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Gib_Papazian

Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2013, 02:00:12 PM »
Uncle George,

That photo looks like the original cast of Dark Shadows. Ran has a decidedly cryptic air about him; perhaps he is the secret lovechild of Barnabus Collins. John looks nothing like him . . . . . just a thought.

See you in May. I'll be back there during daylight savings time for the first time in years.

Ronald,

There are some who might add: malicious, pompous, didactic, condescending and imperious. Notice I do not pine away for Wayne Morrison's return. A Wicker Basket on your shirt does not increase intelligence any more than the Winged-O on the crotch of the swim trunks I nicked from our club.  

A Double-Agent from Brisbane assured me that unless Butler is planning on climbing the wall at the Franklin Park Zoo, the kangaroo population is relatively safe. He's easy to spot; not many guys walking around with bright yellow Mary Jane's and a Red Sox hat.    

 
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John Kirk

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2013, 03:14:03 PM »
Ran,

Thanks for everything.  I hope I can think of something interesting to add this year.  Regardless, I still check in daily.

Gib,

I know we're only distant "Internet" acquaintances, but I would be happy while down to the Bay Area sometime to issue a ping pong beatdown.  I hardly play anymore, but the reactive nature of the game suits me better than golf.

Dave McCollum

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2013, 03:43:38 PM »
Thanks Ran and Ben.  I lurk too little to know the cast of characters as well as I should.  My views about golf have changed so dramatically from my short visits to this site that I’m a danger to my own self interests.  I don’t have much to add to the discussions by the time I get around to seeing the ones that I do.  I do enjoy my time here with like-minded addicts.
 
In fact, I suspect I’m just adding to this thread just to see how many posts it takes to lose my “Jr.” status.  I don’t feel like a freaking junior after all these years on both the site and the planet.  For some reason I’m reminded of the time I attended a 25th college reunion of ancient hippies and heretics and half expected some official university bouncer to tap me on the shoulder and say “We made a mistake with you.”  I’m grateful to all for letting me hang around when I can.  Here’s to the New Year.  I hope it’s a good one for all.

Every year I make the pointless resolution to see more courses and get to more gca.com outings.  Must be that “tap on the shoulder” thing for slackers and hackers like me. I'd also resolve to try harder to think up interesting things to say, but my equipment isn't suited for most courses.

Gib_Papazian

Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2013, 03:44:41 PM »
John,

Only if I get a paddle in each hand. I'm ambi-confused enough that when throwing darts, I simply use whichever hand is not holding my pint. I write, play golf, guitar and throw a baseball right handed; Eat, shoot pool, chopsticks, throw a football and play Pac Man lefty.

This could explain my unusual cranial activity. Not sure what a beat-down playing ping pong would accomplish; a snifter or two and a tour around the Cliffs Course might be more fun.  

Dave,

My equipment is not suited to a 6' tall hottie volleyball player, but that should not preclude me from trying to stretch my limits.  ;)    
Interestingly, USC is/was a fairly conservative university and I'm definitely the nutbag of my fraternity; they have never made me feel I was a mistake - but definitely a crackerbox outliner on an extreme end of the bell curve.

 
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2013, 03:57:58 PM »
Dave...one more post and I think you're there!!

"There are some who might add: malicious, pompous, didactic, condescending and imperious." Had you used those words in your auto-intervention, I would have included them as part of the vocabulary quiz.
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~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
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Steve Lang

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2013, 04:31:53 PM »
 8) Another year, another round of thanks to you Ran and Ben!

Thanks for the benvolent unobtrusive watchful eye on the dicussion group; that may be more difficult with a teenager..

Thanks for keeping the site's maintenance meld from going over the edge from sometimes fast and furious to burnt out.  I would still like to see an OT Treehouse Bar next to the Library and Dining Room.  Everyone gets fed out of the same kitchen... but things get digested in different ways.

Thanks for keeping the content interesting and a pleasure to explore.  The archives are a treasure!

Thanks for letting us participate.

Safe and happy 2013 to all.

p.s. and about that video thing, let youtube deal with it, unless you're going to show us the back passages of the GCA Abbey
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John Kirk

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2013, 05:41:11 PM »
Thanks, Gib.  An awkward attempt at being friendly.  However, I do find it difficult to play ping pong at anything less than full immersion.  I would enjoy a walk in the big park while visiting; that would be great.  As you know, we're about the same age and from the same area (Palo Alto).

I'm looking forward to golf this year.  I think I'll buy an alternate set of clubs with hickory shafts for grins.  I may also replace some clubs in the primary bag, something I don't do too often.

 

Gib_Papazian

Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2013, 06:03:51 PM »
Uh, you were actually serious about ping pong? Like on a table with paddles, not a metaphorical one? You must be a Stanford guy.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2013, 06:16:40 PM »
Stanford guy would want a metaphysical one...or would that be a Cal Tech guy?
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~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
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John Kirk

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2013, 08:57:30 PM »
Nah, grew up in Palo Alto.  Went to UC Davis.  People like me tend to read things literally.

Gib_Papazian

Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2013, 03:57:41 PM »
The reason for the "Stanford" speculation is the unexplainable connection between intellectual acumen and table tennis. My Ex-wife's best friend is/was a lecturer on astrophysics at Cal Tech; an iconoclastic Greek who rolled his own cigarettes and loved to debate the validity of religion against his unshakable atheism.

I recall that aside from holding court on the nature of matter and photons with respect to Black Holes (something I studied quite thoroughly in a different life) and pontificating on the infallibility of Greek Socialism (sneer), his only real hobby and exercise was . . . . . playing ping pong. My Ex considered him the smartest person she had ever met and me the dumbest - which I now attribute to a lack of ping pong skill and incorrect selection of mate.

Despite this, we got along famously; although before he moved to Switzerland I was never able to get him to acknowledge that because matter cannot be compressed infinitely, Black Holes must have an inter-dimensional release valve - but that another story.   

Even stranger, a longtime member of my local health club was born and raised in Colombo, Sri Lanka. I asked - kidding and sure he'd never heard of him - if he had ever met Arthur C. Clarke.
"Oh, you mean Arthur, the writer and scientist?"
Uh . . . . yeah," I said.
"I played ping pong with him at the recreation center nearly every day," he said brightly, "until his legs were too weak."

Sure enough, this random guy was my hero's ping pong partner for several years. Not 3-dimensional chess, but ping pong.

There must be something I'm missing. When I was a child, my parents sent me to Stanford Coaching Camp - a way to get rid of me for three weeks during the summer to learn the fine points of every imaginable sport from coaches at the university.

All the kids, age ranges from 8 to 16, were bunked at Toyon Hall on campus.  My second summer (1969), the university decided to turn the camp (an expensive one) into a social experiment by awarding a large number of scholarships to underprivileged kids from East Palo Alto - a dangerous war zone at the time.

By the end of the first week, the camp became a mess of racial tensions, fights and theft. The little kids (like me) had never been exposed to an 11 year-old with experience fighting with actual weapons, let alone teenagers on a first name basis with the guards at Juvenile Hall. It was terrifying because all the counselors (Stanford students) were in completely over their heads; candy asses like me slept with one eye open.

The one exception- aside from during actual sports activities - was the ping pong table, the unofficial activity of choice for Stanford students. For reasons that remain a mystery, that corner of the main hall was a DMZ with everybody invariably playing nice and waiting their turn. There must be some sort of neurological benefit to this game because even "I hate your guts and hope you die of cancer rivals" like Tiger Woods and Phil managed to play with paddles in a reasonably civil manner during the Ryder Cup.

It is strange that the ping pong table in Toyon Hall is clearer in my memory than Neil Armstrong's walk on the moon - which we all watched on an old B&W TV in the main hall. I still stink at ping pong, but nevertheless associate it with fairly high intelligence.

That was my last year at Stanford Coaching Camp and for the next three Julys, I was off to Billy Casper Golf Camp in San Diego and never looked back. There was a ping pong table in the dorms at UCSD too, but I never played once.    
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Bill_McBride

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2013, 11:19:54 PM »
Billy Casper did not teach you that swing. 

Jon Wiggett

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2013, 04:47:15 AM »
Thanks Ran & Ben for all the 'ard' work you both do on this site and to the rest of their support team. Looking forward to 2013.

Jon

Ian Andrew

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2013, 08:37:58 AM »
Why did the number of In My Opinion pieces decline this year? True, we declined several for quality reasons but still, the number of In My Opinion pieces (which also includes My Home Course entries) dwindled. Why is that? Any feedback would be most welcome.

Ran,

One of the impacts of Golf Club Atlas is some of the people who would normally write these pieces have found opportunities to write for magazines. Unlike the internet, there is a compelling permanence to having something published in glossy pages to be put away and show your grandkids.

But since you have asked, I will send you something to look through and try jump start the process.


Regards,

Ian Andrew 
"Appreciate the constructive; ignore the destructive." -- John Douglas

Rich Goodale

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2013, 08:47:29 AM »
2013 will be a screaming success for GolfClubAtlas.com, if and only if:

1.  The Gib/Captain Kirk match is played ASAP and thereafter often ("home" and "away"s at Oly, Stanford, Bandon, etc.).  There are not any other two people on this site with golfing brains of such knowledge and processing intensity and wills of such strength so as to be able to strip back the non-essentialities of any golf course and reconstruct the experience so that laymen such as me can begin to learn how to understand the simple subtleties of the game.  Ideally, they should be accompanied by at least one reasonably adept phone/camera aficionado (paging Eric Smith!) who could record their thoughts and achievements at both the point of contact and the end result, and if we are really lucky maybe allow John to play with his soul-mate/caddy Kelly, so we can see how that relationship works at the very highest level.

2.  The Schmidt/Mucci home and away match is played at Garden City and the Reverse Jans with Ran as the referee, and with youtube quality film clips, any one of which could go viral, I am sure.......

3.  Other great matches are arranged, chronicled and distributed, such as:

   --Melvyn vs. Peter Dawson over the (new) Old Course
   --Tom Paul vs. himself and history over Merion East

4.  Relaxtions of the restrictions on this site to allow all of us to see:

   --recent posts of posters
   --individual profiles

.........we're not in Russia, are we, Danny?

Good Luck, Ran

Rich
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Mike Hendren

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2013, 10:21:52 AM »
Rich,  I am quite fond of John Kirk and have apparently successfully invited myself to visit Gib at some point down the road.  If such a match can be arranged I will caddie for either gratis, or as a back up serve as official scorer.

Happy New Year.

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Bill_McBride

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2013, 11:26:27 AM »
Rich,  I am quite fond of John Kirk and have apparently successfully invited myself to visit Gib at some point down the road.  If such a match can be arranged I will caddie for either gratis, or as a back up serve as official scorer.

Happy New Year.

Mike

Not packing double anymore?

John Kirk

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2013, 01:17:18 PM »
Aw shucks.

Good friend Kelly is far more useful as a playing partner.  He plays well and quickly.

Gib and I seem quite different as people, but I would enjoy sharing thoughts on golf, and growing up fifteen miles apart.  Former (or dormant) GCA member Mike Benham is another peninsula person the same age.  And yeah, me and my friends played a lot of ping pong growing up, though there were no rocket scientists, just a bunch of guys who liked to play good games.

After a couple of unsettled years, I'm looking forward to traveling again and playing more, better golf this year.  Rich, I've got to make it to Scotland soon, either this year or next, and will let you know when.  Thanks to all my GCA friends.

Gib_Papazian

Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2013, 06:23:45 PM »
Bill,

I took umbrage at your remark and dug up an old photo from 1975 - taken by my Coach Joe Carlson at Casper Golf Camp. I'm in full turn at the top of my backswing, club parallel to the ground and dead square. Nice balance I might add. Big nose and silly hat aside, I was indistinguishable from the rest of the good ball strikers. If I could figure out a way to scan and post photos, you'd be forced to issue a mea culpa and unqualified retraction.

However, a brace of epidural blocks, inserted between my vertebrae with a catheter that looked about a foot long, tended to truncate my backswing a bit. Now, add in spinal rehab six times between the age of 30 and 46 and there is a damned good reason for my frighteningly ugly move. While it lasted (read: went from very short to a constricted hockey swipe), my homemade job served me pretty damned well.

I'm well aware that my golf swing makes Allen Doyle look like Tom Weiskopf and do not need to be constantly reminded that my golfing johnson is now barely long enough to go pee-pee in the big kids urinal.

Rhic,

We might want to think about the wisdom of pairing me with John Kirk on the golf course - or even opposite ends of a ping pong table. It would be a bit like a televised debate between Charles Krauthammer and Sam Kinison. Our childhood geographic proximity and similar age is an irrelevant data point; William F. Buckley and Woody Allen are both from the same borough.

I'm hoping this duel between Shivas and Mucci concludes after tonight's game. Northwestern and N.D. are both fine universities - nearly with the same educational cachet and prestige as the Trojans . . . . . oooops, did I just start another argument? Sorry. It feels like a showdown of Good (Catholic N.D.) vs. Evil (Nick Saban). Guess we better root for a papal triumph. I'd hate from Satan to get another soul.   

Putting aside the occasional shit toss, my original post bemoaning the disappearance of many founding fathers in the Treehouse still stands. Just yesterday, I reached out and obtained confirmation that both Tom Paul and Moriarty are alive and well, but still a bit miffed with each other. It would be a fine start to the new year if the ghosts of Treehouse past paid a short visit - even the malevolent ones.

 

      

            
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Paul Gray

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2013, 07:41:08 AM »
Ran,

Many thanks for allowing me to join this wonderful site.

The book review section would be of great interest to me. Also, not sure it could get off the ground but, given the absurdity of many top 100 lists, how about a GCA Top 100? Thinking far too far ahead, a publication, just maybe, could even be down the road at some point. 
In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich

Bill_McBride

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2013, 08:51:20 AM »
Bill,

I took umbrage at your remark and dug up an old photo from 1975 - taken by my Coach Joe Carlson at Casper Golf Camp. I'm in full turn at the top of my backswing, club parallel to the ground and dead square. Nice balance I might add. Big nose and silly hat aside, I was indistinguishable from the rest of the good ball strikers. If I could figure out a way to scan and post photos, you'd be forced to issue a mea culpa and unqualified retraction.

However, a brace of epidural blocks, inserted between my vertebrae with a catheter that looked about a foot long, tended to truncate my backswing a bit. Now, add in spinal rehab six times between the age of 30 and 46 and there is a damned good reason for my frighteningly ugly move. While it lasted (read: went from very short to a constricted hockey swipe), my homemade job served me pretty damned well.

I'm well aware that my golf swing makes Allen Doyle look like Tom Weiskopf and do not need to be constantly reminded that my golfing johnson is now barely long enough to go pee-pee in the big kids urinal.
            

I take it all back and deeply regret my offensive and insensitive remark.

Now back to our regular programming!

Gib_Papazian

Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2013, 09:05:27 AM »
You are forgiven.  ;)

Which does not change the fact my golf swing looks like pounded shit on a dry cracker.

 

Adam Lawrence

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2013, 09:41:40 AM »
You are forgiven.  ;)

Which does not change the fact my golf swing looks like pounded shit on a dry cracker.
 

Yeah, mine's much too flat too.....
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Gib_Papazian

Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2013, 10:26:36 AM »
Matt Kucher has a flat swing and it works pretty well. So did The Hawk and his "five bands of steel."

I look like an arthritic octogenarian with chronic constipation trying to chop petrified wood.    

Since we have thoroughly explored the subject of golf architecture, it might be worth vectoring off with threads about the golf swing or the latest and greatest gear.

Aside from my Rocketballz driver, set so far open that in anybody else's hands results in a horrible duck-slice (yes, there is such a thing), none of the new technologies have helped me one micron. I do not obtain an inch more distance hitting a Pro V1 vs. an old Lady Precept.



      

  
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Mark Pearce

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Re: GolfClubAtlas.com, version 2013
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2013, 10:33:33 AM »
I'll bet you get plenty of TV action when that ProV lands on the green and sucks back, though....
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