Streamsong

[Josh Tarble]

I'm really looking forward to Streamsong opening. Because of its east coast location I think it may become just as popular if not more so than Bandon.  I know I will probably be visiting SS before Bandon.

Of course it's dependent upon the quality of both courses, which from pictures and comments on here seems there will be no lack in that department.

[Kyle Harris]

Was there ever a caddie program at World Woods?

Definitely no.  I started playing World Woods right when it opened and there were never caddies.  They also highly discouraged walking and maybe didn't allow it.  I walked both courses the first time I was there but my playing partner drove a cart with my bag on it. 

One of many things where WW missed a window of opportunity back in the day. The place has not changed in 16 years. Played there in December, walked into the same clubhouse with seemingly the same carpet, tables, chairs and crotchety locals as 16 years ago. I commented to my buddy... "Wow, not a thing has changed here" to which one of the crotchety locals shoots back "Nope and why the hell should it?".. I then tried to order a Diet Coke... but no luck... "Haven't went to the store yet this morning." so I wink at the local and smile... "There ya go."

So much potential there. Very similar to Streamsong in terms of proximity to population centers. looks like Streamsong has the right plan... may revisit looking into WW in a couple of years.

As a somewhat local golfer I can walk up to WW at 3PM, play the short course and one of the big ones for under $60 with plenty of daylight to spare.

Don't. Change. A. Thing.

[Greg Tallman]

But you can play WW for $100 or so.  Personally, I'll forgo the caddie, the nice clubhouse and even the diet Coke for tremendous golf at a more than reasonable price. 

Cliff, Sorry but I must have a Diet Coke before playing! What the "it is wonderful as is" crowd fails to realize is that it won't be around forever as is. I would be shocked if it breaks even today.There would be nothing negative about putting some nice lodging options on property and creating a great destination golf property versus what amounts to a terribly remote public golf course.

The wealthy old man does not have too many years left and when the kids take over we shall see. 

[jeffwarne]

I don't know what the green fees will be on opening day; odd that it doesn't show up on the tee time request page.  However, I was told last week that the official Opening Day for the public is scheduled for Friday, December 14, 2012.

Anyone know when the accomodations will be opening?
looks like some intriguing architecture.

[Howard Riefs]

Anyone know when the accomodations will be opening?
looks like some intriguing architecture.

The clubhouse with 16 guest rooms opens with the courses on December 14.  The resort is scheduled to open Q4 2013. See pg. 9 (though not numbered) of this document for a timeline:

http://www.streamsongresort.com/pdf/Streamsong-Facts-Kit-03-2012-2.pdf

[David Kelly]

I'm really looking forward to Streamsong opening. Because of its east coast location I think it may become just as popular if not more so than Bandon.  I know I will probably be visiting SS before Bandon.

If Streamsong becomes more popular than Bandon I'll buy you a new hat. 

[John Kavanaugh]

Popular is not a fair measure given you can only do so much with Florida.  That doesn't mean that the courses will not generate the most revenue for their owners.

[Mike Hendren]

Thanks to Southwest I can leave Nashville in the morning, get in 54 holes at Streamsong and sleep in my bed the next evening.   I'll return to Bandon if I miss the sleet.

Bogey

[Bill_McBride]

Thanks to Southwest I can leave Nashville in the morning, get in 54 holes at Streamsong and sleep in my bed the next evening.   I'll return to Bandon if I miss the sleet.

Bogey

That was really some ghastly weather a year ago March!

Those who already live in the South will be okay at Streamsong in the summer.

Those who live in the North and South will appreciate the mild winter weather.   With the Doak and C&C courses, this looks like genius!

[David Kelly]

Thanks to Southwest I can leave Nashville in the morning, get in 54 holes at Streamsong and sleep in my bed the next evening.   I'll return to Bandon if I miss the sleet.

Come on, the sleet was invigorating.  I could have done without the hail, however.  In any event since then I have limited myself to Bandon in the summer months.

[William_G]

The problem with caddies at Streamsong will be the location. It's a pretty long way from any meaningful population of people to fill the corps

??   It is about a half hour's drive from Lakeland, which has a population of 94,000.  That's not an easy drive, but not out of the question for a good job.  Not like in Scotland, but not much different than Bandon [a bit further drive than from Coos Bay, for a lot more people].

FYI, many of the caddies at Bandon winter in Arizona and Palm Springs, then return for high season @ Bandon...thus the caddie quality is high with lots of double bagging for 36.
 
Most of these caddies live in Bandon on a rental basis, thanks

I do agree the cart thing in Florida is a bad thing for SS red or blue, we will see.

At least at Whistling Straits it is walking only, smart move by Kohler.

[Howard Riefs]

At least at Whistling Straits it is walking only, smart move by Kohler.

The Straits course is walking only. Carts are permitted on the Irish course.

[Dieter Jones]

I found it very easy to identify who the designer was on most of those images just from the look and comparing it to their other work. I find this intereting given that the designers "swapped" some holes to make the final 36 work as 2 x 18.

13 Blue appealed to me. How long is that hole, I assume it is drivable in some conditions.

[William_G]

At least at Whistling Straits it is walking only, smart move by Kohler.

The Straits course is walking only. Carts are permitted on the Irish course.

yes it is confusing for many that there are 2 courses at Whistling Straits, because few talk about the Irish.

likewise, Blackwolf Run has 2 courses, Valley and Meadow, but you always hear about Blackwolf Run...confusing, especially as they will be using a combination of holes for the US Women's Open which amount to the first 18 holes built by Dey there.

Looking forward to playing SS both Red and Blue

thanks

[Kris Shreiner]

William,

The oppressive heat, during a significant part of the Florida year down there, will be the main reason carts will figure prominantly at Streamsong. The walks, while not easy, aren't really difficult. The temps, particularly during the middle portion of the day during the summer months, will be a challenge for players.

Seasonal rentals in the Streamsong area are scarce to say the least.

Cheers,
Kris

[Jim_Kennedy]

I haven't played it in over a decade, but there is a course in Ft. Pierce called St. James Bay that used to get a bad rap from the locals because there weren't any trees near the tees, or even to the sides of the fairways, to duck under on a hot day. I liked it because it was open, decent, but no shade made it relatively empty for a course in that particular area. The sun wasn't too punishing in January, but by mid to late march a well placed tree or two would have been a welcome addition.

A few smartly placed oases could have helped STB increase its traffic, especially the hoofer variety. I don't know if it's something the folks at SS considered, but it could add to the walking traffic if they did. 

 

[Garland Bayley]

Jim,

A better idea. The club should rent push carts with mounted sunshades (umbrellas). That way the shade is everywhere on the course.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

Should we not wait till course is open to play before coming to conclsions

[Michael Dugger]

I found it very easy to identify who the designer was on most of those images just from the look and comparing it to their other work. I find this intereting given that the designers "swapped" some holes to make the final 36 work as 2 x 18.

13 Blue appealed to me. How long is that hole, I assume it is drivable in some conditions.

Just nitpicking here, but I do not believe Mr. Doak said they swapped holes, per se.

I think each firm designed and built their own 18

What Tom did say is through the design and routing process, some of the "holes" Mr. Coore discovered and proposed utilizing to build his course, ended up being used on the Doak course.  I can well imagine some of the basics of those holes---such as whether it is/was a par 3, 4 or 5, and maybe even which way it doglegs, where a nice big sand blow out would/could be utilized as a bunker, etc. is featured and WOULD HAVE been featured on a hole designed and built by either group.

But I am pretty sure each group built their own course. 

Tom said the original plan was 18 holes, but they found enough good land for 36.

36 holes in the sandy blowout dunesy land was only going to work, routing wise, however, if they sequenced the holes in some semblance of a fashion where green to tee traffic made sense.

I'm also sure nobody wanted a course with a bunch of par 5s and par 3s in a row or an "unbalanced" course.

So, long story short, it was through the process of making 36 work on the site, that some original parcels of land Mr. Coore thought would be well-suited to his golf course, ended up being utilized, designed upon and constructed, by Mr. Doak.

[Jim_Kennedy]

TB,
I'm not trying to draw any conclusions, only making an observation about the problem's that faced one shadeless FL golf course, especially as it related to walkers.

[Kris Shreiner]

Curious what others think of the clubhouse renderings inserted in the fine photo gallery showing holes of both courses. Those that know me can guess my take. Thoughts?

[Jud_T]

Looks like the marketing machine has shifted into second gear:  Good article in this month's Golf Digest under "Two Courses/Two Perspectives".  Both Ron Whitten and Matt Ginella are smitten.  "Annie, get your clubs"....

[Chris Clouser]

Is it true the opening date is December 14?  If so I couldn't think of a better birthday present than a free round at each... 

[Mike Hendren]

Is it true the opening date is December 14?  If so I couldn't think of a better birthday present than a free round at each... 

Thanks Chris. Now I know what to ask for for Christmas!

Bogey

[Emile Bonfiglio]

Because of its east coast location I think it may become just as popular if not more so than Bandon. 

The problem is Josh its missing a giant body of water called an ocean, that is one of the main appeal of Bandon, views!