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jeffwarne

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GCA Rollback Vote-Final Bump
« Reply #50 on: April 06, 2013, 08:31:45 AM »
Final Bump to the Top, results tabulated tomorow
Thanks
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Tim Bert

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2013, 09:09:08 AM »
I don't think a tournament ball is practical because of corporations and sponsorships, but I would be in favor of tournament balls (plural) meaning bifurcation of the specs between tournament and non-tournament, but still allow each brand to make their own tournament spec ball.

Bart Bradley

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2013, 09:10:42 AM »
No rollback on the average player, tournament ball.

Bart

Brett_Morrissy

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2013, 09:46:18 AM »
Rollback 1

Nasty spinning balata for all pro tournaments
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2013, 09:49:57 AM »
Rollback, option 2

Steve Lang

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2013, 09:57:33 AM »
 8) bifurcation, and no pros allowed to team with gca's on golf course designs
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Adam Clayman

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2013, 10:14:43 AM »
Corner the rubber market and go back to the rubber band wound ball. The early 60's balata types that would go out of round just by looking at them. Dogs everywhere, will once again be entertained for hours, when those bands start to dance their dance. Mannies could only benefit from a ball that needs to be replaced sooner.
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Jon Wiggett

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I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, but I would prefer a less intrusive solutions.  Given that, I would at least like to try

No rollback - tournament ball

Ciao

Gringo has got it spot on. It would be great if ANGC were introduce such a ball for the Masters. I bet none of the players would complain and they would not have the legal challenges that would surely come if R&A/USGA ruled on this.

Jon

Steve Wilson

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2013, 01:21:40 PM »
Rollback 1
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Jason Topp

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2013, 07:45:56 AM »
Rollback 1.  I don't see why an advantage in clubhead speed delivered solidly should be punished.

I disagree with the earlier comments that the ball goes exponentially farther at higher swing speeds.  The data demonstrates otherwise - that yardage is about 2.5 yards for each 1 mph of swing speed on a ball hit solidly.

It may go exponentially farther than it did in the days of balata - which might look more like rollback 2.

I've always wondered what the results would be if the old dimple pattern was mandated.  Does anyone remember when the number of dimples on a ball was a trivia question?

mike_beene

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2013, 11:48:30 PM »
No rollback and no bifurcation.

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #61 on: April 08, 2013, 06:06:15 AM »
Rollback
Option 1

Thomas Dai

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #62 on: April 08, 2013, 06:09:38 AM »
First step regulate the size of the tee-peg, make it very short. Cheap and simple to do and enforce. If that fails, and in time, it likely will, then go to measures like a roll-back ball.

All the best.

Paul Gray

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2013, 06:27:34 AM »
No roll-back. But with the strict understanding that enough is now enough.
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Jud_T

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2013, 06:44:38 AM »
No rollback- Tournament ball
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jeffwarne

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #65 on: April 08, 2013, 08:35:17 AM »
No roll-back. But with the strict understanding that enough is now enough.

Paul, are you with the USGA? ;)  ;D


Reminds me of the Robin Williams skit (Or maybe it was El Guapo in The Three Amigos)
This is de line of death--Do not cross it...( moves 3 steps back) ..."THIS is de line of death DO not cross it"....... (runs 5 steps backwards)
ThIS IS DE LINE OF DEATH" (sprints 10 more yards) ....THIS IS DE...........
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Brent Hutto

Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #66 on: April 08, 2013, 08:38:50 AM »
Yes, that was Robin Williams in his HBO special. Imitating the late M. Khaddafi (sp?).

Jim Colton

Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #67 on: April 08, 2013, 08:52:16 AM »
I'm assuming the tournament ball will also be commercially available? If so, I'll go no rollback, tourney ball.

Brian Finn

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #68 on: April 08, 2013, 10:00:06 PM »
No rollback
Tournament ball

Tough call, but ultimately view this as an issue limited almost entirely to high level competition.
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Doug Siebert

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #69 on: April 09, 2013, 08:48:55 PM »
First step regulate the size of the tee-peg, make it very short. Cheap and simple to do and enforce. If that fails, and in time, it likely will, then go to measures like a roll-back ball.

All the best.


Would this matter AT ALL for pros and better amateurs?  These guys can hit 460cc drivers well off a closely mown fairway, so I doubt that a short tee is going to be a problem for them.  It would hurt poorer players far more than it would good players, which I think is highly undesirable.
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Dave McCollum

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #70 on: April 15, 2013, 01:48:07 PM »
So, what were the totals?

Thomas Dai

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #71 on: April 15, 2013, 04:24:19 PM »
I kinda take the point about how low tee pegs might hurt poorer players, although the lessor player managed for decades when pegs were a lot shorter, and even when teeing-up was on a pinch of sand, and if someone is that poor a player, well I'm not sure much is gonna help them at all.

However, I don't think Dustin Johnson could have hit that 357 yd tee shot over the trees and corner on the 13th at ANGC last week with a very short tee peg.

The lower tee peg idea is meant to be simple method of undertaking rollback without the vast costs etc associated with new ball developments etc. I think its appropriateness has been raised before, particularly by Peter Thompson and Nick Faldo. I doubt it will work for years and years and years but as an intermin step in the period whilst formal discussions/agreements take place about revisions to ball specifications etc it is a potentially viable approach to adopt.

All the best.

Bill Brightly

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Re: GCA Rollback/No Rollback Vote Now-Final Bump
« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2013, 04:38:19 PM »
Rollback #2