[Steve_ Shaffer]

at the Casino del Sol in Tucson. Notah Begay is the architect of record. Who is on his team?


http://www.casinodelsol.com/sewailo-golf-course/tucson-golf-course

[John Kirk]

The preliminary course layout is wild.  Lots of water, angled tee shots and bent fairways.  It appears to be a very elaborate design.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Very interesting design...

[Mike Nuzzo]

Who needs 3 driving ranges?
How much are they allowed to irrigate or do ranges not count?

[Steve_Lovett]

If you liked the 2nd hole you're in luck - you get to play it again on the 15th...

[Steve_ Shaffer]

The range on the left is the Jack Nicklaus Golf Academy. The "practice area" on the bottom right looks like a short game area.

[Adam Lawrence]

Ty Butler is the architect. I think he started the job between leaving RTJ2 and before he joined JMP, hence he is doing under his own steam.

[Jason Topp]

If I recall correctly, this property is pretty flat and featureless.  It will be interesting to see how this project turns out.  My first reaction is that it looks like an interesting design but one that belongs in Florida rather than the desert.

[John Penny]

Who needs 3 driving ranges?
How much are they allowed to irrigate or do ranges not count?

If on the reservation, will they have irrigation limitations?

[RJ_Daley]

Perhaps they have a contract that requires them to take large quantities of effluent water, or pay penalties if they don't use that allotted contract.  It seems that between that potential requirement and the desire to mine fill and shaping material from lakes that are dug, this will certainly be something of a 'blue monster' in the desert.  I see there is one shared green, and some interesting routing decisions. Also, golf maintenance facility is shown,  but not sure where the clubhouse or casino is from first tee and warm up range... probably like Barona Creek Casino a distance away, with modest pro shop starter fee collection point and and sandwich grill at the start.

[Emile Bonfiglio]

What type of tee shot is called for on #8 if playing from the tips? How about the next tees up as well?

[Jason Topp]

Perhaps they have a contract that requires them to take large quantities of effluent water, or pay penalties if they don't use that allotted contract. 

I hope the ponds are not effluent!   I can still smell the stuff from the ASU campus 25 years ago.

[Ronald Montesano]

6, 8, 9, 10 and 18 look like a hand of nightmares! If built as scripted, not long before the complaints roll in.

[Mike Lacey]

None of the State water restrictions apply to courses located on Indian reservations.

Jason: Despite the odor, effluent has never been the source of supply for ASU Karsten. 

[Matthew Essig]

If you liked the 2nd hole you're in luck - you get to play it again on the 15th...

2 is longer than 15. 2 is a drive, wedge, and putt while 15 is possibly drivable.

[Connor Dougherty]

The range on the left is the Jack Nicklaus Golf Academy. The "practice area" on the bottom right looks like a short game area.

The area on the bottom right is listed as a "Junior Practice Area," whatever that means.

After writing a paper on golf and the environment in high school, I have a hard time seeing how this project makes sense. There's so much exposed water and an incredible amount of unnecessary grass. I hope they come to their senses a bit on the two, but I doubt it.

[Jason Topp]

None of the State water restrictions apply to courses located on Indian reservations.

Jason: Despite the odor, effluent has never been the source of supply for ASU Karsten. 

Mike: I predate the Karsten course.  I assumed they used effluent on campus. 

[Matthew Petersen]

None of the State water restrictions apply to courses located on Indian reservations.

Jason: Despite the odor, effluent has never been the source of supply for ASU Karsten. 

Mike: I predate the Karsten course.  I assumed they used effluent on campus. 

That's just the stink of the Sun Devils.

[Steve_Lovett]

If you liked the 2nd hole you're in luck - you get to play it again on the 15th...

2 is longer than 15. 2 is a drive, wedge, and putt while 15 is possibly drivable.

How can you tell? Are the yardages  on the map anywhere? They both look about the same to me.

[Mark McKeever]

Can anyone post some pictures?  The link isnt working for me.

Mark

[Garland Bayley]

Not only are artificial ponds a blight on modern golf courses. Artificial ponds on golf courses in Arizona is unconscionable. Did they mistake the landscape for Florida?

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Troon Golf will manage the course:

http://www.troongolf.com/troon_news.cml?view=568

[Jason Topp]

None of the State water restrictions apply to courses located on Indian reservations.

Jason: Despite the odor, effluent has never been the source of supply for ASU Karsten. 

Mike: I predate the Karsten course.  I assumed they used effluent on campus. 

That's just the stink of the Sun Devils.

 

[Steve_ Shaffer]

I have been informed by the Casino that the course is scheduled to open in October.

[Tommy Williamsen]

Not only are artificial ponds a blight on modern golf courses. Artificial ponds on golf courses in Arizona is unconscionable. Did they mistake the landscape for Florida?

Why are artificial ponds in Arizona worse than anywhere else?

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