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Mark Saltzman

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Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« on: August 08, 2012, 10:22:32 PM »






Before we get on to the GCA, some relevant tidbits from the Old Works website (http://www.oldworks.org/FAQ_6c355c1d9d5c04ae.html)

What makes Old Works such a unique course?
There are several reasons Old Works is so unique. It is the first and only course built on a Federal EPA Superfund site. It is the only Jack Nicklaus signature course in the state of Montana, the course is owned by Anaconda Deer-Lodge County making it one of only a handful of Nicklaus signature publicly owned golf courses. The course incorporates many elements from Anaconda's historic copper smelter on site including black slag in all of the courses bunkers, making for a stunning contrast to white bunker sand found on most other golf courses.

How is the black sand to play from?
The slag a by-product of the copper smelting process is fairly easy to play from. The material is fairly dense and therefore very seldom will you get a ball to plug or bury. We recommend that when playing here a sandwedge with little bounce would be preferable. A typical greenside bunker shot should be played taking a bit less sand and being firm down and through the shot.

Course Construction
In 1883, an Irish immigrant, Marcus Daly backed by J.B. Haggin and others purchased the land on which the city of Anaconda and the Old Works were to be built. In September 1884 the Upper Works began production, with a capacity to treat 500 tons of ore daily. (Remnants of the Upper Works can be seen today when playing the front nine at Old Works.) In 1886, installing updated equipment increased capacity to 1,000 tons per day. The need for more smelting capacity from the Butte mine's resulted in construction beginning on the Lower Works in 1887, one mile east of the Upper Works. Shortly after completion, the Lower Works were destroyed by fire. The rebuilt Lower Works were operational by 1889 with a capacity to process 3,000 tons of ore daily. To keep up with the ore supply, a third smelter was planned across the valley. Marcus Daly never saw these Reduction Works in operation; he died in New York in 1900.

The new more modern Washoe Smelter had the capacity to process all of the ore from the Butte mines, resulting in the dismantling and closure of the Old Works. The location lay idle until 1983 when it became a super fund cleanup site. In 1989, Anaconda citizen's formed a group to promote the construction of a "world class" golf course on the site. Through hard work and cooperation, between the community, ARCO, State and Federal Agencies along with golf legend Jack Nicklaus, ground was broken on May 26, 1994.



Scorecard Information




The Routing


The front nine routing is exceptional as Nicklaus smoothly (aside from a couple of walk-backs) moves the golfer over some extreme terrain and into the side of the mountain.  Most importantly, holes not only move up and down the mountain, but run across its side leaving golfer with fairways that tilt both leftward and rightward.  Despite the elevation change the course is comfortably walkable.  The front nine, in my opinion, is very worthy of study and among the best 9 holes I've seen from Nicklaus.

The back nine routing, while often changing directions, is limited first by its flat nature.  More importantly, however, the use of water on the back-nine is predictable and uninteresting.




Hole by Hole Analysis -- All photos and yardages from the 7,211 Yard gold tees (73.4/131)

The first hole is hardly a gentle handshake for golfers playing from either of the back two sets (both over 7200 yards) as the driving zone is almost completely blind and a long forced-carry is required.  Perhaps the only weak spot on a very good strong nine.




All is forgiven, though, as the green site at the 1st is very well done, tucked nicely against the stream that runs through the property (and over which the tee shot was played).




The very short par-4 2nd features a fascinating tee shot.  Lots of width and I blind shot await the golfer who chooses to play back to the 150 marker.  Golfers that can make the 200 yard carry to the top level will deal with a much narrowed fairway but a clear look at the green.




The par-5 3rd is long and uphill and seemingly goes on forever... and it is a great golf hole.  With the green in view from the tee the Line of Instinct draws his eye to the right, over the sea of black sand and tall grass.  But, Mr Nicklaus at his best has the fairway actually move left and away from the green from the tee.  Though one knows that he should play his tee shot well to the left, his brain pushes his tee shot more right than is advisable.




The 3rd green is set into the base of the hill.




The 4th is something of a simple par-3, but with a long view to the mountains behind it is pretty and not offensive




The 5th plays back down from the mountain and to a fairway that tilts both downhill and to the left.  Though it is 300 yards in the yardage guide to reach the water, it plays much shorter, and combined with the cleverly placed bunker on the right a real decision must be made.  Approaching from the right is preferred, though a lay-up short of the water is probably the play.




The 6th begins the ascent up the hill from whence the golfer came.  The strategy is simple and solid and the green site is nothing less than one-of-a-kind.






Those that don't like island greens look away now. The 7th is a mid-length and downhill par-3 played to a massive green surrounded by sand.




Something of a bottle hole at the short-ish par-4 8th.  Oddly, though, the bold line between the bunkers leaves the more difficult approach.  Who said Nicklaus doesn't favor the bomber?




The 9th is a strong finish to a very good front nine.  The bold line requires a carry over the sand on the right, while the shorter/more conservative golfer can play to the right.




Though the more right the tee shot, the simpler the angle of approach.




The back nine starts with an odd hole.  A stream (same one as on the first) must be crossed twice, but oddly a bold line over the creek leaves a completely blocked-out approach. 






The 11th is another big par-5 and it features the dullest tee shot on the course and perhaps the least interesting second shot as well.  Once again the approach is played over a creek and I can't help but wonder if the green could have been set elsewhere to use the creek to create strategic interest.  Oh well, the green itself is long and narrow and very contoured -- probably the best on the course.






The stretch of holes from 12 through 15 will be forgotten by many.  The 12th plays along side the mountain and I can't help but think the opportunity for a dramatic golf hole was missed.  I will note that this is a bunkerless hole, but that's not getting it any bonus points from me.




The 13th is an all-or-nothing par-3 over water that has been seen many times before.  Surprise, surprise, it calls for a high fade!




the 14th runs back along side the 12th over very dull terrain.




The 15th is a seriously long par-5 at 571 yards from the tips.  I remember little of it.






The 16th runs along a pond as it the first side of a cleverly routed triangle finish.




The 17th is a fun mid-length par-3 with an interestingly tiered green and a steep dropoff/bunker to the left.  With a green that tilts leftward, missing right is no bargain either.




Anti-strategic bunkering at the 18th is out-of-character with the rest of the course but does help ensure that the finisher will never be called a push-over, despite its modest length.


Bill Seitz

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2012, 12:06:49 AM »
I haven't played it in more than 10 years, but I remember it being one of the best conditioned courses I'd ever played. How did you find the conditions, Mark?

I'd like to get back there at some point. I have family ( and my dad was born and raised) in Eastern Montana, and my grandmother and aunt are from Butte originally.  My great grandfather died in a copper mine fire in Butte over 100 years ago, so I have somewhat of a family history with the area.  We went from there to Eagle Bend, which has dropped over the years, but was still a course I enjoyed.

David Schofield

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2012, 08:43:55 AM »
How many courses use slag for their bunkers?  The only other one that I've seen is Hawktree (Bismarck, ND).  I noticed at Hawktree that the grass downrange of the bunkers was in rough shape.  It was most noticeable on greens, of course.  I surmised that the layer of "splashed" slag heats up more than would "splashed" sand (and certainly turf areas away from the bunkers) and burned the grass.  I suppose that the slag could have also thrown off the pH.

I understand that they've got a lot of the material and it seems like a "sustainable" design choice, but why put something in the bunkers which will eventually be "splashed" onto the grass when you'd give no consideration to using that material as a topdressing?   

Bill Seitz

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2012, 10:21:42 AM »
David, I think Hawktree uses fly ash, which is a coal by-product.  It's a little different than the copper slag used at Old Works.  I'm like you in that these are the only two places I've seen with black sand bunkers created from industrial by-products. 

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 08:18:49 PM »
Does the land show any signs of being flattened? In this week of Kiawah's PGA, when we think of the land forms for which Pete Dye is renowned, it seems that Nicklaus didn't go out of his way to add character in the way of rolling fairways and uneven lies to this course. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2012, 09:19:26 AM »
Nicklaus didn't go out of his way to add character in the way of rolling fairways and uneven lies to this course. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The way to add rolling fairways is with the routing.
This course looks like it was designed in an office on a flat piece of paper.
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2012, 12:51:07 PM »
I would second any suggestion that the routing is the major flaw at this course. After the initial crescendo of the opening sequence, there was nowhere to go but down.

Worth a play if you're within a few.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 01:22:35 PM »
I'm thinking of playing this on my next trip to Utah...

Where would you guys put it on the DS?  It looks interesting enough to spend half a day out there.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 03:24:12 PM »
Nicklaus didn't go out of his way to add character in the way of rolling fairways and uneven lies to this course. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The way to add rolling fairways is with the routing.
This course looks like it was designed in an office on a flat piece of paper.
Cheers

What this doesn't understand is that there is nothing of the original land to route on. The whole site had to be capped with a couple of feet of heavy clay. Apparently that was smoothed out and left nearly as flat as a "flat piece of paper". Nothing of the sort that C&C did with the flat part of Friar's Head was done to turn it into interesting golf.

Those that comment on it having great conditioning are either giving credit to a genius of a super, or just happened on it at a good time. When they water the course, the clay makes the water stand around for quite a while. Hard to have perfect conditions with this land.
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Craig Sweet

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 09:47:30 PM »
It's about 90 miles from my house...so I could play it several times a summer...if I wanted to. But it's ugly, boring, and highly over rated...in my opinion. I would much rather play Canyon River...The Ranch Club....and, of course, RCCC.
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Mark Saltzman

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 11:14:04 PM »
I'm thinking of playing this on my next trip to Utah...

Where would you guys put it on the DS?  It looks interesting enough to spend half a day out there.

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Kalen Braley

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Re: Old Works (Nicklaus) - A Photo Tour - All 18 Up!
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2012, 01:01:24 PM »
Craig and Mark,

Thanks for the info.  Being in Spokane, I've been wanting to get down there for a weekend to play Old Works and whatever else.  Looks like I could do that and mix in the ones Craig mentioned.

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