AAC III - Ready, set, go! Open for Submissions (March 15 deadline)

[Brett_Morrissy]

Jim, can I ask to what kind of level you are at to be 'done'?
Just stick lines for routing?
Have you used sketch up or similar?
cheers
BM

[Alex Miller]

Ok, we'll set the deadline for March 15th.


Josh,

I've been thinking abot what would be best to submit. I think if everyone submits one stick routing and then one zoomed in version with the holes drawn out in more detail. What do you think?

I'm a little confused about what this means, the "zoomed in" part. Is this one image with the routing superimposed over the map, basically the stick routing with mowing lines and hazards shown? Or is it 18 images, a detail plan for each hole? Thanks.

Basically the stick with mowing lines and hazards shown. I am thinking about drawing the green plans out too separately, but it's really up to you.

[Jim Colton]

Brett, done with sticks and with drawing out the holes. I drew holes on top of the topo w/ Gimp. One thing that helped was rescaling the topo so 100 pixels was roughly equivalent to 100 yards on the topo. So I could tell how far my potential shots were when mapping out the routing.

[Matthew Essig]

I have been so swamped from school, sports, work, and service that I have barely started.... 

[Brett_Morrissy]

Jim,
so do they look like, or are you planning for it to look like the Ballyneo presentation?
http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,44267.0/

[Jim Colton]

Brett,

I don't think there will be that level of detail, since it doesn't utilize sketchup you wouldn't be able to show pictures of the holes from different angles. I wasn't planning to do anything fancy -- my hope is that best routing and not prettiest presentation wins.

Maybe somebody else will chime in with their approach.

[Matthew Essig]

Brett,

I don't think there will be that level of detail, since it doesn't utilize sketchup you wouldn't be able to show pictures of the holes from different angles. I wasn't planning to do anything fancy -- my hope is that best routing and not prettiest presentation wins.

Maybe somebody else will chime in with their approach.

To make it equal in terms of presentation, why not make everyone just take a picture of their best pencil on paper routing?

[Alex Miller]

Brett,

I don't think there will be that level of detail, since it doesn't utilize sketchup you wouldn't be able to show pictures of the holes from different angles. I wasn't planning to do anything fancy -- my hope is that best routing and not prettiest presentation wins.

Maybe somebody else will chime in with their approach.

To make it equal in terms of presentation, why not make everyone just take a picture of their best pencil on paper routing?

Matthew,

Although Jim is using software, I don't anticipate what he's submitting to have an inherent advantage over anything that could be done from pen to paper. Sometimes hand-drawn can look better, but it depends on the person and their abilities. Part of what makes an architect great is how artistic they are too. Also the judges definitely have sufficient knowledge and discernability to pick a winner from quality of routing, design, and overall plan (I'm underselling here too  ). Jim's entry last time was really really good, so if he does win I definitely would not assume it's for having the "prettiest" presentation.

Jim,
Out of curiosity, did you hand draw and then use the software to enhance, or did you draw the whole thing by mouse or stylus?


I'll share what I'm doing: A stick routing; more detailed drawings of the holes using the zoomed-in quadrants, scanning, and stitching them together; a separate page with green diagrams showing slope and a blurb about the strategy of the golf hole.
So far I am done with the stick routing and am drawing out the holes right now.

[Bill Brightly]

The firm of Brightly & Brightly has completed their plan.

My brother drew it and did all the work and I have access to post on GCA.COM. That gets me co-designer status and my name on the scorecard, right?

[Matthew Essig]

Brett,

I don't think there will be that level of detail, since it doesn't utilize sketchup you wouldn't be able to show pictures of the holes from different angles. I wasn't planning to do anything fancy -- my hope is that best routing and not prettiest presentation wins.

Maybe somebody else will chime in with their approach.

To make it equal in terms of presentation, why not make everyone just take a picture of their best pencil on paper routing?

Matthew,

Although Jim is using software, I don't anticipate what he's submitting to have an inherent advantage over anything that could be done from pen to paper. Sometimes hand-drawn can look better, but it depends on the person and their abilities. Part of what makes an architect great is how artistic they are too. Also the judges definitely have sufficient knowledge and discernability to pick a winner from quality of routing, design, and overall plan (I'm underselling here too  ). Jim's entry last time was really really good, so if he does win I definitely would not assume it's for having the "prettiest" presentation.

Jim,
Out of curiosity, did you hand draw and then use the software to enhance, or did you draw the whole thing by mouse or stylus?


I'll share what I'm doing: A stick routing; more detailed drawings of the holes using the zoomed-in quadrants, scanning, and stitching them together; a separate page with green diagrams showing slope and a blurb about the strategy of the golf hole.
So far I am done with the stick routing and am drawing out the holes right now.

I'm sorry if it sounded like I was saying that using software was an advantage of winning. I'm not saying that. I am doing this competition because it is what I love and want to do in the future. I could care less if someone else uses software. If they beat me, software or not, I will just have to do better next time.

[Alex Miller]

Brett,

I don't think there will be that level of detail, since it doesn't utilize sketchup you wouldn't be able to show pictures of the holes from different angles. I wasn't planning to do anything fancy -- my hope is that best routing and not prettiest presentation wins.

Maybe somebody else will chime in with their approach.

To make it equal in terms of presentation, why not make everyone just take a picture of their best pencil on paper routing?

Matthew,

Although Jim is using software, I don't anticipate what he's submitting to have an inherent advantage over anything that could be done from pen to paper. Sometimes hand-drawn can look better, but it depends on the person and their abilities. Part of what makes an architect great is how artistic they are too. Also the judges definitely have sufficient knowledge and discernability to pick a winner from quality of routing, design, and overall plan (I'm underselling here too  ). Jim's entry last time was really really good, so if he does win I definitely would not assume it's for having the "prettiest" presentation.

Jim,
Out of curiosity, did you hand draw and then use the software to enhance, or did you draw the whole thing by mouse or stylus?


I'll share what I'm doing: A stick routing; more detailed drawings of the holes using the zoomed-in quadrants, scanning, and stitching them together; a separate page with green diagrams showing slope and a blurb about the strategy of the golf hole.
So far I am done with the stick routing and am drawing out the holes right now.

I'm sorry if it sounded like I was saying that using software was an advantage of winning. I'm not saying that. I am doing this competition because it is what I love and want to do in the future. I could care less if someone else uses software. If they beat me, software or not, I will just have to do better next time.

No problem; I like your attitude! I just don't think there really is a good way to get an "equal" in terms of presentation.

Updates on where others are it are always appreciated!

[Jim Colton]

Alex,

 I hand drew an early version of my routing, which I can attest has very much the same look and feel as the one that I did in the software. I'm not very adept with the graphics software, but it was easier to test and make changes. I ended up finding 5 new holes and scrapping 5 I had originally.

 Jim

[Neil White]

Here's where I'm at:-

Completed

Stick Routing

In Progress

Detailed (ahem?!) drawings of each hole using stitched portions of the map - to get as much detail as possible I have broken the course down into 3 sections, each showing 6 holes (to include tees / fairways / bunkers / greens / rough areas and contour lines where available and shading) + clubhouse / practice area / accommodation
Overview plan of complete course showing just tees / fairways / bunkers / greens
Green diagrams to show major undulations
A write up of each holes strategy

I have used MS Word to complete all sketches etc.  

Fairly confident I'll get done by 15th March  

Neil.

[Brian Finn]

Alex,
A friend of mine (GCA lurker, Midwest Mashie participant) has been following this thread closely and has been working on his own design using the topos provided.  He asked if he might submit an entry.  Please let me know if there is room for his work to be considered.  Thank you.

[Alex Miller]

Alex,
A friend of mine (GCA lurker, Midwest Mashie participant) has been following this thread closely and has been working on his own design using the topos provided.  He asked if he might submit an entry.  Please let me know if there is room for his work to be considered.  Thank you.

Brian,

We are at 30 participants with a couple on the waitlist, however if we stay close to that number I think there is room for all who want to submit an entry.


All,

Courtesy of Jim Colton, later today I will post an additional image. Jim stitched together a more detailed yet more cluttered topographic map with the one I provided. It shows lines at 5 ft intervals (10 in real life, we scaled down for the contest) and provides an opportunity to glean more information about the site. Personally, I think it would still be best to draw/submit details on the original images I provided, however a stick routing could work very well on Jim's. Actually, Jim, if you would like to post it before hand you are welcome to!

I know many of you have already put a bunch of work in on your entries so far. However my hope is that this new information, late as it may be, will help make your entries better more than it will hurt you in time spent. I can say that my routing has not changed overall, but this new information may help you correct a mistake or misinterpretation from the original map.

Get excited! 

[Brian Finn]

Alex,
A friend of mine (GCA lurker, Midwest Mashie participant) has been following this thread closely and has been working on his own design using the topos provided.  He asked if he might submit an entry.  Please let me know if there is room for his work to be considered.  Thank you.

Brian,

We are at 30 participants with a couple on the waitlist, however if we stay close to that number I think there is room for all who want to submit an entry. 

Great...thank you.  I will relay the message to Mr. Nicklaus Housteau, so he is aware that he is on the waitlist.

I look forward to seeing everyone's entries.

Thank you.

[Jim Colton]

I took a stab at it this morning using the link Dieter posted earlier in the thread. I hope it helps.

Alex, I've had a few friends express interest in taking a stab as well. Given the first round is open balloting, is there any harm in having more entries? One thing about the contest is that it is a very educational tool for providing a glimpse to the challenges that the big-leaguers face when trying to come up with the best possible routing.

[Alex Miller]

The only concern I have is this: While I have faith in the knowledge and judgement of the general public (you all) in open-balloting, I worry about how much data we can process, especially as novices. How many entries can someone sit and take a look at and feel confident about making a choice or preferance between them?

And again, thank you for the work you did in providing that map!

[Jeb Bearer]

I took a stab at it this morning using the link Dieter posted earlier in the thread. I hope it helps.

Alex, I've had a few friends express interest in taking a stab as well. Given the first round is open balloting, is there any harm in having more entries? One thing about the contest is that it is a very educational tool for providing a glimpse to the challenges that the big-leaguers face when trying to come up with the best possible routing.

Thank you SO much! As for where I'm at, I've settled on a basic routing and am starting in on the detailed designs of the holes, though I'm sure as I go there will be a few more tweaks in the routing to be made.

PS: For the uninformed (i.e., me) what do the dotted lines, X's, and crosses mean?

[Jeb Bearer]

Also, are we reading that 3300 line as 3350? Or 3325? Because of the rescaling?

[Alex Miller]

Also, are we reading that 3300 line as 3350? Or 3325? Because of the rescaling?

Jeb, do not pay attention to the elevation lines. Just read them at 5ft intervals, similar to how the original was at 10ft intervals.

This is partly why I went for the simple map  . I think now that everyone has gotten acquainted with the site these questions (which are natural) will be sorted out quicker.

[Brett_Morrissy]

Alex,
so as I dont make a bigger fool of myself than is looking the case, or, waste a heap of time, can you please confirm that actual dimensions - are the contours 10ft or 5ft or 20ft?

I am waiting on my invitation to that 'moron convention'

bm

[Alex Miller]

Alex,
so as I dont make a bigger fool of myself than is looking the case, or, waste a heap of time, can you please confirm that actual dimensions - are the contours 10ft or 5ft or 20ft?

I am waiting on my invitation to that 'moron convention'

bm

I will interpret "actual" to mean used for this contest.

Original map: contours are at 10 ft intervals
New map: contours are at 5 ft intervals (notice there is simply an extra level of detail to the original map)

I hope that clears it up!

[Josh Tarble]

Just a heads up, I matched up the two topos and if you are using the VERY northern extremities of the map, the new topo does not cover that portion.  Shouldn't be an issue, but they don't match exactly on dimensions.

[Jim Colton]

Josh,

  I'll try to fix that tonight. Thanks for the heads up.

  Jim