AAC III - Ready, set, go! Open for Submissions (March 15 deadline)

[Steve Lang]

  Jim, things look like 20 ft topos on your try.. 5 lines between 3300 adn 3400 ft and 4 between 3400 and the 3486 high point..

I'm still routing, on my 4th course on site (yes i was the one who routed the 45 hole walk in the park entry for the aac2)

Methodology:

- keeping to the one main topo,
- converted pic to adobe acrobat file,
- use acrobat's ruler to measure stick lines, use acrobat's pencil to draw greens and tees and traps
- copy paste into powerpoint for adding tables, narrative
- final print as pdf

[Josh Tarble]

Josh,

  I'll try to fix that tonight. Thanks for the heads up.

  Jim

Jim, I don't think it's a huge deal. Just wanted to make sure everyone else caught it as well. Thanks for the work on the second topo...although it may have brought up some issues in my routing 

[Brett_Morrissy]

Methodology:

- keeping to the one main topo,
- converted pic to adobe acrobat file,
- use acrbat's ruler to measure stick lines, use axrobat's pencil to draw greens and tees and traps
- copy paste into powerpoint for adding tables, narrative
- final print as pdf

Steve,
How do you establish the ruler scale or dimensions in photoshop?

All,

Have you all, or some of you, found yourself having to compromise between green to tee walking distance and hole length?

I am concerned that some of my walks are too long, and am thinking of adding a few yards to some of the holes - I then feel I am compromising my total course yardage, I suppose the essence of the issue is in two transition areas I have, being a little over 100 yards.
 
Do you guys think that those two transitions are acceptable for a). What I think are good holes and b). If the averages are around 45 & 55 yards over respective nines ?

Is it competition etiquette to be actually asking these questions? 
Thanks
BM

[Josh Tarble]

Brett,

I actually was a bit more concerned with the distance of my green to tee walks and most of mine are less than 20 yards but includes 1 or two over 50 yards.  However, that may have sacrificed a bit on the quality of a couple holes, but I wanted something completely walkable.

[Jeb Bearer]

I have struggled a little bit with green to tee walks as well, but the biggest challenge I have found is actually finding a balance between the walk forward to the regular and front tees and the distance of the hole from those tees -- something I hadn't previously considered that I now see can pose a major challenge to architects.

[Steve Lang]

Methodology:

- keeping to the one main topo,
- converted pic to adobe acrobat file,
- use acrbat's ruler to measure stick lines, use axrobat's pencil to draw greens and tees and traps
- copy paste into powerpoint for adding tables, narrative
- final print as pdf

Steve,
How do you establish the ruler scale or dimensions in photoshop?

All,

Have you all, or some of you, found yourself having to compromise between green to tee walking distance and hole length?

I am concerned that some of my walks are too long, and am thinking of adding a few yards to some of the holes - I then feel I am compromising my total course yardage, I suppose the essence of the issue is in two transition areas I have, being a little over 100 yards.
 
Do you guys think that those two transitions are acceptable for a). What I think are good holes and b). If the averages are around 45 & 55 yards over respective nines ?

Is it competition etiquette to be actually asking these questions? 
Thanks
BM

Brett, I don't use photoshop... I'm using full Acrobat program which has measuring and comment tools (note not Acrobat Reader which doesn;t have these tools)...

In regard to Competition etiquette, the aac2 was marred by someone who enterred and then pulled out and got Tom Doak among others to enter into design discussions of the site... that was bad.    i consider the etiquette question minor around methodology stuff and ok to discuss, but not club / design advise questions. 

[Alex Miller]

Methodology:

- keeping to the one main topo,
- converted pic to adobe acrobat file,
- use acrbat's ruler to measure stick lines, use axrobat's pencil to draw greens and tees and traps
- copy paste into powerpoint for adding tables, narrative
- final print as pdf

Steve,
How do you establish the ruler scale or dimensions in photoshop?

All,

Have you all, or some of you, found yourself having to compromise between green to tee walking distance and hole length?

I am concerned that some of my walks are too long, and am thinking of adding a few yards to some of the holes - I then feel I am compromising my total course yardage, I suppose the essence of the issue is in two transition areas I have, being a little over 100 yards.
 
Do you guys think that those two transitions are acceptable for a). What I think are good holes and b). If the averages are around 45 & 55 yards over respective nines ?

Is it competition etiquette to be actually asking these questions? 
Thanks
BM

I feel it's fair to say that a judge from the last competition wrote that green-tee transitions tend to average 50 yards. It's been discussed before on this site, though perhaps not findable with the search function. I'll leave it at that 

[Brett_Morrissy]

thanks Steve - Q: I have an old version of Acrobat - where is the measuring tool?

Thanks Alex,
I thought I read on a previous post about the green tee transitions being around that number - so that is good to have confirmed.

am really enjoying the process so far...

I did my initial stick routing - very, very general on my iPad.
then more carefully with pencil, pen and highlighter onto paper. I certainly find that easier to work.
Have now be trialling doing permanent/presentation routing on the Adobe products.

I also fiddled around with Google Earth 3D image and Sketchup, not only am I an absolute beginner and would take ages, it sounds as though no one is going to go to that level this time, which is really good.

thanks Alex (& Jim) for the work you have put in.

[Brett_Morrissy]

Is anybody using a scale ruler?

[V. Kmetz]

Is this what a crude thing looks like:



I intentionally gave you a shitty one, so it would get in your heads...

cheers

vk

[Matthew Rose]

Well, my ideal routing so far has an 18th hole that plays due west.... I might have to rethink that one.

I've decided that if I'm happy with the results, I'm going to create a playable version in Links 2003 and perhaps use that program for my detail examples.

[Neil White]

Alex,

I am in the last throes of finishing my routing.  How are you wanting the course routing to be sent to you?

Cheers,

Neil.

[Jim Colton]

Is this what a crude thing looks like:



I intentionally gave you a shitty one, so it would get in your heads...

cheers

vk

Vk,

"The entrance to the club must not come from the west (map is oriented with North up). You may site the clubhouse wherever you like."

[Alex Miller]

Alex,

I am in the last throes of finishing my routing.  How are you wanting the course routing to be sent to you?

Cheers,

Neil.

Email attachment in any format is fine. Eventually they will all be saved as some sort of image file (jpg, png, etc...) so if that is how they are sent it makes it all that much easier for me.

I don't want to accept anything before I am totally finished, which should be this weekend. I will make an announcement and send my stuff to a third party should we have similar routings and prompt questions  .

[Alex Miller]

With 1 week to go until our March 15th deadline, I will now open up for submissions. Just click on the email icon below my name and send it over.

Send me everything you have, and although I've expressed concerns I think we should try to have everyone's submissions viewable in their entirety.


I've also been thinking about how to do our first round of voting. I know I've had volunteers who've offered to help with online voting sites, but I've come up with an alternative idea that is not only more transparent, but more regulated and specialized. I will float it now, and if you guys think it will work we can use it.

Voting instructions:
Review the ~30 submissions which will be displayed without names, and pick 5 you would most like to see make it to the final round of judging. In reality we will take 8-10, but I think voters choosing their top 5 makes more sense and will give us a clearer picture.
Email me your votes. No voting for yourself, and only one vote per person. I will give you a number and tally your votes. After voting has closed I will announce the finalists and post a spreadsheet of the votes. Each person should be able to identify the ballot they cast while anonimity is preserved.

If this idea doesn't jive with anyone, let me know and we can think of an alternative. I know there are survey websites that gather data more efficiently, but for the purposes of this contest I think this would work well.

[Garland Bayley]

With 1 week to go until our March 15th deadline, I will now open up for submissions. Just click on the email icon below my name and send it over.

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There is no email icon below your name. Since you have access to your profile, it probably shows up when you look at the website, but not for anyone else.

[Alex Miller]

With 1 week to go until our March 15th deadline, I will now open up for submissions. Just click on the email icon below my name and send it over.

...

There is no email icon below your name. Since you have access to your profile, it probably shows up when you look at the website, but not for anyone else.

Fixed. Thank you!

[Garland Bayley]

With 1 week to go until our March 15th deadline, I will now open up for submissions. Just click on the email icon below my name and send it over.

...

There is no email icon below your name. Since you have access to your profile, it probably shows up when you look at the website, but not for anyone else.

Fixed. Thank you!

You are most welcome.

[Alex Miller]

Also, I wanted to ask if anyone was opposed to their name being attached to the entry. I know in years past we've waited on revealing names, but there is something to be said about reaping what you sow from your time on here and having your finished product bear your name. Real architects don't get the luxury of anonimity should they design a poorly reviewed course. 

If anyone has any concerns and is also unsure about expressing them in this thread, feel free to PM/

[Steve Lang]

  I don't care if names are included, but it did add an element of fun, trying to figure out who submitted what... as i would hope that no one competing is a real architect!

p.s. i see no wherein the aac3 setup that one can't enter more than one entry?

[Alex Miller]

I don't care if names are included, but it did add an element of fun, trying to figure out who submitted what... as i would hope that no one competing is a real architect!

p.s. i see no wherein the aac3 setup that one can't enter more than one entry?

Um... was anyone planning on entering more than one?

Most everyone is listed as a participant and I don't know of multiple entries in the past. If you have more than one, just pick your favorite. If you can't pick a favorite, then logic would dictate you never had the best entry to begin with. 

[Jeb Bearer]

I don't care if names are included, but it did add an element of fun, trying to figure out who submitted what... as i would hope that no one competing is a real architect!

p.s. i see no wherein the aac3 setup that one can't enter more than one entry?

Um... was anyone planning on entering more than one?

Most everyone is listed as a participant and I don't know of multiple entries in the past. If you have more than one, just pick your favorite. If you can't pick a favorite, then logic would dictate you never had the best entry to begin with. 

Unless you came up with two courses better than everyone else 

[Brett_Morrissy]

I don't care if names are included, but it did add an element of fun, trying to figure out who submitted what... as i would hope that no one competing is a real architect!

p.s. i see no wherein the aac3 setup that one can't enter more than one entry?

Ahh, Steve, familiar issue I imagine, you have some multiple routings and you are just not sure if you have picked the best one...I'll bet that is how many involved in a brand new project do actually feel !

end of the day, you have to choose one.  

[Jim Colton]

I think we should keep the entries relatively standardized and anonymously numbered for the first round (say one whole course overview). Then let the judges sort through the full course packages.

[Jeb Bearer]

Should we submit entries on the original map, the detailed map, or does it matter?