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Sven Nilsen

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The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« on: October 05, 2012, 10:55:01 AM »
Watching the Dunhill and Kingsbarns looks absolutely amazing.  The wide shots are breathtaking and the close-ups of the various humps, hillocks and crevasses are enticing.  The announcers did a good job of describing the manufactured nature of the course, leading me to think about other "enhanced" courses.  Whistling Straits and Shadow Creek immediately popped up into my mind.

Ignoring the conversation of whether the ground was ever really fit for the purpose and the if the economics of building the course are worth it, what else makes this list?

As an aside, this morning was the first time I've heard a conversation of the Reverse Old Course on air.
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Eric Smith

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2012, 11:34:02 AM »
Sven,

Back in the Baywatch era, it was at the Legends in Myrtle Beach that I first saw (and fell in love with) 'Pamela Anderson' on a golf course.



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Sven Nilsen

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2012, 12:04:26 PM »
Eric:

Scrumptious, bet it looks amazing in slow motion.

Sven

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Richard Choi

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 12:23:44 PM »
I am guessing nobody moved as much dirt as they did with Bayonne.



All that you see is mud drudged from the bottom of the Hudson river. This place used to be a completely flat swamp.
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 12:36:12 PM »
Richard:

The textbook case of liposuction and collagen implants?

Sven
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David_Tepper

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 12:42:44 PM »
What about the mounds at Myopia Hunt Club, built 100+ years ago?
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 01:06:28 PM »
David:

I see those more like a bustle, merely accentuating the stone walls (contours) that were already there.

Sven
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Anders Rytter

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2012, 01:23:12 PM »
Arcadia Bluffs i believe, haven't been there though.
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Jud_T

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2012, 01:33:23 PM »
Rawls Course @ Texas Tech?
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2012, 01:40:54 PM »
Arcadia - Jennifer Grey's rhinoplasty (taking a decent piece of propety and shaving out the rough spots)?

Rawls - the classic example of going from flat to bumpy, but without resorting to excess?
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SL_Solow

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 04:50:10 PM »
Not as excessive but The Glen Club in Glenview Illinois was converted from a naval air base to a "Fazio".
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2012, 05:27:04 PM »
Shelley -

Another example of molding contours out of a dead flat surface with the alterations being readily apparent.  Perhaps Heidi Montag for this one?

Sven
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2012, 06:05:36 PM »
I've studied mounding for quite a few years.  What I have come to appreciate is how some architects and shapers can make the mounding look natural and others quite fake.

Below is an unusual view of Arcadia Bluffs.
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Matt Kardash

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2012, 08:23:38 PM »
I actually think the shaping PB Dye did at Legends is pretty cool.
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Sean_A

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2012, 03:38:49 AM »
Quote from: Eric Smith on October 05, 2012, 11:34:02 AM
Sven,

Back in the Baywatch era, it was at the Legends in Myrtle Beach that I first saw (and fell in love with) 'Pamela Anderson' on a golf course.





This has gone overboard into Jordan territory. 

Joel, how do the mounds look at eye level?  I don't often play golf from planes.

Ciao
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James Bennett

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2012, 03:39:43 AM »
Sven

Riviera 2nd, 9th and 18th green complex was a pretty good creation by George Thomas.

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Matthew Mollica

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2012, 06:57:22 AM »
Nice suggestion James.

I've not been to Chambers Bay, but something tells me it belongs in this discussion.

MM
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Andrew Lewis

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2012, 08:11:46 AM »

On the classic side, I'd submit the Old White course at the Greenbrier.  Although not as ostentatious for size as for shape, the "dragon's teeth" on the 5th hole (Mounds) and 8th hole (Redan) can't help but bring Madonna's cone-bra years to mind.
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Neil White

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2012, 01:34:28 PM »
Quote from: Eric Smith on October 05, 2012, 11:34:02 AM
Sven,

Back in the Baywatch era, it was at the Legends in Myrtle Beach that I first saw (and fell in love with) 'Pamela Anderson' on a golf course.



Just infront of the bunker in the foreground looks to be a popular spot - maintenance headache me thinks...........

Neil.
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William_G

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2012, 05:33:32 PM »
Quote from: Matthew Mollica on October 06, 2012, 06:57:22 AM
Nice suggestion James.

I've not been to Chambers Bay, but something tells me it belongs in this discussion.

MM
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Also Whistling Straits- Irish and Straits Courses
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations New
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2012, 05:43:12 PM »
Quote from: William_Grieve on October 06, 2012, 05:33:32 PM
Quote from: Matthew Mollica on October 06, 2012, 06:57:22 AM
Nice suggestion James.

I've not been to Chambers Bay, but something tells me it belongs in this discussion.

MM
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Also Whistling Straits- Irish and Straits Courses

I put Whistling Straits in the bad mounding section.  Although the humps and bumps are not symetrical, they are so overdone it looks terrible.  Pete needed to scale it back by 30 percent.

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William_G

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2012, 07:08:11 PM »
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archie_struthers

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2012, 09:37:03 PM »
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At Twisted Dune we moved more than four million yards, we sold almost 3.5  fill the h tract in Atlantic City. (Borgata et al)  so most of our excess was gone .  We cut it away rather than mounded up, which I believe makes it easier to look natural. More like Kate Upton  than Pammy. Lol
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Tim Gavrich

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Re: The Pamela Andersons (c. 1991) - Man Made Undulations
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2012, 09:59:31 PM »
Moorland is a seriously fun golf course; it would be unfair to the effort put forth there by P.B. Dye to dismiss the course out of hand from the two pictures posted on this thread.

Here's the thread I did on Moorland a couple years ago, which has more pictures that are less, shall we say, accentuative of the undulation and probably closer to reality (though I concede the point about cameras flattening things a bit).
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