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Mark Saltzman

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North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:30:03 AM »
North Palm Beach CC probably falls in the hidden gem category.  The course has been ranked among the top-10 public courses in Florida by Golfweek, but has since dropped out of the top-25.  NPC is a Jack Nicklaus Signature design.  Golf has been played on this property since the 1920s when The Winter Club, Seth Raynor's final design (he died during construction), was built.  The decision was made over several years from about 2003-2006 not to restore the Raynor design but to have Jack Nicklaus design an entirely new golf course.

North Palm Beach is a lot of fun to play, and in my opinion, is a better golf course than most of the (more highly acclaimed) private golf courses in the area.  It is much more than the typical public Florida golf course.

The greens are extreme and the day I played them, very fast.  In the days before and after I played North Palm Beach, I visited the very private and perfectly manicured McArthur and Floridian Golf Clubs -- neither's greens were as fast as the greens at North Palm Beach.  The combination of extreme and fast greens will make North Palm Beach a love/hate golf course for many -- just ask my playing partner who putted off four different greens (and one of those times down a hill, ending some 40 yards from the putting surface).

Surrounding many greens is built up mounding that allow for, and sometimes demand, shot-making.  Watching shots land on, or run-up, the back and side boards is a lot of fun.

Water is in play on several holes at North Palm Beach, but it is generally used in a strategic manner and rarely is there a forced-carry.  Further, the fairway bunkers, which are on a larger scale and have a more rugged look than most courses in the area, demand that choices be made from many tees.  This clever bunkering, combined with tremendous variety in hole yardage, ensure that the thinking golfer has the opportunity to play many different clubs from the tee.

The first hole is a long par-4 that requires the golfer play near the massive fairway bunker to leave a preferred angle into the green.  Like most holes at NPB, there is plenty of room to bailout.




The 1st green as seen from behind gives an idea of the extreme contouring the golfer will face throughout the day.




The approach to the short par-4 second is played up the mountain to a plateau green.  Anything landing on the front quarter of the green will spin back down the entire mountain (putts can come back too!).




The 5th is a pretty par-3 set near the water with a diagonal spine running across its centre.






A buried elephant in the 6th green...




And two more buried in the 7th green...




The 8th is a mid-length par-4 with two short forced-carries over water.  The green falls off short and long on the left, but the right side uses built-up mounding to create a very fun back/sideboard.




The 9th green is similar to Nicklaus' 18th green at Valhalla, with a raised centre portion and two lower wings.  Putts from the lower right can use the slopes to access the the lower left.  Very cool.




The 10th and 11th holes are very short par-4s, but given the predominant wind direction, only the 11th is drivable (for some).  The approach to the 10th after laying up short of cross-bunkers 220 yards from the tee.




The tee shot at the 11th is visually intimidating but there is ample width for the golfer willing to lay-back from the tee.




An uninspiring green from the fairway, the 11th green relies more on tilt than contour and is the most demanding test of precision on the golf course.




The long par-4 12th is a simple looking hole but is one of my favourites on the course.  Golfers lulled into playing an approach to the 'safe-side' will face a near impossible chip down the slope of the green.




Another nice green site at the 14th, with a green tucked over a valley at the base of a hill.




The par-3 15th can stretch to over 250 yards.




The home hole is a mid-length par-5 that can be tacked around to make a simple 5, but requires aggressive shot-making by those hoping to make a birdie to end the round.


Ronald Montesano

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 11:44:17 AM »
Did the green contours and undulations remind you of those espoused and promulgated by another modern-day architect?

Also, on #15, does a tee ball played safely right stay there, or do the (apparent) slopes push it away to the right, leaving a pitch back across the green?
« Last Edit: January 05, 2013, 11:47:54 AM by Ronald Montesano »
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Mark Bourgeois

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 11:47:23 AM »
Mark,

I don't think it's a hidden gem for three reasons:

1) a fair number of people hate it.

2) besides those rankings you mention, it's been discussed on here a number of times going back 6 years; eg

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27343.0.html

3) it's located in a population center and a golf destination. Hard to hide courses in plain sight.

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Mark Saltzman

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2013, 11:49:13 AM »
Mark, all fair responses. What do you think of the course?

Ronald Montesano

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 11:52:19 AM »

2) besides those rankings you mention, it's been discussed on here a number of times going back 6 years; eg

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,27343.0.html


Not much discussion in the thread you cite. Cary gives his take and Alex expresses surprise, but that's about it. Any other threads we can examine?
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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2013, 11:55:18 AM »
Mark, all fair responses. What do you think of the course?

I never had any interest playing the course before today, despite multiple discussion and photo tours.
Nice pictures Mark. Looks really intriguing.
or am I suffering from extreme cabin fever?
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Jeff Tang

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2013, 02:00:52 PM »
I have played the course once and enjoyed my round. I've played a handful of courses in the area and would consider it one of the top one or two publics I've played in the area. The greens were really difficult and very fast when I played (sometime in October this year).   However, what I didn't like as much about the slopes was they seemed very penal in nature rather than being designed to be able to use them in creating shots to get the ball close.  However, as I mentioned I have only seen the course once so maybe I missed some of their strategic intent.

Overall I enjoyed the course and agree that from the tee there are a lot of interesting shots. Also I was happy to find that the course played pretty firm and fast especially for the area.   The course can get pricey in peak season but I think it's definitely worth a look if you are in the area. I wouldn't agree that it's a hidden gem as the course seems to be well known and is considered one of the top public tracks in the area.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2013, 02:22:20 PM »
Might be more fun to go to Worth Avenue.
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2013, 02:25:00 PM »
Might be more fun to go to Worth Avenue.

And play Everglades?

Ronald Montesano

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 03:13:07 PM »
I own Worth Avenue. Bought it in Monopoly this morning.
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Jud_T

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2013, 04:20:40 PM »
Are there any pictures of the original Winter Club?
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George_Bahto

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2013, 05:43:46 PM »
I have a 1953 aerial of the course taken before the owner sold off one of the 9's so he could expand his equestrian hobby.

Later the club (township) purchased adjacent land and added none more to the course

Raynor never saw it builtor ground even broken - this, his last design
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Sean_A

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2013, 05:54:54 PM »
I think the course looks quite interesting.  The movement of the greens compared to the fairways is a bit jarring though.  Are the greens big enough to handle the slopes and things.  The pix make them look small and even smaller targets with the slopes.

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Alex Lagowitz

Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2013, 10:48:04 PM »
Are there any pictures of the original Winter Club?

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Mark McKeever

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2013, 08:56:02 AM »
Agreed.  I want to see an aerial or old pics of the Winter Club.  Has anyone played the original Raynor course?

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Mark McKeever

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2013, 09:39:37 AM »
Looking at Historic Aerials the only template I can make out is a road hole on the north side of the property.  I'm sort of saddened that a Raynor was lost in the process here...

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John_Conley

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2013, 09:08:29 AM »
Thanks for sharing the photos. One of my favorite courses in Florida.  For the adventurous, they actually have a 10 meter platform that's open to the public as part of the municipal pool.  Stops off at 3, 5 & 7 meters for the faint of heart.

Matt Elliott

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Re: North Palm Beach CC (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour!!
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2013, 10:22:28 PM »
This is a Jack redo right?  I lived across the inter-coasta from NPBCC for a while and everyone said it was a dog track (pre-renovations).  Not that I'm casting stones, but there are so many great tracks around there, can it really compare to anything down that way?