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Mark_Amundson

Sutton Bay - The New Course
« on: March 05, 2013, 04:10:41 PM »
Greetings from the cold and snowy north.  I have not posted anything in quite some time but thought I would provide everyone an update on Sutton Bay.  There have been many discussions in the past about the course, the club, the issues we have had with our land, etc.  I will try and give everyone the facts so as we get into the 2013 season there will be no confusion as to what has been done and where we are today.

We open May 15th this year and when we open we will be doing so with a completely new 18 hole golf course designed by Graham Marsh.  The ownership group, in the early spring of 2011 decided that is was necessary to build a new golf course as we were not winning the battle with Mother Nature and the land shifts on the original course just continued to get worse.  The owners felt it was their responsibility to provide the members with a world class golf course because that is what we told all of our members we would have.  Thus, we built the new course and a new halfway house (Swampy's Shack) without doing any sort of an assessment to the membership.  The project was about $4 million to complete and we are going to build a complete practice facility this year very near the new course so that our members will have a place to work on their short games as well as pound balls.  This project was completely funded by the ownership group of Sutton Bay.

This was not an easy decision as we were all vested in the original course and the uniqueness and quality of golf it offered our members and their guests.  However, as the slips progressed the quality of golf was diminished to a point we had no choice.  None of us wanted this to happen nor did any of us ever think that we would build a new golf course and have it open for play within 11 years of opening the club.  You can ask all the questions you want about why it happened.  The constant changing levels on Lake Oahe played a part, the fact that the land where the golf course sat was prehistoric "rubble" played a part, and the irrigation of the golf course played a part.  Nobody could have foreseen the rate at which the shifts took place and sometime you have to just come to the conclusion "shit happens", deal with it and move on.  Move on we have, and we and all of our members are excited about the future of golf at Sutton Bay.  By the way, the club had its best year in 2011 followed by its best year in 2012, even with the golf course issues, thus solidifying in our minds that Sutton Bay is a private destination club that offers golf, hunting, fishing, lodging, great food, and many other activities and amenities.

Graham Marsh designed the new course on the mesa above the original course and Landscapes Unlimited constructed the new course.  The design was intended to retain some of the features of the original course and also take advantage of the opportunity to "build" a new course as opposed to "finding" a course as we did originally.  We moved about 250,000 cubic yards of earth to create the new course but it feels very natural.  The front nine retained the feature of an "out and back" nine where the first 5 holes run to the north and the last 4 run back to the south.  The back nine holes run in all 4 primary compass directions and take advantage of the natural elevation changes and the uniqueness of the prairie.  There are extraordinary lake views from many of the holes as well as new sweeping views of the prairie and of the clubhouse.  The course is very walkable which the first one was not.  The course has no rocks on it as opposed to the original course having millions.  The new course has 360 degree views whereas the old course was limited in the directions you could see.  The new course is designed in such a manner that the ground game is in play, and in fact, the green surrounds are planted in fescue so we can maintain the grass in such a manner that you can putt from 20-30 yards or further off the green.  The new halfway house is truly a halfway house and sits in a place that offers a spectacular view and the 18th finishes just below it.  There is a drivable par 4 on each nine, there is a long par 3 on each nine, there is a wide variety of lengths of par 4's and par 5's, and depending on the wind, some will play like the other certain days.  The original course was very challenging off the tee and many players lost a large number of golf balls throughout the round.  The new course offers plenty of room and has less elevation change which enables people to keep the ball in play more easily.  The old course had greens with tilt but not a great deal of undulation, the new course, because it is built on a more level piece of ground, has many more undulations in the greens and the green surrounds.  All of these things in total will offer our members and their guests a fun golfing experience and at the same time will offer the low handicap player a challenge. 

We opened 9 holes of the new course this past July and 3 more holes in early September.  The final 6 holes will open for play when we open on May 15th this year.  As with all new courses there are areas that need more attention and will take some time to get grown in so that we have high quality playing conditions.  The greens are already in excellent condition and were running 11-12 last fall and were fairly receptive to shots.  The entire course was aerified and top dressed this past fall which will help immensely this year.  The biggest challenge we have in front of us will be establishing the native grasses in the areas where we had to plant them.  2012 was the driest summer in the history of South Dakota thus making it impossible to establish all the native areas as we would have liked.  Realistically it will take 2-4 years to get all the native established the way we want but the low mow blue fairways and tees, fescue surrounds, and T1/Alpha greens should be in very good condition this year.

I would welcome discussion about the process and will be very up front with everyone with my answers.  I will post a few pictures of the new course that will at least give you a flavor of what the new course looks like and the challenges it has to offer those who tee it up.  I confess that I do not know how to post pictures to this site so if someone could submit a simple set of directions I will post 5-6 pictures.

For those of you who like to travel, and I know many of you do, I would welcome you to call or email me (605-359-6911 cell or 605-264-5530 office, email - mamundson@suttonbay.com) and I will try and work with you to find a time to visit Sutton Bay this year and play the new course.  I hope this post will answer some of your questions and stir up some questions and discussions in the coming weeks.

Regards:  Mark Amundson




 

Michael Dugger

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2013, 04:23:12 PM »
Let me be the first to say that is very stand up of y'all to build a new course.  Can't wait to see those picts!

What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Dan Kelly

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2013, 04:24:30 PM »
Wonderful news, Mark.

I can't wait to get out there.

Thanks for your outstanding hospitality, every time we've been there.

Dan
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Rick Shefchik

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2013, 04:31:06 PM »
Wishing you all the luck in the world with the new course, Mark. We will deeply miss the original course, but it appears you have looked at this as an opportunity, rather than a catastrophe.
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Dan Kelly

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 04:41:22 PM »
We will deeply miss the original course, but it appears you have looked at this as an opportunity, rather than a catastrophe.


Hear, hear.

You and I will both have *extremely* fond memories of the original course -- as, I'm sure, does everyone else who had the privilege to play it.

I will never forget the holes -- and will always be especially sorry that these holes are NLE:

No. 2 (great semi-blind drop-shot par-3 with LONG, skinny green), No. 3 (wonderful fallaway skyline green), No. 4 (not my favorite hole, but the site of my all-time-favorite shot -- an 8-iron from 225 that rolled about 80 yards to about 2 feet), No. 6 (fine uphill cross-chasm par-3), No. 8 (down-and-up, cross-country voyage of a par-5, with a monster green), No. 9 (spectacular par-3, in spectacular setting), No. 15 (another marvelous par-5, with a beguiling green), No. 16 (with its mystical tilted green -- where I missed 10 feet right and Mark Amundson missed 10 feet left), and No. 17 (demanding par-3 in an unforgettable desert setting).

Anyone who wants pictures of the original course is welcome to visit my photobucket site: http://s175.beta.photobucket.com/user/kellys17_photos/library/Sutton%20Bay%202003%20to%202009

Dan

P.S. Charlie will miss No. 13, site of his ace-in-the-sun -- but he has a fine picture of the hole in his office, thanks to you.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2013, 05:23:35 PM by Dan Kelly »
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Jason Topp

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 04:42:58 PM »
Best of luck Mark.  I hope the place thrives.

HarryBrinkerhoffDoyleIV_aka_Barry

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2013, 04:50:27 PM »
Congratulations Mark!  You guys are first class all the way.  The first course was absolutely outstanding.  The location is incredibly special.  I can't wait to come out and visit again!  Congratulations!

Rick Shefchik

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2013, 04:59:48 PM »
Charlie will miss No. 13, site of his ace-in-the-sun -- but he has a fine picture of the hole in his office, thanks to you.



When asked how many holes-in-one I've witnessed, I have to put an asterisk next to that one. I think we searched the full five minutes before somebody thought to look in the hole.
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Dan Kelly

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2013, 05:04:23 PM »
Charlie will miss No. 13, site of his ace-in-the-sun -- but he has a fine picture of the hole in his office, thanks to you.



When asked how many holes-in-one I've witnessed, I have to put an asterisk next to that one. I think we searched the full five minutes before somebody thought to look in the hole.

I think it was four minutes and 59 seconds. (Emoticon omitted.)
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2013, 05:09:58 PM »
Congratulations on the soon to be grand opening Mark
Looked like lots of room to have fun

For how long or at what expense did you repair the original course?

Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2013, 05:12:47 PM »
As others have said, and I agree, we will miss that first edition golf course.  It had spectacular scenery and some very excellent designed holes.  It really was one of the most fun golf experiences I have had, including the accomodations and CH facility.

But, Mark and the team of Graham Marsh and Mr. Kubly at Landscapes also made it great.  

I hope I'll see the new project soon.  

Wishing them a strong rebound and nothing but the best of outcomes.

 
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Mark_Amundson

Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2013, 05:24:03 PM »
Thanks to all of you for your well wishes, I am confident that our members and their guests will enjoy the course for years to come.  Mike, we fixed things for a number of years to the tune of many hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Most courses have 1-2 irrigation breaks or less each year, we averaged more than 100 per year each year for the last 3.  Also, the amount of sod work our crew did was amazing.  I can tell all of you that if not for our entire crew it would have been impossible to keep it together as well as we did the last 2 years, they did an incredible job.

Ok, not sure if this will work but I am going to try and post 4-5 pictures and see if they can be viewed.

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/Users/markamundson/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Masters/2012/10/02/20121002-075644/4017721f-ba60-4399-9920-19a02cce622a.jpeg
/Users/markamundson/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Masters/2012/10/02/20121002-075644/4017721f-ba60-4399-9920-19a02cce622a.jpeg

The first picture is of hole #1 from the landing area and #8 green is in the background as they make up a double green.  The second picture is of Hole #2 green site looking from the fairway, the third picture is of #7, a long par three, and the last one is of hole #4, a drivable par 4.

Hope this works!!

Paul Jones

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2013, 05:24:23 PM »
Mark,

When I visited Sutton Bay about 5 years ago, it was a great experience.  Looking forward to learning more about the new course.

Congrats !!!

Paul
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Mark_Amundson

Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2013, 05:25:44 PM »
Does not look like the pictures are viewable.  I will wait until someone smarter than me writes directions that I can follow!  Sorry.

Jason Topp

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2013, 05:28:56 PM »

Mark_Amundson

Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2013, 05:37:06 PM »
Jason, thanks for the thread.  I have never used Flickr or photobucket either so when I have a bit more time I will dig in and figure it out.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2013, 05:46:24 PM »
Charlie will miss No. 13, site of his ace-in-the-sun -- but he has a fine picture of the hole in his office, thanks to you.



When asked how many holes-in-one I've witnessed, I have to put an asterisk next to that one. I think we searched the full five minutes before somebody thought to look in the hole.

I think it was four minutes and 59 seconds. (Emoticon omitted.)

It could have been five minutes and 59 seconds and it would matter not. Once the ball is holed, the play of the hole is ended and whatever else you do is meaningless. The only way that I know of to take away a hole-in-one is to not be able to distinctly identify the ball in the hole as being yours if you did not see it go in the hole.

Best wishes for all at Sutton Bay.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jim Colton

Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2013, 06:06:44 PM »
Mark,

  Were you able to salvage sod from the old course and put it to use on the new course?

  Best of luck to all involved at Sutton Bay.

  Jim

David_Elvins

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2013, 06:09:41 PM »
Mark,

Was any of the land on the old course considered for incorporation into the new course? 
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Mark_Amundson

Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2013, 06:19:52 PM »
Jim, we used a great deal of sod from the old course and in fact will keep 1-2 holes watered until we use up all the sod we have down there or are not in need of anymore.  We have also harvested the irrigation heads from below and will continue all summer doing that.  We cored out the old greens and used that material for top dressing the new course and mixed that with the sand from some of the bunkers on the old course.  We will be a innovative as possible for the next year or so.  We did not harvest any of the bent grass from the greens because we planted a different bent.  We did sell some of the old bent to a course in our area.

David, no, we did not and could not use any of the old course for the new course as there would be a high risk that the slipping would continue and we would have the same problem all over again.  The old course has been put to rest and our attention has turned to the new course and all our efforts will be to get the new course in great condition.

astavrides

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2013, 06:48:17 PM »
Nobody could have foreseen the rate at which the shifts took place and sometime you have to just come to the conclusion "shit happens", deal with it and move on.  

shift happens.
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2013, 06:55:47 PM »
For ease, here is a link to Sutton Bay's website.

http://www.suttonbay.com/index.php

I'm not sure those are photos of the new course, but regardless that entire club looks amazing.


EDIT...as noted below, these photos are of the new course.  (Place looks great!!)
« Last Edit: March 05, 2013, 07:40:48 PM by Mac Plumart »
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2013, 07:15:31 PM »
Wow, the 14 photos on the web page of new holes and corridors, looks very good.  I think there must have been some very talented shaping going on there, given the impression I got driving by the top mesa land going into the old course, looked pretty flat and unremakable. 

Mark, you'll have to tell us the name(s) of the shapers from LU were when you post more photos of their work.  Did any of them work at Prairie Club shaping for Swampy's design?
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Mark_Amundson

Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2013, 07:39:20 PM »
Mac, yes those pictures on the website are of the NEW COURSE.  I have more and will post them as I go.  RJ, we did have some talented shapers and Graham did a masterful job of design.  He had very detailed plans for this course, as opposed to the first one, and the shapers followed things very nicely.

Scott Weersing

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Re: Sutton Bay - The New Course
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2013, 08:12:20 PM »
It looks like Sutton Bay can be best new course once again for 2013!

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