The Pushcart Battles : A small victory

[ward peyronnin]

May I tender my gratitude to all of you who provided material for the trolley thread of last year.

I mined it liberally for information and ,in combination with other sources, produced a multiple page  examination of the argument for allowing them at Victoria National. I was very pleased to hear from management that they have ordered12 units for limited use during heat induced cart bans.

It is a start and i gives me hope that as these old bones throw off more frequently and violently I will have this option on those days in the future. Sometimes extra effort does pay dividends despite the odds

Cheers

[Mike Nuzzo]

Thank you for sharing the update Ward
Could you share the examination with us?
It may help others do the same.
Enjoy the extra walking option this summer.
Cheers

[ward peyronnin]

How do I attach or inerst a file?

[Wayne Wiggins, Jr.]

ward -

that's great.  in fact, i thinik we've also won a similar battle at our club... rumor has it. 

WW

[ward peyronnin]

Wayne
I assume they would really be a plus in the bay area

[PCCraig]

Ward,

I'd also love to see your study if you don't mind posting it here or are willing to send it via e-mail.

Thanks.

[John Kavanaugh]

Thank you Ward, a few in my "group" have often said they would prefer push carts during cart path only days.  It will be great to have the option.  Do you think we will be allowed to push them across the greens?

[ward peyronnin]

If someone can advise me how to insert the file of what I submitted I would be glad to post it here on site.

John: WTF?

[ward peyronnin]

Ok I have figured out how to upload to the intrenet and this link should take you to the annotated piece I delivered to the Victoria management. I aplogize that I was sloppy with attributes etc. but i did not consider this a scholarly debate more like a blizzrd of talking points in favor with some graphic examples for texture.

Hope it might be of use to others

https://docs.google.com/a/peyronnin.com/file/d/0B_PANGplzkugeThyeGxKNU03YXc/edit

Cheers
Big Ward

[John Kavanaugh]

Ward, please clarify your question. Many courses including Bandon allow pushing the cart across the greens.

[Daryl David]

Ward, please clarify your question. Many courses including Bandon allow pushing the cart across the greens.

In fact many courses in AUS require you to cross the green rather than skirt around the edges.

[ward peyronnin]

John I was not aware of that as a desirable course practice.

I did not go there with my appeal so I doubt that they have thought that throught yet but you are welcome to ask the pro.

[Bill Brightly]

Hope it might be of use to others

https://docs.google.com/a/peyronnin.com/file/d/0B_PANGplzkugeThyeGxKNU03YXc/edit

Cheers
Big Ward

Thanks for posting! As soon as I think I have the strength for another big battle, this is something that I would love to see at my club. The sad reality is that my club, and many others, want the revenue generated from riding carts (required before 3 pm if no caddies.) That is blood money, IMO, but a signifcant income line nonetheless...


PS  Nice touch getting the Winged Foot bag in the front of the photo! A picture is worth a thousand words, eh? I just did not see WF on the list

[John Kavanaugh]

John I was not aware of that as a desirable course practice.

I did not go there with my appeal so I doubt that they have thought that throught yet but you are welcome to ask the pro.

I am thrilled at the push cart option. I'll keep my mouth shut so I don't blow it. You get the rules straight and I will gladly follow.

[Dave Givnish]

Congrats, Ward and Wayne. We started with 5 at Desert Forest about 6 years ago.  We just got a new fleet - and we're up to 36.  They get used a lot.

I would say to non-walking Board members who steadfastly vote against push carts to hold onto cart fees is that you may be holding on to quarters and overlooking dollars. The quarters are the cart fees. The dollars are the initiation fees and dues from new walking members. While I was involved in membership recruitment, close to half of the new members were joining because they could walk.

[Garland Bayley]

John I was not aware of that as a desirable course practice.

I did not go there with my appeal so I doubt that they have thought that throught yet but you are welcome to ask the pro.

Pushing carts across the green is appropriate if green surrounds are not conducive to parking the cart 10 yards away and walking directly onto the surface. At my club you can always park the cart nearby like this and walk easily onto the green so the rule is no push carts within 10 yards of the green.

Many times at Bandon that is not practical. The worst case I have seen is Monarch Dunes where they don't allow the push carts on the greens, but in some instances there is no convenient route to pass the green and park 10 yards or so from the green. Therefore, they have dirt fringes from people pushing the cart around the green on the fringe.

[Rick Shefchik]

The wheels on the pushcarts -- or rikshas -- at Bandon are wider than those found on Sun Mountain Speed Karts or Clik-Traks, and I think they are wider than those on the two-wheeled carts that are available at a number of courses I've played.



You wouldn't want to push a standard three-wheeler across a green.

[Garland Bayley]

The wheels on the pushcarts -- or rikshas -- at Bandon are wider than those found on Sun Mountain Speed Karts or Clik-Traks, ...

I think all the new Sun Mountain and Clicgears have wheels as wide or wider than the rikshas.

[Ken Moum]

The wheels on the pushcarts -- or rikshas -- at Bandon are wider than those found on Sun Mountain Speed Karts or Clik-Traks, ...

I think all the new Sun Mountain and Clicgears have wheels as wide or wider than the rikshas.

We have Rikshas at my course, and you are correct, the new three wheelers have tires at least as wide as them.

More importantly, if cart traffic was spread over the whole green, even narrow cart tires would have less effect than having them all take the same path around the green. Even a fully loaded three wheeler weigh only about 40 pounds. We have 300-pound golfers.

[Rich Goodale]

Well done, Wardo

If you can now get Barney to push his cart around VN and renounce asphalt you will have hit a home run!

[Jeff Shelman]

I would be floored if a course with bent or bermuda greens allows push cart traffic over their greens.

If there's a quick way for a super to have their job placed in a tenuous position, it's to have greens go bad.

Because of that, I would think that supers will fight hard against push cart traffic on greens.