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Ran Morrissett

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Feature Interview Part I with Tom Paul is posted
« on: April 11, 2012, 05:22:28 PM »
As fate would have it, a man outside of Philadelphia named Tom Paul became hooked on golf course architecture around the very time that GolfClubAtlas.com went live from Australia. Our two paths have been intertwined ever since with one famous result being the creation of the most epic poster in the history of posting. No matter where a golf trip took me, the two most asked questions were 1) What can you tell me about Tom Paul? and 2) Is Pat Mucci really that big of a XXX? 8)

Though we all know the answer to question 2 ;), the answer to question 1 has not received its proper due until now. True for most people of his generation, Tom took up the study of golf course architecture at a relatively late age. Prior to that, he was a very active amateur, playing in as many as 40 events per year, either in the northeast or Florida depending on the season. At his playing best, he cared little for golf course architecture, focusing entirely on the swing mechanics and maintaining a deft short game. However, his interests began to change for good when he became involved in working out a land swap arrangement between Gulph Mills GC (which his family had helped found) and several hundred acres known as Ardrossan Farm with the Montgomery Scott family. Tom’s attempt to help orchestrate the move of a long established private club is a little bit like Don Quixote jousting at wind mills – and equally as noble as he was but a ‘HaHa’ away from actually pulling it off! I saw the plans that Bill Coore and he developed for Ardrossan Farms when I went on tour of the property with Tom nearly a decade ago. Hard to call something that never happened a loss but if something could qualify as such, Ardrossan Farms is it as it would have been a very special design.

Though Gulph Mills stayed put and the hopes for a course over the rolling terrain at Ardrossan Farms collapsed  :'( , Tom was forever hooked on golf course architecture. He played less and less and studied architecture more and more. As an example, in November 2002, he hit it to ten feet on the first and second holes at Garden City GC playing with our host Pat Mucci and me – and then picked up! :o He just wanted to walk and study the architecture, unencumbered by the need to play on his first visit to GCGC. The look on Tom’s caddie’s face was priceless as he feared he had done something to upset him. Indeed, the caddie wasn’t sure as to proper protocol – carry the bag for sixteen more holes for someone who wasn’t playing or prop it up against the tree behind the 2nd green and grab it while playing 18?

No surprise :D but Tom’s Feature Interview is voluminous in nature with the old adage of ‘It takes me a thousand words just to clear my throat’ happily being applicable. Thus, we are presenting it in two parts. Part Two is architecture centric and will be posted later this month. Based on how the we arranged the questions, Part One is only four questions and alternates between parts Wodehouse and Waugh. Sloughs who like to play with their shirts untucked and a baseball cap on backwards will probably roll their eyes at the last question ‘Is golf still a game for gentlemen?’ However, if you are the sort that instinctively removes your cap when you walk under the covered porch at Merion, you’ll appreciate the subject matter and Tom’s historical take on the evolution of the landed gentry such as below:

“I feel the ideal of a gentleman, or at least the concept of the “ideal gentleman” emanated from another concept known as “Noblesse Oblige” which is probably even less understood today. It revolved around the philosophy that if you were one from that “fortunate class” you had a moral responsibility to help mankind in some way or at least to treat all mankind with a certain degree of equanimity and fair-mindedness. I’ve always been fascinated by etymology and my (“English”) English teacher at St. Mark’s School was of the opinion that one of the etymologies of the word “snob” was an acronym that derived from the application process into clubs at “Public” schools in the UK (which were ironically the most private of schools). When those little boys of those schools selected applicants or candidates into their school’s social clubs, it was expected that the applicants practice the manners and philosophy of “Noblesse Oblige” (equanimity and fair-mindedness towards all) and if they did not they would be blackballed with the designation SNOB next to their name which was an acronym for “Sine Nobilis,” the English translation being—-without nobility.

The ethos of the world of my great, great grandparents, great grandparents, grandparents and parents, and in the vestigial world of that ethos I grew up in, a gentleman was still considered to be someone who treated all Mankind equally whether they were a president or a pauper, a cobbler or a king, a lord or a servant. However, in my own generation I did notice that ethos had definitely become diluted and the representatives of it had become increasingly defensive and frankly for more snobbish than their ancestors. My take on that evolution, or devolution, was that, compared to their ancestors, they had simply become increasingly insecure about who they were and what others thought of them.”


The very subject of golf as a finishing school for gentlemen fascinates me as without golf, men would have far too much time on their hands. Given that evil lurks everywhere, it wouldn’t be long before the very fabric of our society unwound! Standing between us and certain destruction is golf. A bit dramatic perhaps ... or is it?!

Since Tom offers such a unique social perspective, we would be remiss not to seize on the opportunity to discuss some of the fundamentals that ultimately shape both the sport and society. Few people could weave as effortlessly folks as disparate as the polo player Tommy Hitchcock, Ralph Lifschitz of other Polo fame, William Wilberforce, Disraeli, Tony Duke, and Tom’s grandfather’s partner J.P. Morgan into their answers as Tom has done. In the process, Tom reminds us that the original founders of the vast majority of great clubs did so to provide a place for like minded people to gather and have fun, NOT to make a quick buck.

By circumstances of birth, Tom is in the enviable position of having free time to do as he pleases. He contrasts sharply to those of us who have elected to go down the path of being independently poor  :-[ , courtesy of 100+ too many lavish golf trips. Importantly, he elected to give freely of his time to various amateur golf organizations including the GAP and the USGA. Many an impromptu gathering has been held at his barn in regards to golf course architecture with the Gil Hanse gathering memorialized on You-Tube on the GolfClubAtlas Facebook page. Along with the Emperor in California, the discussion of golf course architecture is as near and dear to this man’s heart as any person in the world. His two part Feature Interview combines a heart-felt take on society’s values and how they ultimately shape the golf playgrounds coupled with an intense knowledge of architecture.

Tom and I have spent countless hours on the phone, the conversations of which helped shape the nature of Part One. Hope you enjoy Tom’s singular take as much as I always do and stay tuned Part Two where the full breadth of his knowledge and historical interest in golf course architecture compressed into the past ~ thirteen years will be on display.

Cheers,
« Last Edit: April 11, 2012, 08:25:47 PM by Ran Morrissett »

JNC Lyon

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 06:41:57 PM »
I feel like I just walked into an F. Scott Fitzgerald novel.  Can we hear more about the infamous 1963 deb part of Fernanda Wanamaker Wetherill?
"That's why Oscar can't see that!" - Philip E. "Timmy" Thomas

Mac Plumart

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 06:57:43 PM »
1/2 way through the answer to the first question...needed to take a break before  finishing it...mentally exhausted!   :)
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Michael Blake

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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 07:20:50 PM »
A fun read.
Nice job Ran & Tom.


Eric Smith

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 07:40:21 PM »
I was out to dinner alone tonight as the girls and momma are at a Girl Scouts event. So I'm eating my burrito and I get a text from John Lyon: "Did u read ran's interview with tom paul. wow!" Intrigued, I wasted no time in jumping right in and over the next twenty minutes I am mesmerized, chowing down my burrito, staring at my phone and reading this wonderful Feature Interview. I only wish Part II was available to go along with the fried ice cream! Bravo Ran and Tom. This one is as good as they come!

John Kavanaugh

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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 07:58:58 PM »
We all have more than one thing in common. Love it!!!

Mac Plumart

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2012, 09:30:16 PM »
Losing Tom Paul as a contributor to the Discussion Group was a big blow to this site, I'm glad we got these interviews.

Bring on Part II.

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

J_ Crisham

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 09:54:37 PM »
Very nice interview! I had the good fortune to spend a day at Gulph Mills 4 years ago as a guest of Tom's along with a couple of fellow GCAers.Just a wonderful host- his presence is missed on this site. Looking forward to part
2 of the discussion.
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Tom Dunne

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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2012, 10:16:00 PM »
JNC,

Coincidentally, the story of the Wetherill deb party happened to resurface in New York magazine just a couple of weeks ago:

http://nymag.com/news/features/scandals/fernanda-wanamaker-wetherill-2012-4/

Tom Wolfe even wrote about it at the time. Quite the scandal!

Jason Topp

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2012, 11:52:41 PM »
Tom's writings provide a look under the skirt of a society of which I am vaguely aware but know nothing about.  Thanks Tom and Ran.

Sam Morrow

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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2012, 01:40:27 AM »
Fun read, I miss having Mr. Paul on the site, he is a very kind man who has been far nicer to me than he ever needed to be. :D

Michael Latham

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2012, 04:08:45 AM »
Simply brilliant, a wonderful, entertaining, witty and erudite read.
Part II please.

Ran Morrissett

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2012, 08:32:51 AM »
The most recent example of the slippery slope in the Decline and Fall of Civilization occurred this past weekend. I am referring to both this Sunday’s play-off as well as one 30+ years ago. The first involved three people. When Fuzzy Zoeller made the putt on the 11th green, Tom Watson instinctively turned and shook hands with Ed Sneed whom had missed three excruciatingly short putts over the last several holes. Obviously Watson too was crushed in defeat but he had the presence of mind to reach out and console someone else. A class act. Compare that to Blubber on Sunday who goes into a death clinch with his caddie then mother etc. before shaking the hand of his fellow competitor. Who cares, you say? A gentleman, that’s who! Someone who puts social graces ahead of himself at all times for the sake of a better world. Tom Paul once quoted a great line to me ‘Character is what one is in the dark ‘ – and he was right.

Jud_T

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2012, 09:18:57 AM »
Can't wait for part 2.  TePaul is sorely missed in these parts.  One less gentleman amongst the thundering horde...
« Last Edit: April 13, 2012, 11:25:30 AM by Jud Tigerman »
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Mark Bourgeois

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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2012, 10:15:48 AM »
The most recent example of the slippery slope in the Decline and Fall of Civilization occurred this past weekend. I am referring to both this Sunday’s play-off as well as one 30+ years ago. The first involved three people. When Fuzzy Zoeller made the putt on the 11th green, Tom Watson instinctively turned and shook hands with Ed Sneed whom had missed three excruciatingly short putts over the last several holes. Obviously Watson too was crushed in defeat but he had the presence of mind to reach out and console someone else. A class act. Compare that to Blubber on Sunday who goes into a death clinch with his caddie then mother etc. before shaking the hand of his fellow competitor. Who cares, you say? A gentleman, that’s who! Someone who puts social graces ahead of himself at all times for the sake of a better world. Tom Paul once quoted a great line to me ‘Character is what one is in the dark ‘ – and he was right.

I am closer to a doorknob than a gentleman but that was excruciating to watch. And that's all I have to say about that.

Don_Mahaffey

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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2012, 10:16:07 AM »
The most recent example of the slippery slope in the Decline and Fall of Civilization occurred this past weekend. I am referring to both this Sunday’s play-off as well as one 30+ years ago. The first involved three people. When Fuzzy Zoeller made the putt on the 11th green, Tom Watson instinctively turned and shook hands with Ed Sneed whom had missed three excruciatingly short putts over the last several holes. Obviously Watson too was crushed in defeat but he had the presence of mind to reach out and console someone else. A class act. Compare that to Blubber on Sunday who goes into a death clinch with his caddie then mother etc. before shaking the hand of his fellow competitor. Who cares, you say? A gentleman, that’s who! Someone who puts social graces ahead of himself at all times for the sake of a better world. Tom Paul once quoted a great line to me ‘Character is what one is in the dark ‘ – and he was right.

What a bunch of baloney.
Yeah, Watson shook Snead’s hand while Fuzzy was jumping for joy. B Watson had just won the Masters after a daylong battle, and with many personal issues going on behind the scenes. By all accounts from both Louis O and Bubba, they had a respectful battle with both congratulating each other and taking the time to talk about how great it was to be a part of it. A true gentleman doesn’t demean a son for hugging his mother after achieving the highlight of his career and especially considering events of his recent past.
BTW, Bubba and Louis have both stated that Bubba apologized for not acknowledging Louis sooner, and again according to both, the apology was accepted.

What does Bubba do in the dark? Financially support junior golf and raise money for charity. I have a feeling he would pass the dark test just fine.

Doug Wright

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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2012, 10:26:36 AM »
I just glanced at the TEP interview and realized (unsurprisingly) that I'll need a couple hours to get through it. For a minute I was wondering if Ran asked one only question... A bit of a contrast from the Pete Dye Feature Interview  ;D

A very interesting life story Tom. We miss you.
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David Stewart

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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2012, 11:17:00 AM »
I have to agree with Don here. I can't fault Bubba for his actions after the win. Multiple winners have hugged caddies immediately after they won. This is nothing new. The only person I think you can fault is Bubba's mother, who had no business on the green until after he and Louis shook hands. She basically injected herself in the Bubba/caddie hug. At that point, what was Bubba supposed to do? Give his mom a shoulder shrug and knock her off of him? I think it was okay that he took 10 extra seconds to hug her after just winning the Masters. As Don mentioned, he later apologized to Louis for the delay in shaking his hand.

I just YouTube'd O'Meara, Tiger, and Phil winning their first Masters. All hugged their caddies first, and those were just the first three I thought of. Mickelson doesn't even shake hands with DiMarco, just gives him a high five/back slap as he is concluding his hug with Bones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_aZwVaEEQ. Are none of them "gentlemen"?

George Pazin

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2012, 12:05:08 PM »
Don, It's a small thing but the caddy should have backed off and let him shake the other competitor's hand rather than doing a bee line for his man, oblivious of the guy who must be gutted to have lost. It's not a hangable offence but it's so much nicer when they go straight to the other player first - it's a show of respect. Same thing goes for Fuzzy or when players win Ryder Cup matches and often go straight to their team mates first. As for Tom Paul's interview: it reads beautifully. Really interesting stuff.

Good points. Imho, another real mistake was made by the marshals, or whoever sent Bubba's mom et al rushing in. If I'm standing there and my mom's there, she's the first person I hug. If the marshals or whoever had just held her for a moment, I believe Bubba would have had the presence of mind to approach Louie first. But you're right in saying the caddy should have sent Bubba over to Louie, too.

Thanks for the interview, btw! Scanned the first bit, looking forward to devouring the rest later.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2012, 12:14:33 PM by George Pazin »
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Kris Shreiner

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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2012, 12:08:18 PM »
It's very difficult to chastise a player for his actions/conduct during an emotional moment as grand as winning their first major. Sure, model comportment and grace is the ideal, but when a lifetime of commitment and toil is realized, and the weight of the sacrifice and strain to get there is unleashed...wow, that is a big ask to nail all the formalities with a restrained release.

There are a number of ways to assess what Bubba did. There are valid points all around. We shouldn't be to judgemental. It could have been better...and it could have been a lot worse. Tolerance for some excitement and joy doesn't seem to be too much to ask.
I was very happy for Bubba, as he earned his major and I believe tries to be a solid citizen. It's tough in the spotlight. In the dark you only answer to yourself. I believe some celebrating is acceptable in both environments.

Cheers,
Kris 8)
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"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2012, 12:23:30 PM »
Thanks Ran (and Tom P) for a wonderful interview; it's a pleasure to read.

Tom Dunne: thanks much for the link to that article. Who knew that one of those degenerates would go on to wax poetically about the golden age of golf course architecture? (On the other hand, maybe we shouldn't be surprised.... :))

Peter
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Mike Hendren

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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2012, 01:17:16 PM »
Wow! All this time I fashioned myself a hillbilly when in reality I'm a philistine! :o

Fascinating interview - thanks Ran and Tom.
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Sean Leary

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2012, 01:37:59 PM »
JNC,

Coincidentally, the story of the Wetherill deb party happened to resurface in New York magazine just a couple of weeks ago:

http://nymag.com/news/features/scandals/fernanda-wanamaker-wetherill-2012-4/

Tom Wolfe even wrote about it at the time. Quite the scandal!

I can just picture an 18 year old TEPaul swinging from the chandelier wearing a blazer, ascot  and white bucks..... ;)

Great interview, I can read Tom's stories all day long and not get bored.

George_Bahto

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2012, 02:23:14 PM »
I’ve been in Tom’s company many times, we worked on projects together, rode around NGLA together and often talk on the phone. I consider him a good friend.

Tom had been truly an important cog in the “gear” we know as golfclubatlas and I’m glad Ran set up this interview.

Hopefully, it will lead to TEP’s return to posting

He has much offer.

gb
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Bill_McBride

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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2012, 04:06:57 PM »
I’ve been in Tom’s company many times, we worked on projects together, rode around NGLA together and often talk on the phone. I consider him a good friend.

Tom had been truly an important cog in the “gear” we know as golfclubatlas and I’m glad Ran set up this interview.

Hopefully, it will lead to TEP’s return to posting

He has much offer.

gb

It would be great if Tom could start sharing his stories and history and golf architecture passion again, but there might need to be an auto-blocking system with regard to select posters.    ;D