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Tim Martin

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2012, 10:41:22 AM »
::) >:( :'(


I'm sitting here in Atlantic City looking right at the ocean. My wife is a key employee at one of the casinos and though closed, they must staff and maintain the building, and guard the cash, thru the storm.  My home town of Ocean City has been evacuated , as are most of the barrier islands in NJ? So my dog Benji and hanging out in AC proper.


Looks like some real flooding issues associated with Sandy.  I've been thru a bunch of bad Noreasters but Sandy will likely be the worst we've faced since the 1962 storm , a real nasty. The duration prediction is just so long. The wind may not do as much damage to property and golf courses, as we've experienced some big wind storms lately that have culled lots of weaker trees from the crop.  It's not a summer weekend , but courses struggling for revenue will get another kick in the teeth , no doubt losing at least five days of decent action. As needed will continue reports from the eye of the storm.

 :'( :'(

Now think of this, a reprobate caddy, locked in a giant casino with no card games, no horse racing , no gambling ......ooh the humanity!



Archie-Stay safe and thanks for the laugh.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2012, 10:50:39 AM »
Power lost at my place at 10:10 AM.   >:(

Power back at 10:35.   ;D

Looking at this as a good omen.
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2012, 11:38:46 AM »
Rather than play devil advocate to panic, I will wish only the best to one and all. These storms do create damage and loss of life. It appears the storm surge in the Long Island Sound may push water into areas which are not prepared for storm surge. Additionally the storm surge is an issue all along the New Jersey and NYC area. High tide is the worst time. I am hoping the rain event is not as significant as it can be if it sits in Penn for 36 hours. I have lived through 20 or more now. Actually now have 8 Hurricanes where the eye came over me or my home.. It is still hard to believe no area would not be prepared for a cat one storm though. The NE gets winter storms which have equal or more issues associated with them. I actually should have written this a few days ago. I live in hurricane preparedness mode. I keep 2 weeks of food and water as well as materials to secure the windows if the winds are 120 and up. Naturally candles and flashlights with backup batteries. The gas tank is filled and capped. I do not under any curcumstances try to drive away from home before the storm hits. the gridlock from panic makes that more dangerous than staying home. 24 to 36 hours after the storm goes through the highways are clear assuming they are open and debre free. I have 2nd homes 225 miles west and 350 miles east. So if the utilities are going to be out for more than a few days I will move to one of these other homes. The main think is plan smart and do not let the TV and government types get you into a panic mode. Once one is prepared the weather even is unique especially if the eye comes over you.
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Mike Sweeney

Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2012, 11:54:36 AM »
The NE gets winter storms which have equal or more issues associated with them.

Here is the storm surge at the last high tide on NYC's East River:



Thanks goodness soon to run for President, Andrew Cuomo shut down the entire NYC transportation system before waiting to see that the storm turned south ! ?

I mean Sparky the Dog is getting his feet wet!
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 11:57:28 AM by Mike Sweeney »

jeffwarne

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2012, 12:02:00 PM »
Rather than play devil advocate to panic, I will wish only the best to one and all. These storms do create damage and loss of life. It appears the storm surge in the Long Island Sound may push water into areas which are not prepared for storm surge. Additionally the storm surge is an issue all along the New Jersey and NYC area. High tide is the worst time. I am hoping the rain event is not as significant as it can be if it sits in Penn for 36 hours. I have lived through 20 or more now. Actually now have 8 Hurricanes where the eye came over me or my home.. It is still hard to believe no area would not be prepared for a cat one storm though. The NE gets winter storms which have equal or more issues associated with them.

Tiger,
we get it
Hurricanes are stronger down there  ;)(just like football teams-Go Dawgs ;D ;D)

I guess you have missed the part where they the forecasters are saying ignore the wind speed and category 1 designation, and that this is like "no other storm weather experts have ever seen"
 If it's a historic storm, unlike any seen in the northeast 100 years, don't you think it's possible a few nonflood prone areas might be severely impacted and receive more damage than a normal Category 1 storm?
It's a hurricane and a noreaster all rolled into one, coming in the fall when tides are highest and during a full moon, combined with a 36-48 hour duration making it impossible not to get storm surge at Max high tide
 
You're right the Northeast gets severe winter storms
Can you name a winter event with "equal or more issues associated"?- I'm curious because I've never gone out to get the mail in a kayak before, like I just did.
Yes my mailbox is located above the 100 year flood zone, but perhaps I "didn't prune my trees" enough.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2012, 12:03:12 PM »
The NE gets winter storms which have equal or more issues associated with them.

Here is the storm surge at the last high tide on NYC's East River:



Thanks goodness soon to run for President, Andrew Cuomo shut down the entire NYC transportation system before waiting to see that the storm turned south ! ?

I mean Sparky the Dog is getting his feet wet!

Mike,
the next high tide is the issue
Seriously, where do people need to be going right now?
storm surge is worse north and east of the center, so turning south isn't helping NYC a whole lot
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 12:07:08 PM by jeffwarne »
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Mike Sweeney

Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2012, 12:14:36 PM »


Mike,
the next high tide is the issue
Seriously, where do people need to be going right now?
storm surge is worse north and east of the center, so turning south isn't helping NYC a whole lot

Jeff,

I ran a fishing boat for 6 seasons in the Baltimore and Wilmington Canyons. Want to make it interesting?  :D


jeffwarne

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2012, 12:19:30 PM »


Mike,
the next high tide is the issue
Seriously, where do people need to be going right now?
storm surge is worse north and east of the center, so turning south isn't helping NYC a whole lot

Jeff,

I ran a fishing boat for 6 seasons in the Baltimore and Wilmington Canyons. Want to make it interesting?  :D



Are we betting whether Sparky gets his belly wet ;) next high tide?
If so I'm in ;) ;D
nervously waiting on my new island......it's a bet I'd like to lose
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2012, 02:04:27 PM »
Archie, good luck, and cheers to your sense of humor.  ;D

As far as golf course damage and recovery, well.... I guess that is a pretty low priority in the overall scheme of things.  But, since we here on GCA.com do fret about these sort of things, it seems to me that this will range in impact over such and unusually large span of effected area, from routine storm clean up, to major landscape and turf sward restoration.  Long hours or days of flood water coverage of lower lying turf areas on courses, with silt and mud slides, will be hampered worse in restoration given we are at the end of any turf establishment growing season, entering winter months.  I imagine many of the near the coast flooded courses will be covered in salt to brackish water, further ruining turf.  I was wondering about a course like Newport CC.  As I remember it, it faces SW on the corner of that community.  But, with the river and storm surge, I don't think the orientation will help it much.  Thankfully those sort of courses are naturally sandy, and will drain out in days and weeks much faster that more silt-clay soils up some of those riverways. 

I don't think it is wise to play the regional game of our weather and catastrophic events are bigger than yours.  West has fire and mudslides, middle has ice storms and enormous snow events (ice storm of '76 was multi-state and caused as much $ damage as most major hurricanes)  Mother nature has ways of humbling us, no matter where you live, and just when you get cavalier about dire warnings, because some of the warnings are overstated for precautionary sake, that is when you decide to ignore it and WHAM - you are devastated!  Take care of yourselves and property, and just be thankful if it isn't as bad as it could be.  Good luck.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2012, 02:15:55 PM »
Since we have a lot of qualified and armchair economists and socio-economic mavens on this site.... how much do you think this sort of wide ranging event can effect economic measures like GDP and consumer prices indexes.  This has already closed down or cut bak a significant portion of our most vital commerce corridors for days. Throw in storm damage losses, and loss of commerce, that must effect by some tens of points, the GDP for a period of time, it seems to me.
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JNC Lyon

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2012, 02:17:35 PM »
I don't think the heavy stuff's going to come down for awhile...
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2012, 02:35:41 PM »
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2012, 02:46:04 PM »
This is big.  I'm at the red dot.

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Mike Sweeney

Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2012, 02:49:08 PM »
Since we have a lot of qualified and armchair economists and socio-economic mavens on this site.... how much do you think this sort of wide ranging event can effect economic measures like GDP and consumer prices indexes.  This has already closed down or cut bak a significant portion of our most vital commerce corridors for days. Throw in storm damage losses, and loss of commerce, that must effect by some tens of points, the GDP for a period of time, it seems to me.

Interesting article:

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/08/hurricane_isaac_and_the_government_how_natural_disasters_create_jobs_and_what_economic_policy_needs_to_learn_from_them_.html

Our friend Archie and his hometown is taking it on the chin today, but Ocean City seems to grow with each hurricane:

1920:



1932:



1962:



2012:


Ed Homsey

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2012, 03:05:32 PM »
We're politicizing a storm??!!  Isn't that OT?

I'm just worried about my granddaughter hunkered down in her Queens apartment, and the many folks I know from D.C. and up the coast. 

RJ_Daley

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2012, 03:38:14 PM »
Great link Mike! 

Ed, if your remark was aimed at the link Mike offered, I think you may be understandably reacting emotionally to the clear and present danger of the storm.  But, taking offense at the economics of the issue may be ignoring the reality of the overall impact regarding the 'big picture'.  One can't hardly separate the functionality of political decisions and their intersection with economic realities, particularly when decisions are demanded in crisis times.  It is all part of what we do to evaluate how we believe our government and economy are being managed to serve 'we the people'.  Evaluation of such, is why we vote locally, state, and nationally.  There are plenty of lessons to be learned, both in the historical mistakes and successes of our political-economic policies in the lead up and aftermath of devastating events like this, as well as evaluating how you perceive things are going, as they unfold. 

In my view, if our systems and institutions fail us at times like these, it is like loosing a war, or big battle.  Also, in my own view, the article and these sort of events say to me, austerity can be penny wise and dollar foolish.  And, administrative appointments to agencies that are charged to act in the rare but devastating events, based on cronyism vs competent and proven track records, are the show and tell exhibits that should guide our support for those we elect to run government and our economic institutions. 

Please take no offense, Ed.  I think all of us have a first and primary concern for those in harms way.
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2012, 04:04:52 PM »
It's 1600 ET here about 35 miles WNW of Philly, and the wind is really picking up.  Pickering Creek behind my house is out of its banks, and we're nowhere near the worst part of the storm.

This is definitely going to bring down trees.

BTW - Lake Ontario is going to have > 20' waves from this friggin storm tomorrow..

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2012, 04:12:52 PM »
Holy Mother of God, a 943 mb reading this am:



Just heard Sandy unofficially pulled a 940 mb reading. It is NOT the same but FYI that's a reading you expect to see in a Category 4 hurricane.

Also, 943 mb would be the lowest barometric pressure ever recorded north of Cape Hatteras, NC. (Yes, lower than the LI Express hurricane.)

Joe Bausch

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2012, 04:47:42 PM »
Check out the current pressure here near Villanova U to the right in the figure (unbelievably low 28.55"):

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Joe Bausch

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2012, 05:25:58 PM »
Lights are flickering at my place and at 28.49" Hg pressure, about 965 millibar.  I'd be very surprised if my area has ever been lower, or even close.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2012, 05:34:12 PM »
Check out the pressure readings in this format (probably won't be seen again in years):

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Josh Tarble

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2012, 05:45:20 PM »
Just saw that Jason Sobel retweeted the picture of Fishers Island, #13 pic.twitter.com/Kwio5X2b

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2012, 05:46:09 PM »
You're enjoying this aren't you, Joe? Whole lotta babies poppin' out tonite!

John_Cullum

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2012, 06:19:34 PM »
It doesn't appear that the winds ever really developed. No doubt there will be tons of rain. The coastal areas will be fine. It's inland that will suffer the flooding
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David Davis

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2012, 06:38:53 PM »
I'm no storm expert but the satellite photos look intimidating. I'm holding all you guys in my mind as I hit the hay tonight. Godspeed and safety to you, family and friends that may be in the storms path.
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