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Stephen Davis

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2012, 01:05:12 PM »
Because of its east coast location I think it may become just as popular if not more so than Bandon. 

The problem is Josh its missing a giant body of water called an ocean, that is one of the main appeal of Bandon, views! 

I have heard that the view from #1 on the Blue is supposed to be pretty phenomenal!

Josh Tarble

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #76 on: September 12, 2012, 01:31:11 PM »
Because of its east coast location I think it may become just as popular if not more so than Bandon. 

The problem is Josh its missing a giant body of water called an ocean, that is one of the main appeal of Bandon, views! 

Haha!  That is one thing that will never compare to Bandon...central Florida is not exactly the most beautiful place in the world. 

Still though, I'm very excited for this place to open...already put in my request for tee times on their website.

Carl Nichols

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2012, 01:37:45 PM »
Because of its east coast location I think it may become just as popular if not more so than Bandon. 

The problem is Josh its missing a giant body of water called an ocean, that is one of the main appeal of Bandon, views! 

But it's got heat, humidity, and insects!

Garland Bayley

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #78 on: September 12, 2012, 01:40:55 PM »
Because of its east coast location I think it may become just as popular if not more so than Bandon. 

The problem is Josh its missing a giant body of water called an ocean, that is one of the main appeal of Bandon, views! 

Last guy I talked to said his favorites were Bandon Dunes and Pacific Dunes, because of the ocean.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jud_T

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #79 on: September 12, 2012, 04:08:50 PM »
People go to Pebble for the view.  Golfers go to Bandon; if the tee sheet is open on Trails cause the lemmings are lining up at BD then I can get around on the superior track quicker.  Seriously given how much crap everyone gives Florida golf Streamsong is a very exciting development, particularly for winter golf for east coasters north of DC.
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

J_ Crisham

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2012, 01:59:08 PM »
People go to Pebble for the view.  Golfers go to Bandon;
Jud,  Why no love for the Pebble area? The area has arguably better golf than Bandon- think Pebble, Cypress Point, MPCC Dunes and Shore, Spyglass. I assume you have played each of these multiple times? I have and and my impression is that very serious golfers go to Pebble- its the people who can't access the privates in the Pebble area who fail to see the highest level of year round golf in the USA. As an aside I am looking forward to playing Streamsong this January.

Jud_T

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #81 on: September 13, 2012, 02:25:17 PM »
Jack,

1.  You see a lot more wealthy tourists at Pebble who aren't hard core golfers than at Bandon.  The high cost,  the luxury amenities and the views insure it.

2.  VERY few can access Cypress, myself included, and I'm more connected than most.

3.  I don't dislike Pebble,  I just prefer Bandon.  Bandon is links golf, They have 3+ world class courses and it's half as expensive.

4.  If I go to Pebble again it will be once to take my son.  I'll go back to Bandon as often as possible.

5.  The discussion is about Streamsong, an exciting new PUBLIC destination.  If we're talking privates I'll take Long Island all day long over the Monterey peninsula.  The public options in toto at Pebble are inferior to Bandon IMO and dramatically more expensive.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2012, 02:38:57 PM by Jud Tigerman »
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

William_G

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2012, 02:36:11 PM »
People go to Pebble for the view.  Golfers go to Bandon;
Jud,  Why no love for the Pebble area? The area has arguably better golf than Bandon- think Pebble, Cypress Point, MPCC Dunes and Shore, Spyglass. I assume you have played each of these multiple times? I have and and my impression is that very serious golfers go to Pebble- its the people who can't access the privates in the Pebble area who fail to see the highest level of year round golf in the USA. As an aside I am looking forward to playing Streamsong this January.

Hi Jack,

Year round golf per se is not necessarily the greartest in the Carmel/Monterey area, as the mud balls occur everywhere except MPCC Shore.

That being said, the golf in and around the area is unprecedented from SF to Carmel.

If you didn't work you could easily play a different great course each day for 2-3 weeks.

The Carmel area offers world class apres golf and Bandon doesn't.

Bandon offers the best golf resort in the world and Carmel/Monterey doesn't.

The golf this time of year is great up and down the coast from Carmel to Victoria.

Hope to see you again sometime.

Oh yeah, no carts at Bandon, LOL
It's all about the golf!

Chris_Hufnagel

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2012, 02:59:59 PM »
4.  If I go to Pebble again it will be once to take my son.  I'll go back to Bandon as often as possible.

Absolutely...I had the good fortune of living in San Francisco for four years and played Pebble Beach four times in those four years.  I am glad I did and have no regrets, but I am not rushing back there and really have no desire to play it again until my son is old enough to make the trip and enjoy the experience...

I will however go back to Bandon as often as possible...

J_ Crisham

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #84 on: September 13, 2012, 03:59:10 PM »
People go to Pebble for the view.  Golfers go to Bandon;
Jud,  Why no love for the Pebble area? The area has arguably better golf than Bandon- think Pebble, Cypress Point, MPCC Dunes and Shore, Spyglass. I assume you have played each of these multiple times? I have and and my impression is that very serious golfers go to Pebble- its the people who can't access the privates in the Pebble area who fail to see the highest level of year round golf in the USA. As an aside I am looking forward to playing Streamsong this January.

Hi Jack,

Year round golf per se is not necessarily the greartest in the Carmel/Monterey area, as the mud balls occur everywhere except MPCC Shore.

That being said, the golf in and around the area is unprecedented from SF to Carmel.

If you didn't work you could easily play a different great course each day for 2-3 weeks.

The Carmel area offers world class apres golf and Bandon doesn't.

Bandon offers the best golf resort in the world and Carmel/Monterey doesn't.

The golf this time of year is great up and down the coast from Carmel to Victoria.

Hope to see you again sometime.

Oh yeah, no carts at Bandon, LOL
Gray,   I agree that Bandon is a super place to play- hard sell for me with my wife who is a nongolfer. Carmel on the other hand is very easy, between the shopping and spa its a no brainer. Can't say that I've ever had really bad weather there and we've gone in every month except January and August . My guess is Ive visited Pebble 12 times over the years and had the good fortune to play everything both public and private. For year round top shelf golf it is unsurpassed in the USA. LA has great weather yearround but only 3 or 4  really good courses. The trip is also a lot easier from San Jose than the drive from Portland to Bandon. Hope to see you in Chicago one of these Summers- we have some interesting architecture- its not Long Island but still solid.
                                                                                      Jack

Terry Lavin

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #85 on: September 13, 2012, 04:27:53 PM »
Resort wise, my top four, in order, are Bandon Dunes, Pinehurst, Pebble Beach and Hilton Head.  They are all great.  I have hope that Streamsong could quickly slide into the fifth position, given the anticipated quality of the architecture, the Florida weather, the ease of travel and the anticipated amenities of the resort.  That's pretty amazing when you think about it, because there are a lot of other resorts in America that I've frequented that I really enjoy, like Innisbrook, Sawgrass, LaCosta, Boca Raton.

To me, there are pluses and minuses at every resort.  The golf, in my opinion, is simply unparalleled at Bandon Dunes.  But, there's precious little else to do on property and the lure of the town is not that great.  The food is good, but not great.  And, not for nothing, it is somewhat arduous to get to Bandon for most people, amounting to a day travel each way without golf arriving or departing.  Pebble Beach and Spyglass Hill are awesome golf courses, but Spanish Bay is several notches below, at best.  The Lodge is just great, but there's an attitude of superiority at Pebble that gets a little tiresome as a guest, as does the ridiculous pricing structure.  But it's Pebble Fricking Beach, with its majestic views and terrific institutional history and Carmel is about as good as it gets, with Big Sur not that far away.  Pinehurst, to me, is really special.  The town is great, the variety and quality of golf on the resort is waaaaay above average and #2 is a national treasure.  Hilton Head has a bunch of great golf (public and private), terrific restaurants and isn't that hard to get to.

Streamsong has a lot of potential.  It's a little remote, but not that bad.  The quality of the architecture is going to be top drawer.  To think that it could vault into the top five resorts in America is bold, but not out of the question.  And that's a pretty cool thing.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

William_G

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #86 on: September 13, 2012, 04:54:02 PM »
People go to Pebble for the view.  Golfers go to Bandon;
Jud,  Why no love for the Pebble area? The area has arguably better golf than Bandon- think Pebble, Cypress Point, MPCC Dunes and Shore, Spyglass. I assume you have played each of these multiple times? I have and and my impression is that very serious golfers go to Pebble- its the people who can't access the privates in the Pebble area who fail to see the highest level of year round golf in the USA. As an aside I am looking forward to playing Streamsong this January.

Hi Jack,

Year round golf per se is not necessarily the greartest in the Carmel/Monterey area, as the mud balls occur everywhere except MPCC Shore.

That being said, the golf in and around the area is unprecedented from SF to Carmel.

If you didn't work you could easily play a different great course each day for 2-3 weeks.

The Carmel area offers world class apres golf and Bandon doesn't.

Bandon offers the best golf resort in the world and Carmel/Monterey doesn't.

The golf this time of year is great up and down the coast from Carmel to Victoria.

Hope to see you again sometime.

Oh yeah, no carts at Bandon, LOL
Gray,   I agree that Bandon is a super place to play- hard sell for me with my wife who is a nongolfer. Carmel on the other hand is very easy, between the shopping and spa its a no brainer. Can't say that I've ever had really bad weather there and we've gone in every month except January and August . My guess is Ive visited Pebble 12 times over the years and had the good fortune to play everything both public and private. For year round top shelf golf it is unsurpassed in the USA. LA has great weather yearround but only 3 or 4  really good courses. The trip is also a lot easier from San Jose than the drive from Portland to Bandon. Hope to see you in Chicago one of these Summers- we have some interesting architecture- its not Long Island but still solid.
                                                                                      Jack

Jack

Looking forward to SS when I go with the fam to WDW next year.

FWIW, I grew up going to Carmel all the time, and we still go for holidays.

Clearly you can go to Monterey/Carmel and have a great time w/o golf at all, same with SF or LA, so when you play the non-golfing wife card, Bandon becomes challlenging in a comparison study.

For a golf resort, Bandon is the best in the world, but we've gone to the town of Bandon as a family for vacation and not played golf  :o, it's a nice getaway as their is no population there.

Look forward to a return to the Chicago area hopefully next year.

Thanks
It's all about the golf!

Tom_Doak

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #87 on: September 13, 2012, 05:04:23 PM »
Resort wise, my top four, in order, are Bandon Dunes, Pinehurst, Pebble Beach and Hilton Head.  They are all great.  I have hope that Streamsong could quickly slide into the fifth position, given the anticipated quality of the architecture, the Florida weather, the ease of travel and the anticipated amenities of the resort.  That's pretty amazing when you think about it, because there are a lot of other resorts in America that I've frequented that I really enjoy, like Innisbrook, Sawgrass, LaCosta, Boca Raton.

To me, there are pluses and minuses at every resort.  The golf, in my opinion, is simply unparalleled at Bandon Dunes.  But, there's precious little else to do on property and the lure of the town is not that great.  The food is good, but not great.  And, not for nothing, it is somewhat arduous to get to Bandon for most people, amounting to a day travel each way without golf arriving or departing.  Pebble Beach and Spyglass Hill are awesome golf courses, but Spanish Bay is several notches below, at best.  The Lodge is just great, but there's an attitude of superiority at Pebble that gets a little tiresome as a guest, as does the ridiculous pricing structure.  But it's Pebble Fricking Beach, with its majestic views and terrific institutional history and Carmel is about as good as it gets, with Big Sur not that far away.  Pinehurst, to me, is really special.  The town is great, the variety and quality of golf on the resort is waaaaay above average and #2 is a national treasure.  Hilton Head has a bunch of great golf (public and private), terrific restaurants and isn't that hard to get to.

Streamsong has a lot of potential.  It's a little remote, but not that bad.  The quality of the architecture is going to be top drawer.  To think that it could vault into the top five resorts in America is bold, but not out of the question.  And that's a pretty cool thing.

Terry:

Mike Keiser's take when he visited this spring was that there isn't a golf resort on the east coast that has two courses as good as Streamsong.  I don't know if he was just comparing the second-best courses or the sum of the top two, but I'd wager it will be hard enough to pick the second best course at Streamsong that it probably wins on both counts.  Wish it was open already, it's been a long wait!

Terry Lavin

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #88 on: September 13, 2012, 05:16:55 PM »
Tom,

Mike said the same thing to me a month or so ago and also indicated that the Evans Scholars Foundation has picked Streamsong for our next big road trip fundraiser.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Kalen Braley

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #89 on: September 13, 2012, 07:26:01 PM »
It seems like Streamsong will also be a little out of the way, even if not nearly as much as Bandon.

What if any non-golf activities will be available? And how convient/close to the resort?

scott_wood

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #90 on: September 13, 2012, 07:58:09 PM »
Guys! Streamsong is NOT remote in the least!

Bandon is remote, SH iand Ballyneal are remote. Cabot, Kingsley are remote. Shucks even Hilton Head isn't easy/cheap to get to .....

BUT,
steramsong is an hour 20 from ORLANDO, which connects directly with tons of places , and an hour+ from Tampa, no " minor league" airport in itself......

Immediately adjacent to a major airport, NO, BUT " remote",no way.......

Austin Wade

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #91 on: September 14, 2012, 02:41:20 AM »
Guys! Streamsong is NOT remote in the least!

Bandon is remote, SH iand Ballyneal are remote. Cabot, Kingsley are remote. Shucks even Hilton Head isn't easy/cheap to get to .....

BUT,
steramsong is an hour 20 from ORLANDO, which connects directly with tons of places , and an hour+ from Tampa, no " minor league" airport in itself......

Immediately adjacent to a major airport, NO, BUT " remote",no way.......

While not remote in the sense of Bandon, Streamsong is a bit isolated.  There is no other lodging for 20-30 minutes.  There is small amount of dining in Ft Meade (may I recommend John's?), but for real choices to eat you have to make the half hour drive to Lakeland.   

It's not a hard place to get to if you are going there for a weekend.  But it is still a bit remote. 

John_Cullum

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #92 on: September 14, 2012, 09:43:59 AM »

While not remote in the sense of Bandon, Streamsong is a bit isolated.  There is no other lodging for 20-30 minutes.  There is small amount of dining in Ft Meade (may I recommend John's?), but for real choices to eat you have to make the half hour drive to Lakeland.   

Do not underestimate the fine food and beverage at 7 Star in Bradley Junction
"We finally beat Medicare. "

Kalen Braley

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #93 on: September 14, 2012, 01:01:33 PM »
Thanks Austin, this was my point...

It doesn't matter what the actual distance is for remoteness.  The question is, will the golfer make the effort in the evening post round(s)?

And my guess is, most who play at Streamsong won't be interested in traveling much more than 15 minutes off site to get a meal or hit a bar...I know I sure as hell wouldn't.

So whether the action is 30 minutes away or 3 hours away...for all intentional purposes its the same thing from the viewpoint of a golfer at the resort.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #94 on: September 14, 2012, 01:58:34 PM »
People go to Pebble for the view.  Golfers go to Bandon;
Jud,  Why no love for the Pebble area? The area has arguably better golf than Bandon- think Pebble, Cypress Point, MPCC Dunes and Shore, Spyglass. I assume you have played each of these multiple times? I have and and my impression is that very serious golfers go to Pebble- its the people who can't access the privates in the Pebble area who fail to see the highest level of year round golf in the USA. As an aside I am looking forward to playing Streamsong this January.

Golfweek Modern
2. Pacific Dunes 9.10

(2, r) Bandon, Ore.

2001, Tom Doak


3. Old Macdonald 8.66

(3, r) Bandon, Ore.

2010, Tom Doak, Jim Urbina


7. Bandon Dunes 8.31

(7, r) Bandon, Ore.

1999, David McLay Kidd


17. Spyglass Hill Golf Club 7.86

(16, r) Pebble Beach, Calif.

1966, Robert Trent Jones Sr.


26. Bandon Trails 7.61

(29, r) Bandon, Ore.

2005, Bill Coore, Ben Crenshaw


38. Monterey Peninsula CC (Shore) 7.45

(41, p) Pebble Beach, Calif.

2005, Michael Strantz; Robert Baldock,

Jack Neville (1961)



Golfweek Classic

2. Cypress Point Club 9.48

(2, p) Pebble Beach, Calif.

1928, Alister MacKenzie


9. Pebble Beach Golf Links 8.88

(9, p) Pebble Beach, Calif.

1919, Douglas Grant, Jack Neville


Bandon: Sum of Rank 38
Pebble: Sum of Rank 66

Bandon: Sum of Rating 33.68
Pebble: Sum of Rating 33.67

I guess you could argue for .01 better.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Josh Tarble

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #95 on: September 14, 2012, 02:00:56 PM »
I hope that Streamsong has a bit of secluded feel to it, but being within an hours drive of Tampa or Orlando airports, it will most definitely be easier for the Eastern US to get to than Bandon.

I am also envisioning many fatherless families at Disney World once Streamsong opens.

John_Cullum

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #96 on: September 14, 2012, 02:31:01 PM »
Josh

It definitely has a secluded feel.

Kalen is basically correct, I expect the Streamsong golfer will be taking all food and bev on site
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William_G

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #97 on: September 14, 2012, 02:58:27 PM »
Because of its east coast location I think it may become just as popular if not more so than Bandon. 

The problem is Josh its missing a giant body of water called an ocean, that is one of the main appeal of Bandon, views! 

I have heard that the view from #1 on the Blue is supposed to be pretty phenomenal!

Can you see the ocean from there?
It's all about the golf!

Greg Tallman

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #98 on: September 14, 2012, 04:34:43 PM »
Resort wise, my top four, in order, are Bandon Dunes, Pinehurst, Pebble Beach and Hilton Head.  They are all great.  I have hope that Streamsong could quickly slide into the fifth position, given the anticipated quality of the architecture, the Florida weather, the ease of travel and the anticipated amenities of the resort.  That's pretty amazing when you think about it, because there are a lot of other resorts in America that I've frequented that I really enjoy, like Innisbrook, Sawgrass, LaCosta, Boca Raton.

To me, there are pluses and minuses at every resort.  The golf, in my opinion, is simply unparalleled at Bandon Dunes.  But, there's precious little else to do on property and the lure of the town is not that great.  The food is good, but not great.  And, not for nothing, it is somewhat arduous to get to Bandon for most people, amounting to a day travel each way without golf arriving or departing.  Pebble Beach and Spyglass Hill are awesome golf courses, but Spanish Bay is several notches below, at best.  The Lodge is just great, but there's an attitude of superiority at Pebble that gets a little tiresome as a guest, as does the ridiculous pricing structure.  But it's Pebble Fricking Beach, with its majestic views and terrific institutional history and Carmel is about as good as it gets, with Big Sur not that far away.  Pinehurst, to me, is really special.  The town is great, the variety and quality of golf on the resort is waaaaay above average and #2 is a national treasure.  Hilton Head has a bunch of great golf (public and private), terrific restaurants and isn't that hard to

Streamsong has a lot of potential.  It's a little remote, but not that bad.  The quality of the architecture is going to be top drawer.  To think that it could vault into the top five resorts in America is bold, but not out of the question.  And that's a pretty cool thing.

Terry:

Mike Keiser's take when he visited this spring was that there isn't a golf resort on the east coast that has two courses as good as Streamsong.  I don't know if he was just comparing the second-best courses or the sum of the top two, but I'd wager it will be hard enough to pick the second best course at Streamsong that it probably wins on both counts.  Wish it was open already, it's been a long wait!

MK had very strong praise for SS when he visited here last winter. Chatted about his flrtation with World Woods and the sense I got was that he was relieved that did not happen as it was obvious that the desparity in quality between WW and SS was rather significant in his mind. Of course he might well be the president of the TD/CC fan club so...   ;)


Howard Riefs

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #99 on: October 19, 2012, 02:39:46 PM »
Likely one of the first extended reviews of Streamsong is via the NY Met's Greg Midland:

http://www.mgagolf.org/news/2012/october/streamsong

...Two 18-hole courses are unlike anything else in Florida.
... Ranks among the most dramatic and visually stimulating anywhere.
...These courses fully embrace the land and embody the game's newest and most admirable trends: firm, fast and fun.


And, how great does this place look...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/metgolf/sets/72157631567200387/show/


"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke