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V. Kmetz

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #250 on: April 24, 2012, 01:42:43 PM »
Dan gets the small humor value of titling a post this way.

I am thinking right now that:

1.  I'm no longer able to stand on what I say; now it's what others say I'm saying.  I'm going to bet every dollar in my pocket against every dollar in their pocket that not one of the Mike Youngs (+3 he says) who allegedly forwarded the thread did so without their own color or comment or context.  They could never just forward the thread and say, "Look at this, tell me what you think."  They MUST of course add their own opinion..."This guy is an asshole, right?" "Do you know this guys works for you" or somethign similar.  They make their own argument by characterizing their own reason for even performing the act.  and I doubt any of the alleged "forwarders" sent TEP's interview first, if at all, as they and all of us had it.  I tried to, and admit failure to do so, staying on the proprotionate things I thought needed answer in TEP's Part I.

1a.  This is especially born out by PMucci posting and highlighting one sentence in a 60-70 page document of words written in and for exposing the world that the Caddie sees.  Did you stop reading there Patrick Mucci?  It's classic blockheadedness (just like modern news media) to pick the one or seven things out of hundreds, because that thing alone validates your take on it.  Like #1 itself, I'll wager the forwarders just grafted something smaller, without any context, and said "this is the bolshevik."

2.  Can't stress enough that my relationship with the people I work for has been 99.9% about Golf and the human good that comes from it (as many, many posters have validated) and thus, has been fruitful and rewarding for both parties -- that's why I'm working as long and as well and as profitably as I have in this trade.

2a.  Yes, indeed, the inter-mingling of the parties is a very important part of the world of Golf both within playing relationships and staff-member relationships.  It's what I argue is absent in the larger American world; many are shielded, ignorant, be-dazzled and entertained so that they never see or contemplate the sufferings of  the other class, their fellow man and thus the further they are removed from havign to see it, the less sympathetic and cogent their political opinions become.  

3.  This perhaps is the most literal reason for my original post, at least the Part I prism that TEP exhibited.  It's easier to kill a person you don't see and as many cultural commentators acknowledge - we understand the death of one, better than the death of thousands. Welfare recipients are no longer people in need, they are entirely charcterized by the individual story of the woman who won the lottery and still filed for her checks. this is a Hannity tactic of the first degree.  TEP, in Part I tried to give his own biography as reflecting on all gentleman of the bearing he describes - when that story specifically talked of idle fucking off in the Ivy leagues or how leaving the board , but not the club, as a matter of conscientious behavior, I specifically sanctioned that.

And Dan C, a great post but if you just make a graph and pick any reasonable income level term (I used for this "Affluence in America" - Wikipedia)that defines middle and lower classes and then on the same graph plot that which defines the wealthiest .05, you would see that there is hardly any static distinction between the middle and lower classes already---not just heading there,...already exists.  And then just a tiny bit further up the charts, but diffused over a $1,000,000 income range is the .95%; are they closer to us or to the wealthiest? The dissaperaring middle and the poor..Beggars begging from beggars; the poorest do not want a dime from the middle class and most of the .95; we want it from the King...we are perfectly willign to work in the fields, support small and corporate business with our consumption and carry the golf bags, may we please have fuel for our hovels and gas enough to get to the venue?The king can have his castle and top flight everything, 2% more of the King's treasure will not impede these pursuits -- for just as in the last 5 years, not one less lobster dinner has been consumed, not one less new Mercedes has made the lot, caddie fees have risen and course renovation has not abated (at least where I've been, which is everywhere around here) so too will the sun rise after that 2 or 3 or 5% additional levy.

In terms of American's recent wars and who they are fought for, it's very much like Henry V, Shakespeare's play, drawn from Holinshed's and Halle's various histories of the Tudor formation. When young Hal gauges the mood of his troops before Agincourt in disguise, a soldier (not knowing he is addressing the king) says "If the king's cause be not just, then all are damned." This prompts Henry into a private soliloquoy, ruminating about the treachery of his father (Henry IV "Bollinbroke") who stole the crown from Richard II.  He thinks about kingship and the sins of the father when he says, "What art thou orb and scepter; cermony...mere ceremony."  The next day he delivers the St. Crispin's Day speech which divorces, for the first time in English literature or English political thought, divine right from the demonstrated merit of the men who will wage it.  The honor is loaded onto and  shared with the people equally as it is given to the king.  If you think it's just Shakespearean fiction, consider that 47 years later, when a Catholic monarchy was put into place by the Lords and property-owners, the King's head was lopped off, and Parliament ruled.

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Mike_Young

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #251 on: April 24, 2012, 01:43:28 PM »
Should words have no consequences?  Should people not be held accountable for words they write online?

In this age of social media we must be prepared to have our words have the effect of screaming them from the mountain top for everyone to hear.  I'm rather indifferent about the actions of Mike Y.  On one hand, he has no horse in this race.  On the other, he's holding someone accountable for something made public.

I generally sympathize with people that have less than I do in various aspects of life.  Then something like this happens:
Yesterday at a restaurant my friend wanted to order a bowl of chili.  He saw that they had chili fries and asked the cashier if they had a bowl of chili.  The fellow behind the counter asked the manager, who said no.  I told him to tell his manager that they just lost three customers.  The guy pretty much did his job but the manager really upset me.  It is then that really mean thoughts about fast food being a step up for a group of folks.  

Then I sympathize again because at least they work and may have at one time been dependent.  I don't know.  At least the thread has been good for opening my mind a little even if it doesn't change it.

I wish everyone the very best.  Find happiness not hatred in our small ways.

Steve S,
I can see why you might think " I have no horse in this race" and I don't know that I agree.
VKMetz would love my neighbors.  I live in a downtown area of a large college town and am surrounded by college professors on both sides and and front and back.  Most have the same notions, opinions etc as VKMetz writes.  And I like the guys and can sit and aggravate them for hours.
What pissed me off yesterday about this thread was my initial instinct as an employer.  Social media is not a private domain for any of us.  And in this country the small business owner has the right and ability to hire and fire at will.  I would hope and expect anyone that saw something on a social media site written by someone that represents me would do the same.  And I understand that anything I say here can used to form an opinion by anyone that reads it and can use that for or against me. 
So, while I support VKMetz's right to free speech and his right to live as he pleases, I support my right to pass along anything I see on social media.  As for the Winged For thing:  I was about the third guy that had already sent it to them.  That really aggravated me that someone beat me to the punch.


Mike

So now you want me to inform you when an employee of yours has a less than positive attitude toward some of this country's gentry?  I still can't get my head around where you are coming from - its completely left field stuff.

Ciao   
I would appreciate if you would....thx
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Will Lozier

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #252 on: April 24, 2012, 01:50:48 PM »

Let me be clear for any of you that wish to PM me such crap.  Don't PM it.  Write it out front.  And for the record I believe in "profiling" people and I have profiled someone like Metz.  Employers need to know who is working for them and handle accordingly.  My actual name is on my post...I would wager someone like Metz is a not the real name or he would not have made the comments.  

Cheers...

Mike,

I'll tell you right now that your behavior is childish at best...more like assanine.  Pathetic might actually be a better description.  Great work on the profiling - maybe the regime in Syria could use someone with your great "skills" to figure out who is trying to topple them.  You are a really brave man who should be very proud of himself.  
« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 02:18:16 PM by Will Lozier »

Jud_T

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #253 on: April 24, 2012, 01:51:34 PM »



Debt from previous years (in this case incurred by borrowing to cover Iraq and Afghanistan war costs) aren't a part of the DoD budget. The actual spending for military related activities is in the 600-700B range.


Craig,

Thanks,

You've just crystallized our government spending problem in a nutshell much more concisely than I ever could have..
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

George Pazin

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #254 on: April 24, 2012, 01:54:53 PM »
...And Dan C, a great post but if you just make a graph and pick any reasonable income level term (I used for this "Affluence in America" - Wikipedia)that defines middle and lower classes and then on the same graph plot that which defines the wealthiest .05, you would see that there is hardly any static distinction between the middle and lower classes already---not just heading there,...already exists.  And then just a tiny bit further up the charts, but diffused over a $1,000,000 income range is the .95%; are they closer to us or to the wealthiest? The dissaperaring middle and the poor..Beggars begging from beggars; the poorest do not want a dime from the middle class and most of the .95; we want it from the King...we are perfectly willign to work in the fields, support small and corporate business with our consumption and carry the golf bags, may we please have fuel for our hovels and gas enough to get to the venue?The king can have his castle and top flight everything, 2% more of the King's treasure will not impede these pursuits -- for just as in the last 5 years, not one less lobster dinner has been consumed, not one less new Mercedes has made the lot, caddie fees have risen and course renovation has not abated (at least where I've been, which is everywhere around here) so too will the sun rise after that 2 or 3 or 5% additional levy....

What you don't see in those charts is that there is constant flux among the individuals who make up all "classes", and a great deal of it is growth on the lower end and dropping on the higher end. In other words, the aggregates may not be changing that much, but those who comprise the aggregates are changing quite a bit. That is just one of the great flaws of static income analysis that most of the supposed smart guys overlook; I'll leave it to you to decide if it's by choice or simple ignorance.

Additionally, you are kidding yourself if you believe that 2 or 3 or 5% from the top whatever is going to make any difference whatsoever in your life or anyone else in the lower or middle classes. That money would be sent to Washington and squandered, likely ending up right back in the pockets of a handful of those who sent it in the first place, those politically connected enough to receive kickbacks.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Jeff Taylor

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #255 on: April 24, 2012, 01:57:02 PM »
"If Tom Paul is speaking accurately and with an inured philosophy/biography of a culture, no greater proof exists that the uber-wealthy should be dispossessed of at least one half of their holdings, if only to buy gasoline for the next 5 years for all American households earning less than 35,000 or entirely forgive all student debt in this country...even if it was to buy tickets to Death Metal concerts for 10 year-olds, it would be a better investment than such...dandism."


Dispossessed? Try confiscated.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #256 on: April 24, 2012, 01:59:33 PM »

Ben

You said and I quote “Instead of choosing those that would provide very interesting takes on golf architecture, we choose the shock jocks and self-loathing old schoolers”

Perhaps, just perhaps Ran required individuals who think outside the box, know the game, its history and the ability of speaking out and drawing a line in the sand. Instead of the day today conventional guy who is solely focused on his own line of work, perhaps only posts from time to time and generally hardly adds to the debate let alone knowledge of the game.  Don’t get me wrong, all credit to these guys for their hard work and long hours spent in maintaining or trying to create a golf course for the rest of us or the great course reports.

TomP can more than speak for himself, as for me, well I see a great game in decline, I see it being watered down with too many variations of the game, all seeking to be known as golf. I see players not committed to the game, just to themselves (which is fine, that’s their choice), but should not moan about others who are concerned and voice opinion accordingly. If you get passed the tone issue of my posts and look at the content then you might agree, but many don’t, it seems more important to retaliate first before seeing or should I say reading what they are actually retaliating against.

Agree or not that’s down to you and your fellow readers, but then I try to explain my points in full, define what I see as wrong or going wrong, offer the reasons why and suggestions as to how to proceed. I have no problems going up against the Governing Body as long as my points are honest and truthful.

To you it may be repetitive and boring, verging on anti-American. I just see the game I have known all my life being sliced into strips which dismiss or ignore the major parts of the Royal and Ancient Game of Golf. Most but not all has happened within my life time, I remember when if you want to play golf you walked and used your own brain and body to get you round. Today we have carts, distance aids, GPS, Caddies offering far more info than previous (yet back then, only when asked). However the most distressing for me is to see the great golf courses being changed and modified because our Governing Body will not take responsibility, believing its best to change tried and tested courses that for the most part hardly seen much change in half a century. We are not just losing the right to walk, thinking is being made easier and technology is helping to damage, change and destroy the gems of that game because a few unelected individuals are more concerned with making money that retaining the integrity of the game of golf.

The feature Interview as with the Discussion Group is designed, I believe to generate thinking and debate from all with an interest in the game of golf. However one error I suppose has surfaced, that is, no one has bothered in defining what game of golf we are talking about. I have therefore naturally based my comments on the game of golf that is played at The Open and in general that which was exported worldwide a century or so ago and which I have played all my life.

Without that common definition of the game we will always have a different approach as to how we view the game. Do I have a valid view, opinion, well who knows, do I have that right to express it if asked to do so by the guy who site it is, yes I think so. Do you agree with anything related to my comments on golf, well that’s down to you. But let’s not forget that I come with much connection to the game, certainly the early game, but that also means I come with some baggage too. By that I mean golfing education based upon family traditions as well as the golfing traditions.

The real question is do I and others who are not golfers/designers/green keepers really have a position or contribute to this site with its interest in GCA?  If not then I agree that we should not be allowed to be Members, get involved in the DG or have be featured on either the Feature Interview or In my Opinion.

Ben all it takes is to ask Ran to remove those who he feels are not contributing to the debate on Golf and GCA.

Melvyn

Mike_Young

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #257 on: April 24, 2012, 02:01:02 PM »
VK,
you say in you last post:
"If you are affluent, by dint of lineage OR hardwork OR both, AND you can look at yourself in the mirror and say, "I have done enough" then go in peace.  I have next to nothing and I still can't do it.  Confronted with both catastrophic and day-in, day out suffering where people who are living on so thin a margin, can be wiped out, literally wiped-out, by a car repair bill - I have no context to forget how but for the grace of something, goes nothing."
I agree with the above 100%.  And if that is all I had read about you I would have a completely different perception than reading the initial post of this thread.  

VK,
My actual note to my contact at WF was: " Go to GCA.com and read the post by VKMetz.  Do you know the guy?  I don't think he likes the people he works for...but then again I don't like a lot of those I work for either"  
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Mike_Young

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #258 on: April 24, 2012, 02:04:31 PM »

Let me be clear for any of you that wish to PM me such crap.  Don't PM it.  Write it out front.  And for the record I believe in "profiling" people and I have profiled someone like Metz.  Employers need to know who is working for them and handle accordingly.  My actual name is on my post...I would wager someone like Metz is a not the real name or he would not have made the comments. 

Cheers...

Mike,

I'll tell you right now that your behavior is childish at best...more like assanine.  Pathetic might actually be a better description.  Great work on the profiling - maybe the regime in Syria could use someone with your great "skills" to figure out who trying to topple them.  You are a really brave man who should be very proud of himself. 

Thank you Will....I'll  call Syria and see....
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

V. Kmetz

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #259 on: April 24, 2012, 02:33:30 PM »
Mike Y:

It's far more tepid than what the act of forwarding it all might suggest, but still there is more than a hint of what you think: "I don't think he likes the guys he works for" than what I actually think, do, perform and execute, and have for 30 years to great credit and great association.

And, just my opinion, if you were totally interested in fairness of the exposition, you would have put Tom Paul's interview first and perhaps said, "This person posted this, and this person posted that"

I'm willing to stand by what I say, think or actually do - not what someone else thinks, says or does about it.

I've never let anything personal detract from the role I serve in any venue I've served it; I owe the unique richness of my very life to many, many people amongst all sets, but I didn't and still wouldn't let Tom Paul's Memoir of a Gentleman go unanswered. 

I wish I could divulge the precise nature of what TEP and I have engaged, but I'm not goign to make what I think is your mistake and put words/thoughts into his mouth.  The time may and I think will come where TEP can give his precise reactions to my piece and why he thinks what he thinks and perhaps enlightenment will occur for all of us, from all of us.

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

JESII

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #260 on: April 24, 2012, 02:45:36 PM »
VK,

That you think you "answered" TEP's interview is the curiosity to me...

You merely took a golf course, whose designer you hate, identified two or three miniscule subpar aspects of it as evidence of why the game sucks.

Sean_A

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #261 on: April 24, 2012, 02:51:11 PM »

-My friend Mike Young had a right to do what he did, and I would hope that if my language regarding my chain of command was in the same ballpark as Mr. Kmetz' was about those in the gentry, that someone would remind me of my post and charge.  Free speech is free until is borders on infringing upon others.  Define that line as you may.

Ben

As far as I am concerned what Mike did has nothing to do with his right to do so.  I freely acknowledge that he is well within his rights.  What I seriously question is his judgement and motives in doing what he did.  I don't know Mike, but I never got the impression he was rash or does things in an ill-considered manner - hence the reason for my questions.  However, I see he is quite happy to have folks report to him what his employees have written on social sites.  That is fair enough, not how I would conduct business, but fair enough.  

Ciao  
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V. Kmetz

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #262 on: April 24, 2012, 02:58:02 PM »
Jim S.

I genuinely am confused - are you likening my first post to that of a review of a Golf course, and then as it unfolds to a view of the Game;

am I correct?  If so, I understand.  If not, I'm missing your meaning, honestly.

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

JR Potts

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #263 on: April 24, 2012, 03:07:02 PM »
I don't care enough to look for V. Kmetz's exact words and certainly don't have the time to do so - but I do wonder if his charaterization of WF members as "jocksniffers" qualifies as namecalling?

I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise. 

But then again, there's a lot of things about these posts that I don't understand or care to understand....the mob mentality of posting and the DM'ing of messages to me like I'm supposed to give a shit about what you're writing me being a few of those things.

Bowing out - enjoy.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #264 on: April 24, 2012, 03:09:09 PM »
Will Lozier,

Some hard working successful people in New Jersey pay taxes on upper end income at about 65 %.

What's their fair share ?  75 % ?     85 %   95 % or 100 %

Let's not confuse capital gains taxes on investments placed at risk, with taxes on ordinary income.

For those whose income is deemed "ordinary", why do you seek to take substantially more than 50% of what they make.

Bob_Huntley

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #265 on: April 24, 2012, 03:13:07 PM »
From time immemorial there have been the haves and the have-nots.

I met an American for the first time in 1943 and found him and his brothers in arms a totally diffferent cuttle of fish than the class concious ranks of  the British Army. As an imimigrant to  the  United States in the early sixties I found that no matter what position one held in society there was always a chance to climb the ladder. Where in the old countries the working class would rather key a Rolls, in the US the worker could have a dream of  owning a Cadillac. There was a different mind set about expectations.

I might have written something like this a couple of years ago.

My Mother died when I was eight. At her bedside I started to cry  and said it was unfair for her to be so ill. Her reply to me was a soft message that I still think of in this world full of inequiities to which Mr. Metz  has vividly described. She said " Bobby, the world is inherently unfair....you must get used to it".

Bob
« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 07:35:23 PM by Bob_Huntley »

V. Kmetz

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #266 on: April 24, 2012, 03:26:04 PM »
Good god JR,

First of all, YOU put the context of WF members as jock-sniffers; I didn't. I didn't identify them, any club, the persons or people of any one place as enaging that act.

It is however, amongst select individual behaviors I have observed in the 60 venues I have experienced the context to which the thread is devoted; I would not call any person that on a public board without them here to defend themselves, and probably not until they knew I identified them personally first.

I think of the hundreds of athletes Dr. J, John Starks, Roger Clemens, Tony LaRussa, Boomer Esiason, Jack Nicklaus (too long to go on) who I've either been with or near on loops and observed such shameful fawning behaviors from their hosts or pairings that the conclusion of "jock-sniffing" there and then is appropriate.

YOU said it was about WF members, not me, YOU said it was name-calling, when I gave no one to apply the name to.

If I said JR Potts is a jock-sniffer, that would be different - but it's not what I said and that's exactly what I mean about this no longer being about my words, deeds, actions or thoughts - it's about what/how you charcterize them and then assign the charcterization to me.

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Kirk Moon

Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #267 on: April 24, 2012, 03:30:35 PM »
What you don't see in those charts is that there is constant flux among the individuals who make up all "classes", and a great deal of it is growth on the lower end and dropping on the higher end. In other words, the aggregates may not be changing that much, but those who comprise the aggregates are changing quite a bit. That is just one of the great flaws of static income analysis that most of the supposed smart guys overlook; I'll leave it to you to decide if it's by choice or simple ignorance.

Mobility between the income quintiles in the US has been declining for years and is lower in the US than in a number of other industrialized nations.

Here are a few references if you care to partake:

http://www.economist.com/node/3518560

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic_mobility_in_the_United_States

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/national/20050515_CLASS_GRAPHIC/index_03.html

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/b1579981.html

It is true that those at the extreme top of the income ranking (top 0.1%) change dramatically from year to year, but this simply reflects the fact that many at the very, very top in any given year are there because of a windfall of some type.



« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 03:36:35 PM by Kirk Moon »

Bill_McBride

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #268 on: April 24, 2012, 03:30:35 PM »
Will Lozier,

Some hard working successful people in New Jersey pay taxes on upper end income at about 65 %.

What's their fair share ?  75 % ?     85 %   95 % or 100 %

Let's not confuse capital gains taxes on investments placed at risk, with taxes on ordinary income.

For those whose income is deemed "ordinary", why do you seek to take substantially more than 50% of what they make.

At some point in the not-too-distant future of this great country, the adults are going to have to sit down together and have an intelligent conversation about how we're going to move toward a balanced budget, and what level of revenues and spending will be required to achieve that objective over any given decade (as a dedicated Keynesian, I don't believe "balanced" is necessary or desirable on an annual basis).

I suspect elected politicians won't be allowed in the meeting.  

J_ Crisham

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #269 on: April 24, 2012, 03:30:58 PM »
From time immemorial there have been the haves and the have-nots.

I met an American for the first time in 1943 and found him and his brothers in arms a totally diffferent cuttle of fish than the class concious ranks of  the British Army. As an imimigrant to  the  United States in the early sixties I found that no matter what position one held in society there was always a chance to climb the ladder. Where in the old countries the working class would rather key a Rolls, in the US the worker could have a dream of  owning a Cadillac. There was a different mind set about expectations.

I might have written something like this a couple of years ago.

My Mother died when I was eight. At her bedside I started to cry  and said it was unfair for her to be so ill. Her reply to me was a soft message that I still think of in this world full of inequiities to which Mr. Metz  has vividly desciribed. She said " Bobby, the world is inherently unfair....you must get used to it".

Bob
Bob,    
                                           +1
                                                                              Wish you well,  Jack

Paul OConnor

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #270 on: April 24, 2012, 03:31:54 PM »
Is it just me, or is the prose of V. Kmetz difficult to read?

J_ Crisham

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #271 on: April 24, 2012, 03:35:05 PM »
Is it just me, or is the prose of V. Kmetz difficult to read?
Paul,  It must be you-weren't you some sort of Scholar?  ;)
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #272 on: April 24, 2012, 03:36:03 PM »
Is it just me, or is the prose of V. Kmetz difficult to read?

Most self-absorbed, pseudo-intellectual, angst-ridden political tomes have an element of reading difficulty to them.  I'm just having fun here, but my new, mental image of our colleague Mr. Kmetz is that of the political prisoner chained to the train car in Dr. Zhivago, railing against the car's inhabitants.  Again, just teasing, because the Access Whore in me is still trying to figure out a way for VK to arrange a gca play day/political theory retreat at Winged Foot later this summer.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

jeffwarne

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #273 on: April 24, 2012, 03:38:13 PM »
Is it just me, or is the prose of V. Kmetz difficult to read?

Perhaps we're just not educated enough (didn't take on enough student debt ;))
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

David Wigler

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Re: Is it even worth it?
« Reply #274 on: April 24, 2012, 04:25:21 PM »
Shel - Good try.  We both failed.  I will try to make Chicago work this summer. 
And I took full blame then, and retain such now.  My utter ignorance in not trumpeting a course I have never seen remains inexcusable.
Tom Huckaby 2/24/04