsong garnered much attention within this Discussion Group at the start of the year, I imagine the spotlight will rightly shift to Nebraska this June. This Feature Interview with Chris’s detailed responses nicely lays the groundwork for those deliberations.

Best,

P.S. I would like to thank Jaeger Kovich and Zach Varty for the use of their photos throughout the Feature Interview.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2013, 03:19:22 AM by Ran Morrissett »

Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 12:10:27 AM »
When I sat next to Eric Smith at "Thaw out" in February 2012, at his aunts house, he told me of this magical place in the sandhills of Nebraska.
Next thing I know, Chris Shaida and I have a plan to attend the 5th Major at Dismal River.
There, we of course met CJ, who showed us the heart and soul of the club. I just fell in love with the place.
CJ, I'm proud to be a member of the tribe, thanks to Mac, Eric, and you.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2013, 09:42:39 AM »
I enjoyed the interview and the candid answers.

Thanks, Ran and Chris.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Joel_Stewart

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2013, 12:37:21 PM »
It gives excellent insight on the details of the club and the construction of the new course, something I personally enjoy.  The Al Jamieson interview about Cal Club was similar.

I was lucky enough to meet Chris at the Ren Cup and played with him for 9 holes on the Red course.  After meeting him I'm more inclined to visit Dismal and see the new course.

Thanks Chris and good luck at Dismal River.

Eric Smith

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2013, 01:52:39 PM »
Thanks for the interview, I really enjoyed it.

Question for Chris: who took the photo of 17 from the other side of the river? I love it!


Joel_Stewart

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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 05:06:11 PM »
Thanks for the interview, I really enjoyed it.

Question for Chris: who took the photo of 17 from the other side of the river? I love it!

Thats a pretty hole.  Lays on the ground perfectly.   It doesn't look like it has any bunkers but over the green would be dead.

What's the length?


Chris Johnston

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 05:54:44 PM »
Eric - I'm pretty sure the pic of #17 was taken by Zach Varty.  If not Zack, then Jaeger Kovich.

Its a really cool hole with a blind tee shot and a downhill second shot either from a left to right sloping lie on the right side of the fairway, or a flat lie from the left side.  Joel is correct, over the green is not good.  17 green was built by Brian Schneider.  You can also see 18 in the distance and 9 coming in from the middle left of the photo.

The picture was taken from the bluffs I described in my narrative, the eastern side of Little Horseshoe Hill.  Very big features.

Mike Sweeney

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2013, 07:14:22 PM »
Chris,

Great interview and thanks for sharing. When I start to make fun of John Kavanaugh for being a "typical GCAer" as a member of a Doak course this summer, please don't read too much into it.  :D

Tom_Doak

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2013, 07:18:17 PM »
Thats a pretty hole.  Lays on the ground perfectly.   It doesn't look like it has any bunkers but over the green would be dead.

What's the length?



Joel:

I believe the 17th hole is 450 yards, if you tee it up right at the back of the 16th green, which is intended to be the back tee.  It's a blind carry up onto the bluff, and if you hit it right, the ball slides way down the slope in the picture, yielding a very different angle into the green.

There is a small bunker to the right of the green, down the slope, which is hidden by the cedar tree in this photo.  At least, I think it's still there, if it didn't get grown over.

Chris Johnston

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2013, 08:13:47 PM »
Tom,

The greenside bunker is still there...you can see it just to the right of the tree you mentioned...the photo angle is tricky.  It was actually home to a few deer this winter.

CJ
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Sam Morrow

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2013, 01:24:53 AM »
To me Chris will always be in camo cargo shorts and some Jesus sandals.

Chris Johnston

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2013, 08:19:25 AM »
All:

The course opened last August for preview play to get input and responses - visits surged!  I would think it had to be close to a start-to-open record.  Thank goodness for sand and great people!

Preview play through 2013 while we polish things up.

Sam - I have lost some weight and and will have brand new camo cargo shorts.  Same sandals. 

Mike Policano

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2013, 11:19:06 AM »
Chris and Ran,

Very good interview. Chris, best of luck. Given your support of small niche golf companies, let me know if my buddy Tim can send you more divot tools. He also made the wooden sign that sits in your clubhouse.

Cheers, Mike

Dan Herrmann

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2013, 11:25:28 AM »
Thanks for the great interview.  Chris is a fantastic person for Dismal River, and with his team, produces a world-class product.   If it wasn't for the economy, I'd be a member by now, and hope to be in the future.

Chris Johnston

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2013, 11:45:04 AM »
Mike - loved the divot tool!  Who do I contact?

Dan - We'll save a spot for you guys.  Can't imagine a better couple than you and Laura.

Don_Mahaffey

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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2013, 10:38:07 PM »
When I had the chance to work at Wolf Point from the beginning to completion to playing golf, I thought I'd had a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Dismal River II was like that, only the land and soil was way better. Tom and his guys are not afraid to challenge the status quo and while there where many challenges, it was fun to work through the process.

The golf course is outstanding. I'm not a rater, but I have a hard time believing it doesn't belong in the "best in US" conversation. It really is that good. If anything it may be a little bold for some. But everything out there is bold and this golf course fits in perfectly. 

Jud_T

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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2013, 08:34:24 AM »
You had me at "Poker Table".  That alone justifies, and possibly finances, membership.  8)  Favorite quote:  "With Sand Hills seven miles away, and Tom’s own Ballyneal not too far away in the next state, the site, routing, and project really had to be “that good”.  If the new course couldn’t be outstanding, I’m certain Tom would have politely declined."  Road Trip!
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Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Josh Tarble

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2013, 10:12:36 AM »
Fantastic interview!  Makes me really sad I can't make the 5th Major this year. 

I can only hope I'll be lucky enough to make it out there one day.

Dan Herrmann

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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2013, 10:46:09 AM »
Jud - they also have a sweet "home" theater that's HUGE.

And, yeah, the golf is sublime, but that fire pit at night should be on everybody's bucket list.

Terry Lavin

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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2013, 12:11:38 PM »
The Nicklaus course at DR is a blast, a great cartball wonder, but it's the rest of the experience that really stands out.  The whole area is just amazing, of course, but the clubhouse, the bar and theater area, the fire pit, the cabins are all first-class and fun.  That's the overriding term, the club is just fun.  A lot of that is attributable to Chris, a guy who understands hospitality.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Thomas Dai

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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2013, 01:20:29 PM »
Very interesting interview. Great looking landscape/terrain. Four and a half month season and very large size maintenance facility noted plus comment about 70plus member staff accommodation or have I misinterpreted?

The photo from the 17th tee is terrific. Is this tee sited on the same bluff as you look up towards in the photo that accompanies Rans introductory post for the interview? Also, are the 4 buildings in the top right hand corner of the 17th hole photo the clubhouse/lodges or something else?

All the best.

Chris Johnston

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2013, 01:46:55 PM »
Very interesting interview. Great looking landscape/terrain. Four and a half month season and very large size maintenance facility noted plus comment about 70plus member staff accommodation or have I misinterpreted?

The photo from the 17th tee is terrific. Is this tee sited on the same bluff as you look up towards in the photo that accompanies Rans introductory post for the interview?  The 4 buildings in the top right hand corner of the 17th hole photo the clubhouse/lodges or something else?

All the best.

Thomas,

The tees on #17 are outside the bottom left corner of the photo.The 4 buildings are our 4br Signature Cabins, and the Clubhouse is to the right of those cabins.  The views to the cabins/clubhouse and from them back to the course are pretty cool.

CJ

Cliff Walston

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2013, 03:08:35 PM »
When I sat next to Eric Smith at "Thaw out" in February 2012, at his aunts house, he told me of this magical place in the sandhills of Nebraska.
Next thing I know, Chris Shaida and I have a plan to attend the 5th Major at Dismal River.
There, we of course met CJ, who showed us the heart and soul of the club. I just fell in love with the place.
CJ, I'm proud to be a member of the tribe, thanks to Mac, Eric, and you.


Similar story for me.  I was able to attend the 5th Major at the last minute, which was the first time I had ever attended a GCA event or been to the sandhills region.  Eric graciously paired me with Ron Hendren, who would go on to generously sponsor me for membership.  I met Eric, CJ, and the gang.  Got to participate in the course tour with Tom Doak.  It was one of the best golf experiences I have ever had.  I was blown away by the courses, facilities, and everything that Chris has assembled there, including the man himself.  Joined shortly thereafter for the 2013 season.  Can't wait. 


Jim Nugent

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Re: Feature Interview with Chris Johnston is posted
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2013, 02:46:37 AM »
Chris, if the club really prospers, is there any chance you'll build a third course, either full-size or par 3?  If so, I'm curious which architects might be in the running.  I would think Sand Hills might rule out C&C.   

Jerry Kluger

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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2013, 08:14:39 AM »
Great to hear that things are going well and really look forward to playing the Doak course.  I originally saw the course just as it had opened for play and it seems that all of the problems have been resolved which is really encouraging.  Best of luck and I look forward to meeting Chris.