BUDA XI

[Bill_McBride]

I reckon we could fix up some weekend play on a Carne/Enniscrone ticket, though of course it depends upon club schedules.  All a bit immaterial unless our American cousins express an interest, so over to you chaps.

Two thumbs up!

[Ben Stephens]

It seems that 2014 is more or less fixed at Carne/Enniscrone 

Could this be the first BUDA with teams being lead by Golf Course Architects? Ally for ROW and Robin for GB+I


Nothing has been decided yet for 2013 venue for BUDA XI which is a big GCA year due to

US Open - Merion
Open - Muirfield
Walker Cup - NGLA
BUDA XI - ??

Cheers
Ben

[Ben Stephens]

Giles (and maybe Philip) said he would be happy to host next year's BUDA at Huntercombe it would work keeping the single course element.

[Ulrich Mayring]

+1 Huntercombe 2013. Could it get any better than that?

Ulrich

[Jack_Marr]

I've only participated in one day of BUDA in my life but if you wish me (probably along with veterans Muldoon & Hiseman) to organise one for Carne / Enniscrone / Strandhill then I'd be delighted... May I suggest that 2014 might be the year for that though... We'll have the new 9 well & truly up and running and hopefully integrated by that time... Just shout and I will oblige... Ally

That would be an excellent option...

[Robin_Hiseman]

It seems that 2014 is more or less fixed at Carne/Enniscrone 

Could this be the first BUDA with teams being lead by Golf Course Architects? Ally for ROW and Robin for GB+I


Nothing has been decided yet for 2013 venue for BUDA XI which is a big GCA year due to

US Open - Merion
Open - Muirfield
Walker Cup - NGLA
BUDA XI - ??

Cheers
Ben

...except that Ally is as Scottish and hence as British as they come (at least until after the BUDA in 2014 if Mr. Salmond get his way), so he should, by rights, be the GB & I skipper.

[Giles Payne]

I need to check course availability for Huntercombe - which I am doing.

One possible fly in the ointment is the cost of accomodation in Henley (I don't think that we would want to stay in Wallingford). The hotels are not cheap - if we want one central point - the alternative would be to use B&Bs and base ourselves in one pub/bar.

Plus side - plenty of good places to eat or drink, although I can't promise a beer festival.

I will update on progress as soon as I make any.

[Ally Mcintosh]

It seems that 2014 is more or less fixed at Carne/Enniscrone 

Could this be the first BUDA with teams being lead by Golf Course Architects? Ally for ROW and Robin for GB+I


Nothing has been decided yet for 2013 venue for BUDA XI which is a big GCA year due to

US Open - Merion
Open - Muirfield
Walker Cup - NGLA
BUDA XI - ??

Cheers
Ben

...except that Ally is as Scottish and hence as British as they come (at least until after the BUDA in 2014 if Mr. Salmond get his way), so he should, by rights, be the GB & I skipper.

As a bit of a new face amongst BUDA ranks, I most certainly am not the right person to skipper (although you would be Mr.Hiseman)... I much prefer to organise festivities and then skulk around in the background... Although I'd be more than happy - as I'm sure Eamon Mangan would also - to give a low-down on the development of the new nine at the dinner.

[David Davis]

Personally, I'd go anywhere if I can fit it into the schedule, England, Ireland, Scotland, France....

However, I see there is a need to promote your local venues so I will give a couple more strong arguments for The Netherlands (Holland).

British pound high, dollar high - euro low. Not that you fellas are in need of watching pennies or pence a smart investor plays the currencies in their favor while they can.

Logistics - all cheap airlines fly into Amsterdam. US airlines fly direct into Amsterdam in most cases. Courses are 20 minutes from the airport (Noordwijkse, Kennemer, Royal Hague). Ryanair even flies into Eindhoven (1.5 hour drive to Noordwijk/Amsterdam)

Accommodation choices may be either Amsterdam (30 minutes from the courses) or Noordwijk aan Zee (which is a beach town). Noordwijk aan Zee is 10 minutes from Noordwijk and 30 minutes from Kennemer. (20 from Royal Hague).

Cuisine (while I'm sure it can be argued in some circles, nothing beats haggis or other high end island cuisine) - The Netherlands is going to blow away any of the competition I've seen in this area. (I'll personally make sure of that). That being said as I've already shared with Ally the best food I've ever had at a golf course in the UK or Ireland was at Carne.

Adult beverages - Heineken, Amstel, jenever, Hoogaarden, Wiekse Witte, Duvel, Ketel 1 and whatever imports that may interest you.

Non-golf entertainment - hard to beat Amsterdam I suppose (although I sure this would not be of interest to many) Always nice to combine great golf and architecture with some mild site seeing.

Links and heathland options. Great play for extra days.

Option to throw in Belgium as well. Although not worth the drive and commute for a short trip to NL in my opinion as there is enough great courses here close by.

[Ulrich Mayring]

Nordwijkse and Kennemer sounds great to me as well, especially if Royal Hague can be a post or pre BUDA option (don't know their visitor policy). The cuisine argument ... well ... I'm not completely sold on that! Suffice it to say that gastronomically the Netherlands isn't Belgium, but if you survived Fish & Chips, then a Pannekoekenhuis should do you ok

Ulrich

[Michael Whitaker]

I like the idea that BUDA (more often than not) takes me to courses that I might not have visited otherwise:  Liphook, Hankley Common, Silloth, Littlestone, Elie, Lundin Links, Southerndown, Pennard, etc.

With that in mind, I love the idea of visiting some links/heathland courses on the other side of the channel. If that is what happens I'll be there. Huntercombe, however, is a FABULOUS location for a BUDA... for me it represents the quintessential example of how to construct a great course on an average piece of land. As I've said many times, no golf course architect should be allow to design a course without having spent a week at Huntercombe. As for accommodations, there are options galore if one thinks outside the box... consider all the options within a £10 taxi ride and the problem is solved, I think. Also, there are a LOT of quality courses within reasonable striking distance from Huntercombe.

I vote for Carne/Enniscrone for 2014. Nothing could be finer.

[David Davis]

Nordwijkse and Kennemer sounds great to me as well, especially if Royal Hague can be a post or pre BUDA option (don't know their visitor policy). The cuisine argument ... well ... I'm not completely sold on that! Suffice it to say that gastronomically the Netherlands isn't Belgium, but if you survived Fish & Chips, then a Pannekoekenhuis should do you ok

Ulrich

Ulrich, I agree, Belgium IMO has the best food in the world. All the benefits of French influence with the Belgian's take on the relaxed and endless enjoys of eating and drinking superb food and wine.

I will personally guarantee the quality of food for this trip and it won't be fish & chips and certainly not pancake houses no more than a trip to Germany would entail wurst and sauerkraut. (not that there is anything wrong with that, I a big fan of German food as well). Standard Dutch food hardly exists but the ethnic kitchens here are fantastic as are the # of places with French and Belgian influence. However you have to know where you are going.

[Robin_Hiseman]

I vote for Carne/Enniscrone for 2014. Nothing could be finer.

Say no more...

[Ally Mcintosh]

I vote for Carne/Enniscrone for 2014. Nothing could be finer.

Say no more...

As it happens I was talking to the good folks at Carne this afternoon and mentioned this in passing.

They'd be most delighted to accommodate us all. Weekend play is surely possible and during most times of the year so you can take this as a done deal should you want to. Robin & I can iron out the details later.

[Tony_Muldoon]

Personally, I'd go anywhere if I can fit it into the schedule, England, Ireland, Scotland, France....

However, I see there is a need to promote your local venues so I will give a couple more strong arguments for The Netherlands (Holland).

British pound high, dollar high - euro low. Not that you fellas are in need of watching pennies or pence a smart investor plays the currencies in their favor while they can.

Logistics - all cheap airlines fly into Amsterdam. US airlines fly direct into Amsterdam in most cases. Courses are 20 minutes from the airport (Noordwijkse, Kennemer, Royal Hague). Ryanair even flies into Eindhoven (1.5 hour drive to Noordwijk/Amsterdam)

Accommodation choices may be either Amsterdam (30 minutes from the courses) or Noordwijk aan Zee (which is a beach town). Noordwijk aan Zee is 10 minutes from Noordwijk and 30 minutes from Kennemer. (20 from Royal Hague).

Cuisine (while I'm sure it can be argued in some circles, nothing beats haggis or other high end island cuisine) - The Netherlands is going to blow away any of the competition I've seen in this area. (I'll personally make sure of that). That being said as I've already shared with Ally the best food I've ever had at a golf course in the UK or Ireland was at Carne.

Adult beverages - Heineken, Amstel, jenever, Hoogaarden, Wiekse Witte, Duvel, Ketel 1 and whatever imports that may interest you.

Non-golf entertainment - hard to beat Amsterdam I suppose (although I sure this would not be of interest to many) Always nice to combine great golf and architecture with some mild site seeing.

Links and heathland options. Great play for extra days.

Option to throw in Belgium as well. Although not worth the drive and commute for a short trip to NL in my opinion as there is enough great courses here close by.

David, my business involves importing plants so you can imagine I’m very familiar with Holland and love visiting.  I need no convincing as to the quality of the hospitality , food, architecture etc.

As Mark suggested in an earlier post I think you will be able to devise a better BUDA once you’ve played in one yourself and met the gang.  Typically there’s a hard core of about a dozen faces who turn up wherever  they’re summoned to; and another score who play in it regularly when they can.  Add to this a few who join each year because the venue is close at hand or it fits with other plans they’ve made.  It makes for a very loose relaxed group who share a common affinity for fine golf and socialising. 

There’s clearly an appetite within the group to take it Europe and as you say it’s as easy for the US contingent to fly into Schipol as it is to anywhere in GB.  It will be amusing if they are offered cheaper flights - with a change at Heathrow!  I’d be happy to help you organise this.

[Eric Smith]

I worry that a Holland BUDA wouldn't be any fun.

[Mark Pearce]

I worry that a Holland BUDA wouldn't be any fun.

You should worry about a Dutch BUDA.  You should worry that you might not survive Amsterdam.

[Robin_Hiseman]

I worry that a Holland BUDA wouldn't be any fun.

Bone dry Eric. 

[ward peyronnin]

I have never , never seen Mr.  Candyman Smith without a shiteatin grin on his face so his timid, timorous fears regarding Holland I jut ain't buyin.

In addition to beer and golf the third triumverate , babes, are available in Amsterdam. I like it but also....

I can all but guarantee my attendance either there at Huntercombe where I could slash thru some of those great courses surrounding London which are a gap in my portfolio

[Ben Stephens]

I worry that a Holland BUDA wouldn't be any fun.

Bone dry Eric. 

Eric,

Theres the red light district in Amsterdam, many fine quality dutch lagers plus clogs!!

Plenty to do in the Netherlands - the future is bright the future's orange!!

Cheers
Ben

[Mark Pearce]

I have never , never seen Mr.  Candyman Smith without a shiteatin grin on his face so his timid, timorous fears regarding Holland I jut ain't buyin.

In addition to beer and golf the third triumverate , babes, are available in Amsterdam. I like it but also....

I can all but guarantee my attendance either there at Huntercombe where I could slash thru some of those great courses surrounding London which are a gap in my portfolio

Wardo,

I'm sorry but Mr Smith was unable to last the pace at BUDA this year and cried off the final day's singles, citing exhaustion.  If he can't cope with the sleepy Cumbrian town of Silloth then fears for his health in Ansterdam must be very, very real.

[ward peyronnin]

Mark

I will take him under my wing at this years Dixie Cup and begin him on a strict and comprehensive training regimen for next year

[Mark Pearce]

Mark

I will take him under my wing at this years Dixie Cup and begin him on a strict and comprehensive training regimen for next year

Thank you.  A responsible thing to do.

[Eric Smith]

Wardo,

I'm sorry but Mr Smith was unable to last the pace at BUDA this year and cried off the final day's singles, citing exhaustion.  If he can't cope with the sleepy Cumbrian town of Silloth then fears for his health in Ansterdam must be very, very real.

In my defense, counselor, I had played 11 rounds in 7 days. With plenty of Belhaven sprinkled in between. Of course, I say this without expectation of sympathy from this august body. 

[David Davis]

Guys,

Not to second guess how extremely difficult of a group you all are, how fussy and perfectionistic I'm certain your expectation are and how decadent your golf tastes are, I've organized so many golf trips to The Netherlands, Scotland, Ireland, US and any other place for myself and other people that I know struggle to appreciate anything but their very specific wishes that I'm certain a couple chats with one of your senior respected veterans and knowing your very specific wishes, dietary requirements and allergy afflictions it's basically a no brainer.

As for fun, seriously if you can't have fun in The Netherlands I'm seriously concerned and I've not even started to sell things like the Red Light District, coffee shops etc etc which are not for everyone, but if that's what the group wants that's fine, I won't judge. It's not my thing but you wouldn't be the first non-stag, stag party I've survived. I honor the Vegas rule here, what happens in Amsterdam stays in Amsterdam.

As mentioned the group would not have to stay in Amsterdam either. Noordwijk is brilliant if the festivities only amount to adult beverages and R&R plus a speech or two from an industry expert.

I don't care what year it happens as the only thing in it for me is getting to meet all the attendants and be a good host which I very much enjoy. On the other side, it's nicer to offer to arrange first and give a good time to others as the new guy rather than just take from someone that's been already doing it for years.

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