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RJ_Daley

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #75 on: October 29, 2012, 10:15:39 PM »
Watching CNN's Ali Velshi, he is reporting from some intersection in A.C. or O.C on Jersey Shore.  The highway there where he is standing looks like he is trying to stand in the middle of the Snake River in Jackson Hole!  I'm waiting to see a dorsal fin and a great white take his leg off!   ::)
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JSlonis

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #76 on: October 29, 2012, 10:23:13 PM »
Manhattan reporting water levels 3ft higher than any ever on record. I guess you can call this storm whatever you want but its truly historic  and devastating.   

RJ_Daley

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #77 on: October 29, 2012, 10:28:18 PM »
3ft if water reported on the floor of the NYSE!  Maria Bartaromo is deploying her personal floatation devices.  Shark repellent being implemented by several DOW 30 and Safe Harbor being employed by others... Gov. Chris Christie last seen beached with foot in mouth at Exit 16E of N.J. Turnpike.
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JSlonis

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #78 on: October 29, 2012, 10:41:32 PM »
RJ,

Actually Christie was last seen blasting the Mayor of Atlantic City for basically ignoring his mandatory evacuation request and assuring people they'd be ok. Needless to say, they are not ok in AC.

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #79 on: October 29, 2012, 10:49:49 PM »
Don't get me wrong. It's ugly. But it's not a hurricane

Dude, you are missing the story entirely. Are you trolling? You should know hurricanes are not about wind but surge. That's pretty basic knowledge.

This is from last 60 mins alone: NYU Hospital being *totally* evac'ed, PICU nurses manually bagging ventilator patients, TWO 2-alarms going in City, Coney Island Hospital on fire and FDNY blocked from accessing as *all* routes impassable, 30 W 15th Manhattan a crane has detached from bldg, roof collapse and building collapse in Brooklyn, "numerous people in the water Ave U and Ave L, fire at commercial building."

EDIT: USCG reporting "hundreds of people in water and in need of rescue" at Brooklyn commercial building fire.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2012, 10:51:52 PM by Mark Bourgeois »

RJ_Daley

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #80 on: October 29, 2012, 10:59:26 PM »
I remember not more that a few years ago with flooding along Mississippi and Missouri River, and a nuke plant on Missouri R was only a few more feet from breech of levy and compromised.  Just how many nuke plants are on rivers that are going to flood with storm surge to unprecedented heights. A pretty dramatic video has been running of a Con Ed plant blowing its stack in Manhattan.  :-\

Jamie, I think some media and other politicians are trying to walk that back, with Christie's tantrum at his news conference.  Apparently, that Mayor had also advised people to evacuate.  But the reality was that many did not heed the warning in a timely manner and it became too late to safely leave anymore, and leaving and getting caught out in the torential rain, wind etc., would put emergencies services that would have to effect a rescue, themselves in peril.  Thus (and this is only one version I heard) that Mayor said, if you haven't left by then, don't try now, find a higher floor in your building or nearest high place and wait there.  Perhaps a politician who was a little smarter would have held his powder, and taken it up with that Mayor in private first, rather than the instant foot in mouth disease suffered on the fly.  But don't worry, Mittens seems to have his end of it under management and he looks very presidential (not) in his proclamations of how it is all battened down in the Ohio epicenter.  Despite his proclamations of how FEMA money should be given directly to the State gov's, and private enterprise to deal with disaster recovery, and the Fed management is a waste, when in Mass as Gov, his state was given post Katrina money by the Fed, and refused to use the surpluss of Mass for relief efforts for the many that migrated out of NOLA to Mass, as happened with many migrations in Katrina aftermath.  But, it is a wonderful thing to see Mitten's and Chrissie's rush to say something... anything... in a soundbite- with not much substance.  
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JSlonis

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #81 on: October 29, 2012, 11:37:53 PM »
RJ,

I dont think Christie and the AC mayor have been on good terms for a couple of years. I wouldn't be surprised with anything where they're concerned.

As for the Romney stuff, I'll keep quiet because I'm an anti Obama guy and regardless of affiliation, this storm is one huge disaster.

In storm related news, the wind has started to pick up in force again here.  Hope we have power when I wake up.

Night all...
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Ben Sims

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #82 on: October 30, 2012, 12:24:08 AM »
Watching Letterman with no audience is certainly weird. 

Bill Shotzbarger

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #83 on: October 30, 2012, 01:52:56 AM »
Just saw that Jason Sobel retweeted the picture of Fishers Island, #13 pic.twitter.com/Kwio5X2b


David Kelly

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #84 on: October 30, 2012, 02:44:49 AM »
3ft if water reported on the floor of the NYSE!

Completely false, no water on the NYSE floor. Also false was the story of the trapped Con Ed workers at a power plant. And the picture making the rounds of a shark in someone's from yard. And the picture of the soldiers guarding the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.  Interesting to see how bogus rumors get spread on message boards like this.
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Tony Ristola

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #85 on: October 30, 2012, 06:00:41 AM »

Our friend Archie and his hometown is taking it on the chin today, but Ocean City seems to grow with each hurricane:

1920:



1932:



1962:



2012:


This keeps up there will be enough land for a New Lido!

Sad photos's of Fisher's Island.
How would/is NGLA fare/faring?

Hope all are safe.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2012, 06:03:36 AM by Tony Ristola »

archie_struthers

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #86 on: October 30, 2012, 06:40:37 AM »
 ;D 8) ;D

Thanks for all the good karma sent our way from the treehouse.  Tuesday morning and it seems like we have weathered the worst of the  storm with very few fatalities, thank God.   It was pretty scary, as the tidal surge from the hurricane reached record levels in most of the barrier islands  here at the shore. The storm moved a little faster than anticipated , and may have kept the surge from completely wiping out some homes.

Lots of clean up coming for many , and golf is an afterthought , even for us crazies.  Thanks again to all , and a special shout out to Mike Malone , he finds the coolest stuff.   Wish the Bongo room was open in Avalon to throw back a couple cold ones post clean up!

Howard Riefs

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #87 on: October 30, 2012, 08:56:50 AM »
Holes at Liberty National are under water.

http://instagram.com/p/RXgBWYngPU/

I imagine that Bayonne, four miles to the south, is in similar shape.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #88 on: October 30, 2012, 10:39:33 AM »
The NE gets winter storms which have equal or more issues associated with them.

Here is the storm surge at the last high tide on NYC's East River:



Thanks goodness soon to run for President, Andrew Cuomo shut down the entire NYC transportation system before waiting to see that the storm turned south ! ?

I mean Sparky the Dog is getting his feet wet!

Turns out "running a fishing boat" isn't qualification for ensuring public safety
Kudos to officials for getting it right
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Mark McKeever

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #89 on: October 30, 2012, 10:48:32 AM »
Just saw that Jason Sobel retweeted the picture of Fishers Island, #13 pic.twitter.com/Kwio5X2b



Wow.  What a powerful image.  Unfortunately we lost power late last night due to the wind after the rain came through.

Mark
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Howard Riefs

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #90 on: October 30, 2012, 11:02:09 AM »
MGA has more photos of damage on various courses in the Met area.

http://www.mgagolf.org/news/october/2012/sandy
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Mike Sweeney

Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #91 on: October 30, 2012, 11:11:05 AM »


Turns out "running a fishing boat" isn't qualification for ensuring public safety
Kudos to officials for getting it right

Jeff,

I lived at the Jersey Shore, NYC and The Hamptons for most of my life. I have a pretty good idea of how hurricanes penetrate the region.

Hurricanes are very isolating, and New Jersey got slammed being in the eye. We have had a family house (now my sister's) on the beach in Avalon, NJ for 45 years and it is now probably gone. This is what I expected when I wrote this yesterday as the path was clear. Perhaps my sister got a break as it was south of the eye, if not, she will rebuild the house my parents built when we were kids.

I just came back from a 3 mile walk in Manhattan and please stop watching every report from Zone 1 at the lowest points of Manhattan. I saw 2 trees down walking along Central Park. After 20 years of being in NYC and seeing 9/11, two power outages with COMPLETE shutdowns of the city, and numerous storms, I am sorry but this is a very distant fourth, if that.

Tomorrow the world will start to get back to normal, first the buses, then the planes, and then the subways....

I am not a cry wolf kind of guy. I have a 25 year old woman flying in Friday from Herat, Afghanistan to work with us under a work visa for a year. She lived under the control of the Taliban for 2 years as a WOMAN in Afghanistan:

http://capitalpartners.filmannex.com/blog/bid/138280/Film-Annex-Afghanistan-Fereshteh-Forough-Afghan-Citadel-Software-Company

I will take a few lost houses and subway stations over 9/11 and living under that sort of terror any day.

If you want to see real devastation from Sandy, take a look at Haiti:


Cheers.

RJ_Daley

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #92 on: October 30, 2012, 11:27:29 AM »
Quote
I just came back from a 3 mile walk in Manhattan and please stop watching every report from Zone 1 at the lowest points of Manhattan. I saw 2 trees down walking along Central Park. After 20 years of being in NYC and seeing 9/11, two power outages with COMPLETE shutdowns of the city, and numerous storms, I am sorry but this is a very distant fourth, if that.

I don't know, Mike.  That is an interesting perspective with you walking about Central Manhattan.  But, yours doesn't seem to square with the video we see on the news channels.  Granted, a news camera can put a reporter in a location with a backdrop of an isolated damaged building or a street covered in sand 4ft, or a tanker run aground, and all that.  It can then look on the small screen like it is a catastrophe of of the wide range.  Yet, we have to consider that even if there are a series of isolated disaster zones of a few blocks at a time, etc., this ranges over 1000 miles and deep into the mainland.  If the reports are accurate that many won't get power back on for 7-10 days or more, get back to me on that.  If they have the transit system essentially closed for many days to weeks like trains from NJ to NY, the damage to commerce and such is going to mount.  I just can't see your comment this is a distant 4th in devastation.  But, I do think your "Slate" link was very good reading and probably is a big picture long range way to view this sort of thing.  BTW, your photo of Haiti seems like the same sort of small screen depiction that may skew the big wide view.  And, if all of Haiti was devastated, it would be a fraction of the area of this storm land mass.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #93 on: October 30, 2012, 12:06:53 PM »
Mike
Nobodys trying to compare disasters
Just saying it was right to close subways
Your original post implied otherwise

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Mike Sweeney

Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #94 on: October 30, 2012, 12:29:05 PM »
Mike
Nobodys trying to compare disasters
Just saying it was right to close subways
Your original post implied otherwise



Jeff,

Here is what I wrote:

Thanks goodness soon to run for President, Andrew Cuomo shut down the entire NYC transportation system before waiting to see that the storm turned south ! ?

Bold was added for emphasis. My opinion is and was that they did not need to shut down the system on Sunday night at 7PM. I did not ever question that Cuomo should not shut down the system.

Dick,

I played golf two groups ahead on Mayor Rudy Guiliani on 9/8/01 at Long Island National. He was playing with his mistress (now wife), living on the couch of his gay friend (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/rudy_breaks_vows_AegbfVjepc3Fjxnuq2lNNM), playing a PUBLIC golf course and spending weekends at the mistress' condo on Noyac Road in Southampton.

On 9/8/01, New York City was tired of Mayor Rudy.

9/11/01 happened and he did an unbelievable job and deserves the millions that he made as a result. It clearly changed his life.

Now every politician uses these events for style points. New Jersey got slammed. New York it is an inconvenience.

It is my opinion that our current Mayor Bloomberg would not have shut down the system till late on Sunday night. Reality is Bloomberg has no say in the matter and Cuomo runs the MTA, and Cuomo shut it down when he did.

Chris Christy shut down the PATH at midnight, which was more reasonable to me:

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/PATH-to-shut-down-trains-Monday-ahead-of-storm-3988236.php

I like Cuomo and Christy equally, and I wish they were our current choices for President. That said, I do see how events get manipulated and the next time I comment on Wisconsin politics, it will be my first time.  :D ;)
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2012, 12:38:38 PM »
I went out today and in to work (where we have heat and electricity, unlike my home) and a word of caution:  big ole trees in the road are easy to see, but to me what is more subtle are the roads, at least where I am in SE PA, are nearly covered with wet leaves.  And if you need to stop quickly, good luck.  Very slippery.

Be careful out there.
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John_Cullum

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2012, 01:08:29 PM »
Jeff

I hope you made it through in one piece. I said a prayer for you.

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RJ_Daley

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #97 on: October 30, 2012, 01:20:52 PM »
Mike, I'm not sure about Giulliani fatique setting in before 9/11.  I'm not sure that Rudy was the be all and end all public figure head thrust in the eye of the crisis, and that no other politician or civic leader was equal to Rudy's task. There are a lot of smart people out there, and Bloomberg isn't a chimp himself.  All credit to Rudy for doing a great job, in his lame duck and extended time as NY Mayor at that time. But, there were many competent people who made up the staff of that spear and were invaluable to the executive leading the effort.  People of all ilk and beliefs pulled together, nearly without exception, as it should be.

I know that our local and cheesehead state politics may not be on the tip of your tongue.  But, the reverse will never be true of how we provincials are more than willing to follow and opine on NYC and region politics.  You are the epicenter of the world's attention there, for better or worse.  So, we country mice will put in our two cents, no matter what.  It will in fact be just about all we have to watch for news for many days to come.  So, if you'd care to follow news (which you obviously are diligent about with your many interesting and informative links backing up what you opine - which I for one appreciate) also feel free to follow dairyland news, because believe it or not, we got something to show and tell every now and then....  ::) ;D ;D

I'm just not getting your points of distinction between shutting down the subway vs Path by a variance of 4-6 hours, and how that really is a rally point in evaluating these state and local gov executives management effectiveness.  These response to disaster management and recovery measures are done many months and years of putting competent department managers in place, when nothing is going wrong, and proper protocol templates and manuel of procedures promulgated by their staff, rehearsed and understood by the army of first responders, medical facilities, and support utilities crews who hold joint regional disaster practice scenarios as often as budgets allow.  That is where these efforts rubber meets the road, IMO.  You drill to be able to respond efficiently and not waste time when it really happens.  They don't just make this stuff up on the fly.  And, every disaster has - should teach us something.  Start with the Johnstown flood of 1889, and lessons not learned from previous dam collapses there, and subsequent ones, that not until 1936 were proper stronger dam measures ordered by.... The Federal Gobment!  :o ;)  

Having those unseen and unheard 'bureaucrats' when they do their job well, shuffling procedure protocol papers, and crunching supply and logistic numbers in some basement office at FEMA or your regional centers, may not be sexy, but these people who do it right, are invaluable to the figurehead executives when the shi## hits the fan.  (read the story and a movie was made of the disaster management guy at Souix City IA, prior to the DC-10 landing early there)  These folks live and breath on the planning stuff.  So, I get a little uncomfortable when some pol says these are wasted positions, and government largess.  I've been in a couple regional disasters, one where 19 people were killed and 100+injured, and one that lasted a week power off,etc.  We used to thrive on the rush of doing your job when it really counts and you need to step up to help your fellow citizens.  That is what these folks live for and why they sign on.  And, when they are dissed, as some are want to do these days of anti-public worker sentiments, I don't see teaparty organizers running into the burning buildings, or wading into the flooded power line strewn zones, working 12-16hour shifts, not so much...  :-\

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Mike Sweeney

Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #98 on: October 30, 2012, 01:39:50 PM »
Dick and Jeff,

In a heinous twist of fate, our friends from downtown have just arrived at our apartment as their apartment on Avenue C in the East Village is without power. Helen, who is 12 years old, brought the family dog, and he looks just like the dog from yesterday's picture on the East River.  :D :'(

Oh I got spanked on this one with three kids and three adults in one apartment!

I will have to go to Father Mucci of New Jersey for confession when he gets back from Florida where he is riding out the storm playing golf after a tour of LA's finest golf clubs!

I am clearly doing something wrong!

RJ_Daley

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Re: Hurricane Sandy looks like a Dandy
« Reply #99 on: October 30, 2012, 01:44:33 PM »
Bless me Fr., Mucci, for I "too" have sinned!  ;D ;D ;D

Isn't there some Canonical law that a BC guy can't make confession to a ND guy, nor complete said ND guy's penance directive?  ::)
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