What place does cyberbullying have on GCA.com?

[Gib_Papazian]

Patrick,

Try this one from the Holy Grail:

French Soldier: I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

[Jud_T]

 "Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who."

[Patrick_Mucci]

"Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who."

Jud, you do have to wonder, what kind of wimp starts a thread like this ?

He's not even man enough to come out and state, in his title and opening thread, that I'm the object of his whining

[Anthony Butler]

For most of the last couple of months I have been holed up at a Hilton across the road from my client's office... Their HQ being located somewhere in the frozen, windy Mid-West. Among the amenities that makes my stay there tolerable is the free oatmeal breakfast that comes with a complimentary copy of the Wall Street Journal. Despite my general disdain for the owner, I have to admit the WSJ-like Pat Mucci-is full of interesting information that provides a glimpse into the way people other than myself think and live. The Real Estate section on Friday for instance could be seen as a replacement for the journeys Pat takes through the ultra private golf courses he seems to prefer. Much of the reporting is lively accurate stuff...

Keep turning the page, however, and you will eventually reach the opinion section, which like some of Pat's theories is full of delusional, 'the sky is orange because I say it is' kind of stuff. e.g. Global warming is just a 'theory' shared by a small group of scientists, the president is a Kenyan socialist and spendthrift..  Despite the fact the stock market is reaching heights not seen since the last lot put the economy in the toilet-and federal government spending is currently declining by 6% a year.

Substitute in one of Pat's pet theories... e.g. Donald Trump is the savior of American golf and you get the idea. The fact he reacts with the calm and rational demeanor of Rush Limbaugh when challenged on his theories sort of completes the picture.

That said, I find it hard to believe that Pat would stoop to some of the behavior we see on this site... Threatening to 'inform' on people whose livelihood depends on jobs they hold for nothing other than a opinion they don't agree with.

That kind of digital McCarthyism has no place on GCA.com.

[RJ_Daley]

Steve Lang thank you very much for the best belly laugh opportunity I have had in a long while!!!!   

I like to laugh, and can chuckle a few times a day, many times at things here on GCA.com.  And, despite the bit from Monty Python obviously having been around a long time, I never read or saw it.  So thanks for keeping it fresh, and hilarious for some of us.  Did the line about parrot droppings just coincidentally come into Gib's head, or was this a hold-over from his own enjoyment of the bit? 

I'll never be able to look at a thread between a ND and NU alum the same again, without peeing my pants laughing.   

[Gib_Papazian]

Dick,

Princess Smartypants and I periodically break into the Argument Skit; much to the consternation of her mother, we have the same sense of humor.

In case your were wondering, the airspeed velocity of an unladen sparrow is 11 Meters per second - or roughly 24 Miles per hour.



   

[Will Lozier]

I am assuming somebody will be turned into a NEWT before all is said and done!  And deservedly so.  They will get better of course.

[RJ_Daley]

Gibby, we seem similarly blessed.  My princess smartypants is now 32 years old, and has graduated to Her Royal Smartyness, having obtained and education and status far beyond my own.  This however has no baring on how far off the beam she can sometimes stray...yet how close to the tree her apple has fallen.  Who would keep us on our toes and our argumentative juices sweet, if we only left it up to Mucci all the time? 

[Tim Martin]

There is a distinction between being a cyber bully and cyber douche bag although I can't imagine either finds it's way into the enviable column. There are also cyber name droppers, cyber know it alls and cyber wannabes. The world of social media is a confounding arena and those that wade in with the best of intentions often find out that what they perceive as a valid viewpoint is an opportunity for somebody having a bad day to settle another score altogether.

[Paul Gray]

For most of the last couple of months I have been holed up at a Hilton across the road from my client's office... Their HQ being located somewhere in the frozen, windy Mid-West. Among the amenities that makes my stay there tolerable is the free oatmeal breakfast that comes with a complimentary copy of the Wall Street Journal. Despite my general disdain for the owner, I have to admit the WSJ-like Pat Mucci-is full of interesting information that provides a glimpse into the way people other than myself think and live. The Real Estate section on Friday for instance could be seen as a replacement for the journeys Pat takes through the ultra private golf courses he seems to prefer. Much of the reporting is lively accurate stuff...

Keep turning the page, however, and you will eventually reach the opinion section, which like some of Pat's theories is full of delusional, 'the sky is orange because I say it is' kind of stuff. e.g. Global warming is just a 'theory' shared by a small group of scientists, the president is a Kenyan socialist and spendthrift..  Despite the fact the stock market is reaching heights not seen since the last lot put the economy in the toilet-and federal government spending is currently declining by 6% a year.

Substitute in one of Pat's pet theories... e.g. Donald Trump is the savior of American golf and you get the idea. The fact he reacts with the calm and rational demeanor of Rush Limbaugh when challenged on his theories sort of completes the picture.

That said, I find it hard to believe that Pat would stoop to some of the behavior we see on this site... Threatening to 'inform' on people whose livelihood depends on jobs they hold for nothing other than a opinion they don't agree with.

That kind of digital McCarthyism has no place on GCA.com.

There is a distinction between being a cyber bully and cyber douche bag although I can't imagine either finds it's way into the enviable column. There are also cyber name droppers, cyber know it alls and cyber wannabes. The world of social media is a confounding arena and those that wade in with the best of intentions often find out that what they perceive as a valid viewpoint is an opportunity for somebody having a bad day to settle another score altogether.

Steady gents. Any more sensible posts like that and a reasonable discussion on golf might just break out. 

[Dónal Ó Ceallaigh]

Cyberbullying? This sounds like another example of how soft our society is today.

I don't want to get all serious, but Cyberbullying is a very worrying development that has caused many teenagers to commit suicide in recent months. Here are some very sad reports from Ireland in the last few months.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/erin-gallagher-irish-teen-commits-suicide-battle-cyberbullying_n_2040850.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248590/Shannon-Gallagher-Teenager-15-kills-months-suicide-younger-sister.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/third-suicide-in-weeks-linked-to-cyberbullying-212271.html

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/education/stop-cyber-bullying/cyberbullying-victims-dad-calls-for-more-help-3342263.html

[Adrian_Stiff]

GCA needs to rid thererself of Patrick Mucci... a viler person you could not find.

Until he is gone GCA is not something I want to b part of.

The site is desperate for a moderator. Bullys need to be eradicated.

[Steve Lang]

Adrian, See ya later.. you may want to rethink that position..

Steve Lang thank you very much for the best belly laugh opportunity I have had in a long while!!!!  

I like to laugh, and can chuckle a few times a day, many times at things here on GCA.com.  And, despite the bit from Monty Python obviously having been around a long time, I never read or saw it.  So thanks for keeping it fresh, and hilarious for some of us.  Did the line about parrot droppings just coincidentally come into Gib's head, or was this a hold-over from his own enjoyment of the bit?  

I'll never be able to look at a thread between a ND and NU alum the same again, without peeing my pants laughing.  

  RJ, You're welcome, glad to oblige!  Its probably healthy to laugh when the day's high is 17 degF, Eh?  

p.s. we played in shorts this weekend, 70's in SE TX ..   I chalk up most of these winter madness threads to a virulaent gca.com cabin fever which affects folks with severe gaseous explosions

p.s.s.  Lord knows how Gib's synapses fire and connect, but connect they do, like fireworks to our delight and amusement.. if he get help with the yips, watch out!

Speakin of Birds, velocity, and Bridges of Death... and the Holy Grail..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071853/quotes
 
Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
Sir Lancelot: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I am not afraid.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?
Sir Lancelot: My name is Sir Lancelot of Camelot.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
Sir Lancelot: To seek the Holy Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your favourite colour?
Sir Lancelot: Blue.
Bridgekeeper: Go on. Off you go.
Sir Lancelot: Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.
Sir Robin: That's easy.
Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
Sir Robin: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I'm not afraid.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?
Sir Robin: Sir Robin of Camelot.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
Sir Robin: To seek the Holy Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is the capital of Assyria?
[pause]
Sir Robin: I don't know that.
[he is thrown over the edge into the volcano]
Sir Robin: Auuuuuuuugh.
Bridgekeeper: Stop. What... is your name?
Galahad: Sir Galahad of Camelot.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
Galahad: I seek the Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your favourite colour?
Galahad: Blue. No, yel...
[he is also thrown over the edge]
Galahad: auuuuuuuugh.
Bridgekeeper: Hee hee heh. Stop. What... is your name?
King Arthur: It is 'Arthur', King of the Britons.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
King Arthur: To seek the Holy Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
King Arthur: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
Bridgekeeper: Huh? I... I don't know that.
[he is thrown over]
Bridgekeeper: Auuuuuuuugh.
Sir Bedevere: How do know so much about swallows?
King Arthur: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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[Sam Morrow]

I'm about to get cyberbullied, I didn't care for Monty Python.

[Patrick_Mucci]

GCA needs to rid thererself of Patrick Mucci... a viler person you could not find.

I don't think it's that hard to find those people.
Just look in the mirror.

Until he is gone GCA is not something I want to b part of.

YO, Adrian.

I just reviewed the last 20 pages and I didn't see a single thread that you initiated.
What makes you think you're a part of GCA  ?
You contribute nothing in terms of the discussions.

Maybe you make up for it by contributing in other ways.
Let me check the list.

I remember you from a long while ago and see that you haven't changed, you contribute nothing and whine incessantly.


The site is desperate for a moderator.

It has moderators.
Are you such an imbicile that you can't read the bottom of the screen.
Let me quote it for you

Golf Course Architecture (Moderators: Ben Cowan-Dewar, Ran Morrissett)


Bullys need to be eradicated.

If I remember correctly, when the discussions/debates got passionate, even contentious, you whined and complained.
The only thing that's changed is that you neither intitiate threads nor engage in the discussions, but, you're still whining and complaining.

You don't contribute to the discussions, and now you want, as a non-contributor, to run the website.

That's an interesting perspective.

Go lick your wounds and crawl back in your hole

[Mark Pearce]

Anyone who reads this board with any attention at all knows that Adrian Stiff and I have had our run ins.  Indeed our normal state of affairs is to be arguing with each other.  However, Adrian is an industry insider.  He is not only an architect (I cannot pass judgment on his quality, as I have not yet played one of his courses) but also owns and runs courses.  He has strong views on the industry which, whilst some (including me) may disagree with from time to time, are formed from his hands on experience of the business.  When he was a regular contributor here (which, despite the failing memory of an old man in the post above, he was) his contributions created real debate about real, GCA related issues.  GCA is a poorer place for Adrian Stiff not being a regular poster.

As I said above, I frequently disagreed, sometimes vehemently with Adrian.  However, we never resorted to abusing each other.  We managed to avoid overt rudeness.  We debated the point, presented our arguments and even, occasionally, acknowledged that the other had a point.  Neither of us resorted to green ink.  We didn't call each other morons, or use any other abusive term and we always remained civil. 

I'm tired of people telling me what a nice person Pat Mucci is offline.  I'm sure he is.  People I know on this board who know him tell me I'd actually like him in person.  They are probably right.  However, his online persona is destructive and damages this board.  There are those who argue strongly on here and are occasionally abusive who get away with it because there is an evident streak of genuine humour in what they do.  They also, it has to be said, appear to actually read, understand and respond thoughtfully to others' posts.

Pat Mucci's response to Adrian Stiff shows, for me, all the reasons why Pat Mucci's online persona harms GCA more than he benefits it.  Which is a great shame because he clearly has an enormous amount to offer.

[Sean_A]

I agree with Mark.  I usually view architecture very differently than Adrian does, but he is in the business trying to make a living.  In all our bust-ups I don't recall one foul word passed between us.  In truth, Adrian is a good sort who I wouldn't intentionally insult, we seem to understand the where the line is and stick to it.  

There is no question Mucci has his line drawn in a very different place to many on this site.  Most seem to give Mucci a free pass for his many breaches of proper decorum because he is well liked in person.  Its a shame the man isn't willing to replicate his well liked personal demeanor on this board, but I reckon the man thinks he is humorous.  Unfortunately, if this is the case, Mucci thinks delivering the same punch line over and over is funny.  

I would rather read more of Adrian's insight into the game than endure the endless tirades of Mucci.  Still, I don't think Mucci is trying to bully people.  Its his style to be boorish, overbearing and repetitive and he hopes others will join in.

Ciao    

[Cliff Hamm]

Definition of bully:  a blustering browbeating person; especially : one habitually cruel to others who are weaker

[David_Elvins]

Pat Mucci's response to Adrian Stiff shows, for me, all the reasons why Pat Mucci's online persona harms GCA more than he benefits it. 

You are judging him on his response to being labeled " a viler person you could not find" in an unprovoked attack by a poster who has returned after a long absence for the sole reason of jumping in and kicking the man who is already copping it from all angles? 

Come on.

[Mark Pearce]

Pat Mucci's response to Adrian Stiff shows, for me, all the reasons why Pat Mucci's online persona harms GCA more than he benefits it. 

You are judging him on his response to being labeled " a viler person you could not find" in an unprovoked attack by a poster who has returned after a long absence for the sole reason of jumping in and kicking the man who is already copping it from all angles? 

Come on.

I'm judging him on his conduct on this site since I joined.  That's more than 5 years and tens of thousands of posts.

[Sean_A]

Pat Mucci's response to Adrian Stiff shows, for me, all the reasons why Pat Mucci's online persona harms GCA more than he benefits it.  

You are judging him on his response to being labeled " a viler person you could not find" in an unprovoked attack by a poster who has returned after a long absence for the sole reason of jumping in and kicking the man who is already copping it from all angles?  

Come on.

David

Do read Mucci's posts?  There are countless examples of poor form to fairly judge the man's behaviour. 

Ciao

[Scott Warren]

Mark Pearce,

Very well said.

[David_Elvins]

David
Do read Mucci's posts?

No, not unless they are addressed to me.  Why would anyone read his posts?  They are often idiotic, inane, repetitive and argumentative for the sake of it.  Seriously, do  people read his posts?  Reading his posts would drive you insane.  No wonder people are getting worked up if it turns out they are reading his posts.  

All I am saying is that in my experience I have not found him to be personally offensive.  Infuriating yes, offensive no.  I suspect some can't tell the difference. 

[Paul Gray]

I'm tired of people telling me what a nice person Pat Mucci is offline.  I'm sure he is.  People I know on this board who know him tell me I'd actually like him in person.  They are probably right.  However, his online persona is destructive and damages this board.  There are those who argue strongly on here and are occasionally abusive who get away with it because there is an evident streak of genuine humour in what they do.  They also, it has to be said, appear to actually read, understand and respond thoughtfully to others' posts.

Touche (insert acute accent as required) Mark.

In my limited time here I've always found this assertion that Pat is actually a good guy in person to be a sign that he's not man enough to insult anyone to their face. I've always believed that if you can't say it to someone's face, don't say it at all.

That said, I'm not sure Pat can be accused of bullying. To bully someone you have to first be able to demonstrate some position of dominance and Pat's ramblings have always struck me as the excessive protesting of a small boy trying too hard to prove he is in fact a self assured man. Maybe if Donald Trump could send him some sort of I-did-well-for-Mr-Trump-today stickers, complete with shinny stars and suchlike, he'd feel a little less inclined to painfully and embarrassingly try to show all the other grown-ups just how big and clever he is.  If the previous statements can be deemed offensive enough to be categorised as cyberbullying, I plead guilty as charged.

But seriously, the first time Pat insulted me I felt, well, insulted. The second time I smiled and the third time myself and my good lady laughed. Well, I laughed, she was insulted, but since then she's come to understand the game and 'Playing Patrick' has become an amusing source of entertainment on a cold winter's night. After all, you can't really take the man seriously, can you?

[Jud_T]

When I was a GCA virgin I got into a spat with Pat very early on and was a bit taken aback.  Then I watched a GCA stalwart intentionally press his buttons and play him like a green ink wind-up toy and laughed my ass off.  Anyone who takes him at face value the second, third, hundredth time around needs to take both Pat and themselves a bit less seriously IMO.  When you put a rat in a cage with an electric shock buzzer and he keeps going back to the buzzer after repeated shocks you have to question the rat's thought process...