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Ian Andrew

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Architects who were Veterans
« on: November 11, 2012, 12:34:55 PM »
Seems like an appropriate post for the day.

I know of a few Canadians and have often wondered how many architects served in the wars.
Were there any significant architects lost?

Stanley Thompson

From Jim Barclay:

"He never had much to say about his career as a soldier.  The Ontario Agricultural College Review of April 1915 lists him as a signaler in the 4th Brigade, Canadian Field Artillery, Canadian Expeditionary Force (C.E.F.).  His choice of the Canadian Field Artillery was not coincidental.  As far back as 1878 the OAC had formed a bettery of field artillery to give students some knowledge of gun drill and gunnery.

Watson's Note records that Stanley joined the C.E.F. at the outset of hostilities, and eventually received the 1914-1915 Star (which is now in the Golf Hall of Fame at Glen Abbey).  While serving with the Royal Canadian Artillery in France, he was mentioned in a written dispatch on April 9, 1917 for his gallant and distinguished services in the field.  This is confirmend by a certificate from the Secretary of State for War that is dated March 1, 1919, to No. 83024, Gunner S. Thompson, 4th Brigade, and by the Military List of the Dominion of Canada.

Stanley Thompson, of the Canadian Field Artillery, was given the temporary rank of Lieutenant on January 20th, 1917, while serving with the C.E.F.  He was confirmend as Lieutenant on May 25th, 1918.  His promotion and mention in a dispatch was almost certainly earned at the battle of Vimy Ridge, April 9-12, 1917.  The dates agree.  Stanley was a signaller -- that is, a look-out for the gunners, one who squats in an advanced position near the enemy lines with a field telephone and a pair of binoculars and sends back to the gunners messages such as: "Fifty feet too far right, boys.""

Geoff Cornish related to me that Stan was very much any army man “He didn’t have to go but he went so the next generation didn’t have to go.” It only seemed natural to Geoff that all Stanley’s associates would volunteer with the outbreak of World War Two. Geoff Cornish remembers Stanley saying, “Well it’s now you turn boys.”

Robbie Robinson

Robbie served in the Royal Canadian Air Force during World War II. Unfortunately I do not know any of the details of his service.

Howard Watson

Howard’s time was fascinating since he had some expertise with mining (worked for the mines during the depression) and was involved in the building of the additional tunnels at Gibraltar where the British withstood countless bombardments while they used the location to observe and control the flow of traffic through the straight. “During the Second World War, the Royal Engineers (originally the Artificer Company during the Great Siege) along with a Canadian contingent added some 30 miles (40Km) of tunnels.” Geoff Cornish was with the Canadian Army Overseas for all five years of the war. They all survived but Geoff was the only one to return to Stanley Thompson’s company for two more years before moving on himself.




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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2012, 12:43:33 PM »
Vern Macan served with Canadian forces in WWI. He was wounded in France and lost part/all of a leg.

Alister Mackenzie was a veteran of the Boer War.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2012, 12:56:27 PM »
Dr. MacKenzie also enlisted in W.W. I, although he served in the camouflage corps and did not see active duty.

Pete Dye served toward the end of W.W. II, though I don't remember the details.

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2012, 01:00:11 PM »
Hugh Alison was in the cipher corps during WW1; John Morrison was in the Royal Flying Corps (the precursor) to the RAF, and flew some of the world's first bombing raids (he's also recorded as being the first pilot ever to land a plane on an aircraft carrier.
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 01:02:33 PM »
It's interesting that Stanley Thompson and Vernon Macan both fought with the Canadian Corps at the Battle of Vimy Ridge. Thompson got away easier than Macan, who - as Pete mentions - lost a leg below the knee.

Macan was 35 years old at the time. I don't think he was obligated go to WWI. But he went. Pretty amazing.

Thompson was 24 in 1917.
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 01:03:41 PM »
John Morrison was in the Royal Flying Corps (the precursor) to the RAF, and flew some of the world's first bombing raids (he's also recorded as being the first pilot ever to land a plane on an aircraft carrier.

Wow, those are very interesting facts about John Morrison. Thanks Adam.
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Wade Whitehead

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2012, 01:31:04 PM »
Lester George was in the service.

Thanks and honor to all veterans.

WW

Bill_McBride

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2012, 01:50:42 PM »
Lester George was in the service.

Thanks and honor to all veterans.

WW

Wade, I think Lester is still a senior officer in the reserves. 

Ross Harmon

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2012, 02:02:36 PM »
Pete Dye served toward the end of W.W. II, though I don't remember the details.

Pete's probably the only architect who got to further his interest in architecture by joining the military!

From Wikipedia... Pete went into the Army in 1944. He attended United States Army Airborne School at Fort Benning in Georgia to be a paratrooper, but World War II ended before he was sent overseas. He was stationed at Fort Bragg in North Carolina where he served the rest of his hitch as greenskeeper on the base golf course. Pete Dye explained, "I played the golf course at Pinehurst No. 2 for six solid months, and I got to know Mr. Donald Ross...(who) had built the Fort Bragg golf course. He would come over and watch us play golf, and most of the time the captain and colonel hauled me over there. They didn't know who Mr. Ross was, but the other fellow walking with him was JC Penney, and they all knew him."

Joe_Tucholski

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2012, 02:17:42 PM »
Bobby Jones - US Army Air Forces
Arnold Palmer - US Coast Guard
Lee Travino - US Marines
Maj Gen Robert McClure - Of the US Army gets some design credit for the courses at Fort Ord and Ft Meade as well as Peter Hay (par 3 course at Pebble)
George Cobb - US Marines
Dick Wilson - Not sure if he was in the US Army or Army Air Corps
Bob Cupp - US Army
John LaFoy - US Marines

I'm sure there are a good number more from periods where the draft was present.

Also of note I've played a number of courses where no real design credit and the architect is listed as "military personnel."

Neil_Crafter

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2012, 04:01:07 PM »
Mackenzie was a Civil Surgeon attached to the 4th Somerset Light Infantry in the Boer War, so despite not actually fighting he would have been dealing with the casualties. In South Africa he formulated the germ of his camouflage thinking.

In WW1 Mackenzie was originally with the Royal Army Medical Corps but transferred to the Royal Engineers in May 1915, originally serving with the 1st Durham Fortress Engineers up until September of that year when they were sent to France as part of the 4th Division which saw action on the Somme. By 1916 Mackenzie was teaching concealment in the Northern Command before he was approached to give demonstrations in London in October 1916 that led to the establishment of the Camouflage School. Mackenzie himself refers to being in France during the war, and given that he was serving with a regular RE company for some of this time he would have been on and around the front lines.

Through the excellent efforts of Mark Rowlinson at the Imperial War Museum we know a lot more about Mackenzie's part in establishing this school and have found him in a photograph of the officers of the school. Mackenzie is in the back row, fourth from the left.

« Last Edit: November 11, 2012, 04:21:15 PM by Neil_Crafter »

Neil_Crafter

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2012, 04:20:37 PM »
Dick Wilson spent the war years constructing and camouflaging airfields according to Cornish & Whitten. Not sure which branch of the service this was with though.

The Australian architect Alex Russell served in both World Wars. In WW1 he was an artillery officer with the Rpyal Garrison Artillery, serving in France and Belgium. He was injured by an incoming German shell and had to recuperate in England, losing a testicle in the explosion. After recuperation and taking command courses he returned to France later in the war and took command of artillery units before the war's end, attaining the rank of Major and being awarded the Military Cross. In WW2 he again served, was attached to the general command in New Guinea, before leaving active service midway through the war to become the Chief Commissioner for the Red Cross in Australia. Quite a service to his country.





Ronald Montesano

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2012, 05:29:04 PM »
Don't know if it was active duty, but Dr. Michael Hurdzan is a veteran.
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Dean DiBerardino

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2012, 08:38:45 PM »
Don't know if it was active duty, but Dr. Michael Hurdzan is a veteran.

On golbizwiki.com, I found the paragraph below about Dr. Hurdzan and his mentor, Jack Kidwell, who was also a veteran:

"Besides their mutual love of golf and golf course design, Jack and Mike shared a common bond through the military. Jack was a United States Army Lieutenant in the Philippine Islands during World War II and Mike was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant in the United States Army Chemical Corps in 1966. Mike continued his military career both on active and reserve duty for 27 years until retiring as a Colonel (O-6). During that time, Hurdzan became branch qualified not only in the Chemical Corps, but Infantry, Special Forces, Civil Affairs and Psychological Operations. Among his many honors and awards is the Legion of Merit, the sixth highest decoration awarded by United States military and only one of two decorations that can be worn around the neck (the other being the Medal of Honor). Even through his retirement, Mike remains an active supporter of his local chapter of the Special Forces Association."

Here is the link to the entire page......

http://www.golfbizwiki.com/bin/view/Home/HurdzanFryEnvironmentalGolfDesign

Tom_Doak

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2012, 09:18:53 PM »



Neil (and Mark):  Great photo!

The guy front and center must be the head of the school, whom Dr. MacKenzie slandered repeatedly for not understanding the basic principles of naturalism.  Can't remember his name right now, but he was a foil to MacKenzie throughout the war.  I will look it up tomorrow.

Howard Riefs

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2012, 09:22:16 PM »
Dick Nugent served in the Korean War.
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Sam Morrow

Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2012, 09:22:32 PM »
I think Von Hagge was in the Navy.

Neil_Crafter

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2012, 01:32:26 AM »
Tom
You are thinking of Solomon J Solomon, but the fellow in the centre front is not him. Solomon appears to have not been the actual commander of the Camo School. We have a couple of candidates who commanded the school but we don't have a date for the photo so it's hard to know. Mackenzie did not think too highly of Solomon, as you know.

Neil White

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2012, 02:56:58 AM »



Neil (and Mark):  Great photo!

The guy front and center must be the head of the school, whom Dr. MacKenzie slandered repeatedly for not understanding the basic principles of naturalism.  Can't remember his name right now, but he was a foil to MacKenzie throughout the war.  I will look it up tomorrow.

Tom / Neil,

Found this portrait of SJS via Google.

It would seem that he is sat on the far left.



Neil.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2012, 06:52:09 AM »
A lurker tells me David Gordon was an Air Force pilot in either WWII or the Korean War.
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Lester George

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2012, 01:27:46 PM »
Wade,

I spent 25 years 3 months in the Army Reserve and retired in 2003 at the rank of Lieutenant Colonel (05).  I was comissioned in 1978 in the Field Artillery but my first 3 tours of duty were in Infantry Divisions where I spent my days teaching infantry tactics, camoflage, terrain navigation and all things Infantry.  My specialty was terrain analysis and map reading.  I spent a total of 21 of my 25 years in Infantry and eventually specialized in Logistics.  Most of my career was in support of the 82nd Airbourne Division at Ft Bragg where I was fortunate to train and work alongside many friends and do many things that were just what a twenty-something with a gung-ho attitude needed.  I spent time training with US Army Snipers and got to shoot just about everything in the inventory. 

My career was nothing compared with distinguished veterans from WWII like my father (34 years Army Air Force/Air Force) who flew in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. 

I am humbled to be grouped in with all Veterans, no matter the service.  Today is special for all of them.

Lester   

Lester George

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2012, 01:29:23 PM »
Algie Pulley served in the Coast Guard as well.  I am sure Brit Stenson spent time in the service as well.

Lester

Niall C

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2012, 02:32:00 PM »
Captain CK Hutchison wrote of his experience as a prisoner of war at Claustal in a Country Life article in March 1919. He described how he and others constructed a 6 hole course on a small piece of land using a mixture of soil and finely crushed granite. The article includes an illustration of the course.

Niall

Niall C

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2012, 02:35:49 PM »
Looking at that photo, and the painting of Solomon, I could well imagine the painting being a much younger version of the senior officer sitting in the middle. Mind you the guy sitting far right also looks like a thinner James Braid so don't count on my judgement.

Niall

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Architects who were Veterans
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2012, 02:40:20 PM »
A couple quick anecdotes:

1.  There's a listing in one of the early Annual Guides for Hammond CC in West Hammond IL that has the notation in the space reserved for their professional that he was "Over There."  I imagine there were quite a few early pioneers of the game in the U.S. who returned to their native shores when called.

2.  The University of Oregon course was at one point abandoned to serve as a training ground for members of the student body that were preparing for the war effort.  

3.  We've had a few threads that have touched on the role of the Military golf course.  Does it say something about the game itself that golf became the leisure activity of choice for many of the officer's who were stationed away from home and family.  One wonders if the travels of those asked to serve overseas during World War I had any influence on the growth of the game back here in the States once the war was over.
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