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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2013, 06:12:32 AM »
Jon they’ve just got one so now they’re shouting about no more development nearby.

This one shows the huge new Visitor Centre Opened in 2012.  This is within 800 yards of the famous rock formations.  I believe it got a large grant from the EEC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18692437#

This appears to show a low visual impact design for the new hotel.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17099679

Reports suggest “the development” will be at least 1 mile (some say 1.5miles) away.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/environment/if-bushmills-dunes-golf-resort-is-allowed-then-nowhere-is-safersquo-16250075.html

The little town of Portbalintrae that the course will over look is a charmer with a lovely natural harbour.
http://www.portballintrae.org/graphics/harbourbig.jpg 

Here’s the local existing club with images suggesting what we might expect.
http://www.bushfootgolfclub.co.uk/gallery.html

There are worse storms doing the rounds at the moment. We need a Mrs Brown to make all sides a cup of tea.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2013, 06:40:58 AM »
Thanks for the info Tony. Rules for one but not for the rest it appears. Not sure the hotel has a very sympathetic design for the area but then I did not think that of the Castle Stuart club house when I saw the planning sketches but now that it is built I think it looks spot on.

Jon

Ivan Morris

Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2013, 09:54:14 AM »
I would go to Runkerry to play golf but just to see the Giant's Causeway - no way! As things stand Portrush has very little chance of hosting The Open anytime soon but why not The European Club or Portmarnock? It is THE Open, after all, NOT the BRITISH Open.   

Paul_Turner

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2013, 01:27:14 PM »
I walked Bushfoot and the seaside links holes were petty good, the rest are not so good.  The par 3 2nd was unusual and unexpected.

It's difficult to pictue how the little tourist steam train woud fit in with the new plans?
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jeffwarne

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2013, 02:17:54 PM »
I played Bushfoot in 2007
a little parklandy in the middle but good fun.

Although I would continue to patronize the local B&B's at 40 GBP per night, I can see how a premium golf hotel would do well in the area, as I'm always amazed at how many people care about where they spend their 8 hours ;) sleeping.
Certainly a great lineup nearby with Portrush 36, Castlerock 27 (the wild new 9 in the dunes is the perfect post 18 beer 9 full of fun holes) Portstewart -18 great holes and at least 18 more, Ballycastle, and Bushfoot 9 all nearby.
Combined with RCD to from the airport (OK a bit out of the way), this could be an ideal one house golf vacation.

Now perhaps if they got the officials at Belfast airport to lighten up a bit
(whatever terror issues they may have, they're not arriving by plane in sweater vests)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
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Matthew Hunt

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2013, 05:37:25 PM »

Now perhaps if they got the officials at Belfast airport to lighten up a bit
(whatever terror issues they may have, they're not arriving by plane in sweater vests)


Ironically, the Belfast Airports were probably the only the only US/European airport that didn't go overboard on the post-9/11 regulations possibly because because we had a lower terror threat than before, unlike the rest of the world.  But then they got inspected by a British government agency who did not like this approach, so then they went a bit OTT, but now i think its back to normal.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2013, 01:55:15 AM »
If anyone is in any doubt as to how non golfers (of a left of centre variety) feel about golf they should look at the comments following the article Rich linked to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/29/national-trust-giants-causeway-golf-course

Re Journalists and PR.  I read yesterday that by 1980 it was estimated that there were slightly more people employed for PR than as Journalists.  By 2010 the ratio became 4:1.


“If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed.
 If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”
Sometimes Twain got it right. ;)
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Mark_F

Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2013, 03:13:42 AM »
If anyone is in any doubt as to how non golfers (of a left of centre variety) feel about golf they should look at the comments following the article Rich linked to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/29/national-trust-giants-causeway-golf-course

Goodness.  What a bunch of unintelligent swill read the Guardian these days.  The Left in the Uk aren't worthy of the name.


Mark Chaplin

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2013, 03:47:36 AM »
Jeff when a British double Olympic gold medalist who trains in the USA is hauled in for questioning everytime he arrives in the US or one of my sergeants working as a police officer at England's highest security police station gets a two hour grilling, both because of their ethic origins, it's tough to see how we can be lectured on profiling at airports.
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2013, 04:28:39 AM »
I used to regularly attend a 3 day industry conference in Fort Lauderdale in January.  One year they had a moderated discussion about customer service and I was invited to give an outsiders opinion. I told them that as far as I was concerned in Europe we had a lot to learn from the USA and it would be hard to change our culture when young kids didn’t see enough of great service growing up.  Someone asked why I though they got it right in the US? Struggling to answer I quipped that it was probably because the US had taken all the people with no interpersonal skills whatsoever out of the normal economy and put them on the front line of the immigration service. The mainly US audience gave me a round of applause.
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jeffwarne

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2013, 09:38:12 AM »
I used to regularly attend a 3 day industry conference in Fort Lauderdale in January.  One year they had a moderated discussion about customer service and I was invited to give an outsiders opinion. I told them that as far as I was concerned in Europe we had a lot to learn from the USA and it would be hard to change our culture when young kids didn’t see enough of great service growing up.  Someone asked why I though they got it right in the US? Struggling to answer I quipped that it was probably because the US had taken all the people with no interpersonal skills whatsoever out of the normal economy and put them on the front line of the immigration service. The mainly US audience gave me a round of applause.

Very true unfortunately.
 Although easily the rudest/weirdest experience I've had at immigration/customs occurred in Sydney,NS when going through customs on the way to Cabot.
While they were going through a needless, rude interrogation of the 8 of us, the only 8 in the airport(rather than just searching our bags which would've been way faster) they had left our golf bags out on the tarmac in a massive downpour, which penetrated every part of my well covered bag.

Over the recent holidays, going into Canada was a breeze, gettting back into the US involved spending a bit of time in a holding room with 30 other scary looking  ;D  ;) skiing families and their kids.
Perhaps they should be paid on a confiscation per detention ratio.
My theory is that in the US they profile and detain the least threatening looking people, because it's easier,and they won't get accused of profiling.

My take on the situation was that with about a 20% illegal alien workforce where I live, perhaps our efforts might be spent on a different border.

Mark,
I'm not accusing the UK of profiling, I'm suggesting it.
If we go back over the past 20 years of airline terror, how many were middle aged white men in golf sweater vests?

When playing golf in Donegal,one has many choices if heading out to Carne, Slgo,Narin, etc.
Shannon and Dublin aren't much farther than Belfast,and there's always Donegal Airport or Sligo Airport.

The drivers I've had (some from NI, others from Ireland) were repeatedly disgusted with the Belfast process,
In one instance, I left a small carry bag not 15 feet from the door while helping others with their bags.
The 4 officials I spoke to dismissed me repeatedly and rudely(it was in plain sight 15 feet away), then told me they'd deal with it after lunch.
There was no one else left in the airport.
Ultimately,after they'd had their 20 minute power surge,(where if there was any danger you'd think they would have stopped their casual coffee conversation and moved away from the threat) our driver negotiated a truce and the bag was retrieved in 15 seconds.
Terror threat averted ;) ::) :o
« Last Edit: January 03, 2013, 09:51:26 AM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Mark Chaplin

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2013, 02:05:19 PM »
Jeff - the first 6 articles on Google searching for N.I. terror arrests, reveals all the men arrested were white between 24 and 47 years. Maybe a middle aged man using the ingenious disguise of a golf jumper is the right profile to stop!!
Cave Nil Vino

jeffwarne

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2013, 02:24:30 PM »
Jeff - the first 6 articles on Google searching for N.I. terror arrests, reveals all the men arrested were white between 24 and 47 years. Maybe a middle aged man using the ingenious disguise of a golf jumper is the right profile to stop!!

Yikes!
Ingenius to think of flying IN from the US and wearing golf clothes ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Good news though now, I'm too old now for the profile ::) ::)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Mark Chaplin

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2013, 02:40:55 PM »
I won't turn this post into politics but where did 90% of the IRA's funding come from? There is a reason why the leaders were regular visitors.

When Nezar Hindawi wanted to down an El Al 747 he didn't wear a suicide vest or carry a bomb in his bag. He chose to plant a bomb in the luggage of his innocent pregnant Irish girlfriend. Sadly in law enforcement you cannot always read a book by its cover.

I used to have around 30 stamps in my passport for Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt. Needless to say my last entry into Tel Aviv airport was "eventful" to say the least. Fortunately unlike in the US, the Israeli border guards tend to be stunning women with M16s, quite alluring!
Cave Nil Vino

jeffwarne

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2013, 02:49:53 PM »
I won't turn this post into politics but where did 90% of the IRA's funding come from? There is a reason why the leaders were regular visitors.

When Nezar Hindawi wanted to down an El Al 747 he didn't wear a suicide vest or carry a bomb in his bag. He chose to plant a bomb in the luggage of his innocent pregnant Irish girlfriend. Sadly in law enforcement you cannot always read a book by its cover.

I used to have around 30 stamps in my passport for Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt. Needless to say my last entry into Tel Aviv airport was "eventful" to say the least. Fortunately unlike in the US, the Israeli border guards tend to be stunning women with M16s, quite alluring!

We have a member's wife at our club who showed me a picture of her with her m-16, when she was in the Israeli army about 40 years ago-very impressive ;)
Seriously, I understand the need for tight security and the need for random checks, as well as profiling.
i don't understand refusing to help get a bag 15 feet away in plain sight while ignoring them, being smug, dismissive, and rude,
just because one can.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Mark Chaplin

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2013, 03:47:44 PM »
Jeff - no excusing that. For me Australian and New Zealand customs are the world champs at airports. They are so good they even clean your clubs and shoes for you and not a tips box in sight. Now that's service!   ;D
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Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2013, 10:21:36 AM »

Paul Gray

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2013, 12:20:11 PM »
It seems increasingly so that, rather than objecting to any genuine ecological impact, the National Trust seem to think the course simply won't look too pretty and are trying to throw that view under the banner of 'environmental impact.'.

I did write to Heather Thompson, gave her a few pointers on just what links golf actually is and asked for her clarification on a few points but have yet to receive any response. If I hear anything I'll update accordingly but don't anybody hold their breath.
In the places where golf cuts through pretension and elitism, it thrives and will continue to thrive because the simple virtues of the game and its attendant culture are allowed to be most apparent. - Tim Gavrich

Martin Toal

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Re: The trumpification of Northern Ireland?
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2013, 02:11:56 PM »
I don't think I have ever been selected for screening at a US airport, although air travel in the US, especially domestic, has become a soul destroying experience. The US domestic traveller is willing to settle for a very poor and indifferent service, so that is what they get.

Flights from Belfast to Heathrow still come in at that pier of T1 beyond that point where Special Branch used to have their desk, and every NI passenger had to walk pass the enquiring eye of the rozzers. I remember one occasion when the gate was being repaired, so the flight came into Gate 4, about 50 yards further up, on the other side of the Special Branch desk, so the entire flight had to wait for buses to come and take us 50 yards round to Gate 8 so we could walk past the Special Branch desk. Nobody considered for a second that the Special Branch plod could walk 50 yards up the pier and let us walk past him there. Oh no.

I also remember going to Manchester with a plane full of doctors going to a BMA meeting. I was about 15th off the plane, and the first 14 all had suits. I didn't. The guy ahead of me bet me that the cops would stop me because I was the first non-suit. He was right. The cop was almost disappointed when I showed me ID showing that I was a somewhat respectable member of society rather than a terrorist.