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Joe Leenheer

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Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« on: May 11, 2012, 10:36:05 PM »
When I use my laser for a yardage you feel the need to guess it for me anyways (I have been guilty of this on occasion)

Never let the quality of your game determine the quality of your time spent playing it.

Tim Bert

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2012, 10:40:50 PM »
You had me at "when I use my laser"

Andy Troeger

Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2012, 10:47:13 PM »
I prefer to guess it while the guy with the laser is fumbling around to get the number. Then to watch their annoyed expression when I'm usually within a few yards anyway.

Joe Leenheer

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2012, 10:51:55 PM »
Note that I never tell said person that they are correct even if they are ;-)

That guy, "158."  Me, "nope...152".
Never let the quality of your game determine the quality of your time spent playing it.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2012, 11:03:05 PM »
I love to guess yardages and find out if I'm right, because it helps to be good at it in my day job.

But, I hate that you use a laser to play.

Andy Troeger

Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2012, 11:06:44 PM »
Note that I never tell said person that they are correct even if they are ;-)

That guy, "158."  Me, "nope...152".

I'd take my chances with my eyes and the markers on the course over your laser anyway! I'm not that precise anyway.

John_Cullum

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2012, 11:16:53 PM »

I'd take my chances with my eyes and the markers on the course over your laser anyway! I'm not that precise anyway.

That certainly makes sense
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Sam Morrow

Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2012, 11:19:03 PM »
Joe you sir are my new hero for bringing back a classic. ;D

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2012, 01:35:43 AM »
When i was younger and had good eyes I lived to guess and/or walk off yardages. Now when on a strange course I find a range finder speeds up play. But like walking while playing, walking off the distance is just a better golf experience. There is nothing like spotting the 200 bush or 150 marker and stepping of your distance and thinking about your shot you will hit in a minute. It makes me mad, like many things about aging do, to not be able to guess a distance within a few yards after a lifetime of nailing it.

Scott Warren

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2012, 02:27:46 AM »
Just bought a Bushnell V2 range-finder. Love it, it's incredible.

I'll go ahead and assume all critics of them don't look at sprinkler head distances (measured with laser), use yardage books (measured with laser) and also avert their eyes from the distance information on each tee box.

Anders Rytter

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2012, 02:51:44 AM »
I use a Laser aswell. Some people seem to need the distances to every single tree or bunker, if you just need one or two shots then i think it speeds up play a lot. Would be fun (but very time consuming) to not have any distance guidance what so ever, but i think i'm alot faster with the laser and i can get to more or less the same result by using alot of time looking at other yardage "toole" (most of the time).

In regards to the main topic, I dont mind people trying to guess the distances, usually they are way of every second time if they try to guess to fast.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2012, 04:58:00 AM by Anders Rytter »

Sean_A

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2012, 03:48:53 AM »
It will forever perplex me why architecture junkies would use a yardage contraption.  However, I must admit that there is at least one brand which attaches to the bag and looks like a fairly old mobile phone that in the right hands takes all of about 5 seconds to use.  The info is displayed just about as fast as a guy can put a bag down.  I don't have a clue if it is the most accurate contraption on the market, but surely it must be good enough for the likes of just about everybody on the planet.

Tiger

Thank you for articulating the joy of walking off of yardage from a marker.  I never really thought about it before, but you are right.  While I never did this unless it was a dead easy walk to my ball in the fairway, it was still the start of "final" preparations to hit the shot which obviously began after placing the club in the bag after the last shot.  My eyes are not what they once were so I may begin to pay more attention to markers. 

If I used a gun I think guys stating their guess would annoy me after a while, but I think that phase of novelty is now over in my circles.  Folks have seen the contraptions enough to not take much notice.   

Ciao
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Scott Warren

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2012, 04:22:35 AM »
No, mine doesn't have that Brian - because almost all of our golf in Australia is in competition, it's important to fit within the rules.

I have seen them though and the raw yardage reading is complemented by a +4m or -3 m or whatever to indicate the effect of the hill.

My instinctive allowance for slope tends not to be enough when bunkers front the green!

Anders Rytter

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2012, 05:05:54 AM »
It will forever perplex me why architecture junkies would use a yardage contraption.  However, I must admit that there is at least one brand which attaches to the bag and looks like a fairly old mobile phone that in the right hands takes all of about 5 seconds to use.  The info is displayed just about as fast as a guy can put a bag down.  I don't have a clue if it is the most accurate contraption on the market, but surely it must be good enough for the likes of just about everybody on the planet.

Tiger

Thank you for articulating the joy of walking off of yardage from a marker.  I never really thought about it before, but you are right.  While I never did this unless it was a dead easy walk to my ball in the fairway, it was still the start of "final" preparations to hit the shot which obviously began after placing the club in the bag after the last shot.  My eyes are not what they once were so I may begin to pay more attention to markers. 

If I used a gun I think guys stating their guess would annoy me after a while, but I think that phase of novelty is now over in my circles.  Folks have seen the contraptions enough to not take much notice.   

Ciao

Why do you think that mechanical devices are worse than numbers on sprinkler heads? i have my device in a little pocket just where i have my left hand when i carry the bag. that way i have it handy and get the yardage in 5-10sec when i get to my ball. I would be fine with no yardages what so ever (I just think that would take an ridicolous ammount of time for some) , but if they are on the sprinklers and in the yardage books i dont see why you shouldn't be able to shoot them yourselves?

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2012, 06:43:07 AM »

With due respect to those who use or feel the need to use distance aids, you have at a stroke taken
the heart and spirit out of playing golf. Worst still in my experience are the Pacers who without care
or consideration for fellow players or others on a course disrupt the pace and pleasure of the game
for others.  This I consider a heinous act against a fellow players and a clear breach of Course
Etiquette which IMHO should result in the immediate removal of the player from a course.  Now
before others jump to Tigers defence, I do not believe that Tiger said he paced the distance before
his shot but as a confirmation of his distance judged by his eyes after the shot was taken and while
on his way to the next shot.   

Distance aids are legal but forgetting the legality of the issue, what about the quality of the game
experienced by the player. This must surely suffer as clearly the plays confidence is questionable re
his/her own ability (whatever level). To play with the premise that one’s game is perhaps suspect in
the first place is to start with a massive mental handicap, sending ones state of calm confidence into
a cocked hat.

The game of golf should be a pleasure, the efforts should come naturally to the golfer allowing
him/her the ultimate joy of knowing they did it on your own, unaided and if their score improved a
deep warm feeling of inner contentment.  So I am totally baffled as to why any golfer feels the need
to seek outside help. For goodness sake all I know is that all this outside information corrupts the
mind making ones brain first absorb the information then delete it as the eyes and brain final takes
over and re calculates the who distance thing in a millisecond as the golfer finally address the ball at
the start of the swing.

It’s all legal, use your aids, but that very need to use these aids must cry out a desperation in the
minds of the players, who knows are they mentally really to play golf. Yet the worst crime in
my eyes is that their game if flawed before it starts, even if they do well they have had to resort to
outside help, defined legal by the governing Body but inwardly the player knows it’s morally
indefensible certainly if they do love the game of golf.

I beseech you all who use aids to leave them in the club house and face the challenge using mind
and body only. In the long run your game will benefit but you will immediately feel the satisfaction
of knowing that was all down to your own efforts.   

Scott Warren

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2012, 06:56:12 AM »
Stick to commenting about golf courses you've never seen, Melvyn.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2012, 07:49:08 AM »

Scott

Gut reactions are to show you hotel bills but quite frankly I see no point in justifying my action to you. Who are you anyway, what has it got to do with you. 

When you joined this site I put myself out and sent you a load of starter info on courses, history, maps of St Andrews and photo. A few months ago I sent you an e-mail stating I do not like posting too much info on myself but answered some question for you. Since then I have found out just how an unpleasant a guy you are, and how you reward open fellowship.

I have nothing to hide but neither will I be bullied into divulging information of little to no importance. I care little if you do or do not believe me, because I see how you have reacted to my initial offer of friendship and fellowship.

One or two have sent me an IM suggesting I ignore you. 

As I have said I am done with you, you are just not worth the bother and quite frankly I am actually sorry it’s come to this, but that's all of your making. I know the press try and force people into making comments, but this is a web site and its friendship that rules. Information offered has to be freely given and I feel  you have lost the right to ask.

Scott Warren

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2012, 08:20:15 AM »
Notwithstanding the many untruths and exaggerations in the above, Melvyn, it continues to baffle me why it is so outrageous to someone who doesn't even play golf that another who walks 80+ rounds a year carrying their own bag on classic courses should carry with them what is -- for all intents and purposes -- a battery-powered caddie.

The fact that you think actually visiting courses before commenting on them at length is "of little or no importance" on this site speaks volumes, as does your preoccupation with how those who actually play the game go about doing so.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2012, 08:28:43 AM by Scott Warren »

Phil McDade

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2012, 08:28:25 AM »
Just wondering, for those who use yardage finders:

What's your handicap?

I'm guessing the over/under on the handicap for those who use them (under) vs. those who don't (over) is around 10. (The National Golf Foundation estimates that the average score for a round of golf played in the U.S. is around 100, that only one in five golfers carries an active handicap, and that the average handicap for those that do is around 20.)


Scott Warren

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2012, 08:30:39 AM »
Phil,

My experience has been that laser range finders are more popular among lower handicaps -- 0-7, say -- and that GPS is far more popular among the higher handicap set.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2012, 08:37:38 AM »
Scott

You do not know what I have done, been too or walked where I can. You make statements that are pure guesswork and you expect me to correct your misguided views, why. Why should I, why have you not had a go at me re Cullen, Moray, Tain, Dornoch, Crieff, Newtonmore &TOC.

Actually you are judging me with no evidence that is what is wrong with  this whole issue and yes, your are sick. You just do not know but you accuse me anyway. I think that shows you for the guy you are. Jump to your own conclusions and when you discover the world is not flat you may then open your mind.

This is my last post with you, say what you want, I will no longer respond to you.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2012, 09:17:13 AM »
I love to guess yardages and find out if I'm right


Me too!  But the "find out if I'm right", occurs if the ball hits the green or not.  Kind of fun and full of suspense when the ball is in the air.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2012, 10:48:36 AM »
They don't call me Bogey because I routinely pull the wrong club.

MIke
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Craig Sweet

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2012, 10:51:50 AM »
For some reason I'm a little put off by the use of lasers. This is what I see at my club...guys that have been playing the course for years, guys that hit the ball pretty much the same distance day in and day out, guys that know every roll and dip in every fairway, guys that know exactly what a 'red pin" means from where they stand in the fairway.....STILL feel the need to pull out a laser and confirm that the shot they face is indeed about 155 yards....just as they KNEW it was before using the laser. My conclusion is they have the laser and they use the laser simply because they can. If it disappeared tomorrow nothing would change in how they play their round of golf...except the time it takes to pull out the laser...sight...and read the pre-known result.
LOCK HIM UP!!!

Ed Oden

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Re: Don't be that guy....Part Deux
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2012, 12:12:47 PM »
Melvyn, I have seen you posit many times before that the use of distance aids in a manner permitted by the rules of golf is "morally indefensible".  But I do not recall seeing any historical support for that stance.  It seems to me that distance information (in one form or another) has been a part of the game for a very long time.  Are there any historical writings that suggest that stepping off yardage or accepting distance information from a caddie is morally wrong?  If so, I would genuinely love to see them.  I'm not trying to pick a fight.  Rather, I am sincerely interested in the source of your conviction.  While I am willing to be convinced, if you are asking me to accept a higher obligation than that which is mandated by the rules, then I need some basis for that position.

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