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Patrice Boissonnas

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Patrice Boissonnas : introducing myself
« on: March 14, 2012, 08:17:28 AM »
Hi everyone,

As a newcomer to Golf Club Atlas, I thought it would be fair to introduce myself.
I am 37, married, father of 1 little girl and we live in Paris, France.
Golf has always been my passion since I was a teenager and I now play of a 7 hcp.

The first 11 years of my professional life were spent in top French conglomerates: L’Oréal and Louis Vuitton were I successfully held several marketing positions.
3 years ago though, I felt like I needed a big change and I first went back to school: I got a Master degree in History of Architecture at La Sorbonne in Paris.

Studying architecture made me realize how much I loved it and in the end it became clear that I could combine my two passions in one: being a golf architect.
The truth is: when I was in prep school some 20 years ago, I would draw golf courses during my Math classes. So I guess I already had it in me at this time. Plus, I observed in the recent years that my relationship to golf was changing: I am still very keen on hitting good strokes but I am far less obsessed with my score and much more attentive to aesthetic/strategic aspects. I also love watching other people play and see how they deal with all the difficulties on a golf course. I am now close to the point where I take as much pleasure walking a golf course than playing it even though I frequently feel itches in my fingers when walking on a beautiful course.
I also love reading about golf. In the past 12 months, I have accumulated close to 100 books from USA and UK and I can spend hours going through them one after the other.

I have only played about 200 courses in my life, but fortunately a good half of them are great designs, so I think I am able to tell a great course when I see one (building one is another thing…). I have played a lot of great courses in California, including Cypress Point, Pebble Beach, Riviera, PGA West Stadium etc. On the East coast, I went to Pinehurst and Fishers Island (one of my all-time favorites). Living in France makes British islands easily accessible, from Royal Portrush and County Down in Ulster to Wentworth near London with several trips to Scotland, both East and West coasts. But the more I study golf architecture, the more courses I add on my wish list…
In France, my favorites are Saint-Germain, Hardelot and Golf National. Le Touquet will surely be one of them when we finish our work up there. Other courses like Fontainebleau and Chantilly would be absolutely fantastic should they receive little more care. I don’t forget Morfontaine which is often considered French n°1.

Last summer, I was very lucky to meet Frank Pont with whom I have a lot in common including a 1st career in the corporate world. I take this opportunity to thank Adam Lawrence who had the brilliant idea to bring us together. Long story short, Frank and I are now partners. I learn a lot from him and we have both been blessed when we received a mandate to renovate Le Touquet la Mer (Harry Colt, 1931) and Hardelot les Pins (Tom Simpson, 1931). We are putting in a lot of efforts on these two projects which hopefully will help us getting other mandates in France where many classic courses are still in need of renovation. France is certainly the country with the most classic designs in continental Europe!

The golf market is pretty slow around here as in many other countries. The good news is France will host the Ryder Cup in 2018 and this should help promoting golf in the country, including with new builds, mostly compact courses near the big cities which are the kind of equipment we need the most.

I am very happy to join Golf Club Atlas. Seems like I could be logged in around the clock learning from everyone’s experience.
I am looking forward to sharing with you all!

Mac Plumart

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Re: Patrice Boissonnas : introducing myself
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 08:28:45 AM »
Welcome aboard!  I look forward to your insights.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

BCrosby

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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 08:35:02 AM »
Bienvenue Patrice.

Bob

PCCraig

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 08:39:10 AM »
Welcome Patrice! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
H.P.S.

Patrice Boissonnas

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 11:23:11 AM »
Brian,

the answer is no, Tandridge is Frank's own project. But I visited him while he was on site last October.
it was great because at that time, some holes were finished and some not even started yet, giving me a very good sort of "before & after" look. Very spectacular work I must say, also visually impressive with all the freshly cut out ragged edge bunkers ! It's a kind of look we've lost over the years and we're not used to it anymore. Though that's exactly how they were when you look at pictures from the past. That's what you call a restoration.

Bill Brightly

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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 11:35:52 AM »
Welcome! Introductory question: What is the CB Macdonald template hole that was inspired in France?

Patrick Kiser

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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 11:36:09 AM »
Bienvenue à bord Patrice!  Moi-même j'suis un Chti du Nord  ;) qui habite à San Francisco.
“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Jud_T

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2012, 11:42:41 AM »
Patrice,

Welcome aboard.  I look forward to your contributions here as the Continent is underrepresented.  And if you can keep up with Frank at a session of De Molen Stout, you are a better man than I!   ;)
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Patrice Boissonnas : introducing myself
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 11:43:09 AM »
Big welcome Patrice....wonderful introduction and very impressive to have changed directions in life midstream..having done the same myself I know how difficult that can be...glad to have you on board.

Patrice Boissonnas

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2012, 11:48:57 AM »
Well Bill, I assume you're thinking of the Biarritz ? Which has a nice Seth Raynor's version in Fishers Island by the way...
As you probably know, the old Biarritz course is long gone. They probably made a lot of money selling this beautiful piece of seashore property to greedy promoters.
The current Biarritz course is very nice though and looks as it's been there for ever. One great lesson from this course that I want to share with you : in Biarritz, the shorter the hole, the harder. It's really unique. When they host big tournaments, they even have men hitting from the front tees on some par 3's ! Greens are small and fast and very hard to hold from anything under 100/120 yards.

Patrick, je suis ravi de ne pas être le seul français à bord !!

RJ_Daley

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2012, 11:52:20 AM »
Welcome.  It will be very enjoyable to have a new contributor and fresh perspective.  

With each new architect that participates, I always ask what background and on-site experience they have working with operating equipment, and working 'in the dirt', so to speak.  Also, how would you describe your level of learning or understanding, agronomy, turf grass science and management.  How important have you found knowledge in those areas, in accomplishing your goals as a GCA?
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 12:08:25 PM »
Patrice, I used to draw golf courses in college classes, meeting rooms, etc.  They were always flat with no topography!   Did you figure out a way to draw them in 3-D?   ;D     Welcome to Golf Club Atlas.   

Also, in which arrondisement do you live?  I really miss Paris!

Ben Stephens

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2012, 12:42:15 PM »
Welcome on board GCA Patrice!

James Boon, a fellow GCA'er, and myself are RIBA practioning architects. I am also in partnership with Adrian Stiff in the newly formed SAS Golf Design as well as having my own practice working on architecture projects. It is a complete contrast isn't it - straight lines and curvy lines as opposites in the end it is the quality, change or improvement that is positive about our work

Great to know that you and Frank have similar backgrounds and thoughts towards golf course architecture. The work you both have recently done at Hardelot and Le Touquet is impressive and you have marketed the courses very well to me and it is now on my wish list of courses to play. I wish you both all the best for the future and look forward to seeing future projects on GCA!

One way of increasing the number of golf courses or improving them is to use inert landfill which brings the money to the site so that it can be re invested and shaped as a good quality golf course - this is the future of reuse of materials and converting them for recreation use in a good way. It is like an artist with a blank canvas - I would encourage this to happen more often in France.

Cheers
Ben

 

Kris Shreiner

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2012, 01:29:49 PM »
A warm welcome Patrice! I admire your conviction to pursue an endeavor for which you obviously have true passion. Congratulations on the partnering work with Frank Pont. While I've never met him, his love of golf photography and quality design work have my utmost respect.
Having never been to, or played golf on mainland Europe, where would you say the golf in France needs to improve. More affordable public golf? More variety in architecture, better efforts to provide youth access to the game...what?

Cheers,
Kris 8)
"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Rich Goodale

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 03:57:52 PM »
Bienvenue Patrice!  And whilst you're thinking about French golf per Kris' request, do you know anything about Nimes Campagne, where I will be playing 4 weeks from today?

Slainte

Rich
Life is good.

Any afterlife is unlikely and/or dodgy.

Jean-Paul Parodi

Bill_McBride

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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 04:22:22 PM »
Bienvenue Patrice!  And whilst you're thinking about French golf per Kris' request, do you know anything about Nimes Campagne, where I will be playing 4 weeks from today?

Slainte

Rich

This isn't Patrice, but I suspect it's in the country outside Nimes.   ;D

Frank Pont

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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 06:44:00 PM »
Welcome Patrice,

I've already gotten to know you as a very smart and talented person, who has already added a lot of value to the projects we have worked on together.

I'm very confident you will shine your light on many French subjects, architecture philosofies, esthetics, and of course French food  :)

And last but certainly not least, my kids can't wait till you visit us again, they LOVED your Parisian cookies!

FP

Patrice Boissonnas

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2012, 06:58:42 AM »
Thanks everyone far all your welcoming words and comments.

Here are some answers to your diverse questions:

I live in the 8th arrondissement, it’s very central but my favorite is the 7th.

I played Nîmes-Campagne 10 years ago. It’s a good course designed in 1968 by Donald Harradine and Léonard Morandi. Probably one of the best courses built in France in this dark period for golf architecture. Always had a good reputation, nice environment, not worth a trip across the Atlantic but certainly the best course in this area.

French golf market:
I think we need to get better at both ends of the market. No problem with the middle market where a large majority of our courses stand at the moment:
•   Our best courses need to get better (renovated design + improved maintenance) to really establish the country as a leading golf destination. Not only we have a great number of pre-war/classic courses, including those from Colt & Simpson, but we also have good “new” courses from Van Hagge, Trent Jones (& Jr.), Dye, Bill Coore etc. It’s exactly what we do with Frank in le Touquet and Hardelot, we try to take both courses to the top of their potential, bringing them from “great French courses” to “great courses by international standards”. Hosting the Ryder Cup and having the Evian Masters as a Major tournament will surely help improve our image as a top golf country.
•   At the other end, we need to promote golf to populations who don’t have access to the game. That means new facilities near the cities, probably shorter courses, faster and less expensive to play, easier as well, and with a non-country club atmosphere. In France, non-golfers have a lot of prejudices towards golf: they see it as an elite game (not even a sport) for rich and old people and they couldn’t be more wrong because we have a lot of kids embracing the game and most people you meet on the courses are far from being rich. Hopefully hosting the Ryder Cup in 2018 will create a good dynamic. The French Golf Federation is committed to building new affordable facilities, but everything seems a little frozen with the crisis.

My skills as an architect:
I have a lot to learn of course since my academic background is Business School/Philosophy/History of Architecture. I am getting better with Autocad day by day, but so far I am only at the 2D stage. My first experience “in the dirt” was last autumn renovating bunkers, re-routing cart paths and supervising tree cuts: for that we didn’t draw 3D plans. But we will when we get to modifying greens and I’m gonna learn it from Frank. We also spent a lot of time looking into archives, finding old aerial pictures and then walking both courses in order to read traces from the past and determine how we would like to renovate them.
Agronomy wise, I am no less of a newcomer. I have already learnt a lot about sward, rootzone and perched water table. I read books on the subject, GCA magazine is great too, I talk a lot to green keepers when I meet them and so it goes…
I also have followed some French architects while they were working on site and learnt a lot from watching them and talking to them.
I think I have all it takes to be a golf architect: passion for the game, a good eye, a passion for nature and beauty, a sense of details and to tell you the truth, I really enjoyed my time “in the dirt”. Now I still have a lot to learn of course but I am a fast learner + it will come with time.

And finally, a lot of French courses have been built on inert landfills (and sometimes less inert…). Golf National is one of those. They had trucks coming in from everywhere for 2 years before they could actually start shaping. There is a new cheap synthetic 9 holes course in the South of Paris that was almost totally financed by incomes from receiving landfills…

Jon Wiggett

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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2012, 07:16:53 AM »
Welcome to the group Patrice,

have you had the chance to play the old course at Mandelieu near Cannes? If so what did you think of it? I played there a couple of years ago not knowing anything about it and was really impressed.

Jon

Kris Shreiner

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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2012, 07:48:27 AM »
Patrice,

Thank you for your assessments of where French is at present and could go in the future. Makes total sense to me! I believe you and Frank will have a bright path these next few years. You have piqued my interest in seeing the golf, in addition to the awesome culture, that France has to offer.

Cheers,
Kris 8)
"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Melvyn Morrow

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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2012, 07:57:52 AM »

Patrice

Welcome to the Lion’s den. The convention is go with the flow and talk of the best 100 course in various part of the world, but never voice an opinion that might be different to the established thinking (now that’s a joke in itself- modern golfers or come to that designers actually thinking).  Do so and you will wilt, post occasionally before fading into the rough.

Be yourself and offer up your real beliefs, test the water and help us all by encouraging thinking to re-engage our minds back to the game of golf and what little is needed to play such a challenging game.

You will find many a friend and good fellowship on this site, although at times you may have to search for it, but nevertheless it is there in abundance.

Enjoy your work, game and contributing on GCA.com – I look forward to your first ‘In My Opinion’ feature, not to mention your first topic.

A warm welcome  ;D ;D ;D 8)

Melvyn

Angela Moser

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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2012, 09:05:32 AM »
Bonjour Patrice

ca va bien? It is good to have another European golf course architect in the GCA community. Well, you said that you were working in the field, but did you operate the machinery or were you advising the shaper?

Again, welcome on board!


Patrice Boissonnas

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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2012, 10:37:40 AM »
Angela : only the shaper handled the digger, I am not trained for that (yet?), but I had a lot of fun helping with the 6 tons dumper which is easier tamed.

Jon : I have actually never played in Cannes and strangely I only have played very few courses in the South of France. But for sure, that one stands high on my wish list.

Brett_Morrissy

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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2012, 07:52:43 AM »
Bonsoir Patrice,

Welcome to the GCA, I hope you are able to gain as much as you give, and teach, share, and help yourself and all of us gain further knowledge here, it is a great subject and for many it seems an ideal career, if not always perfect.

I am heading to France in June, with hopefully a week in Paris with my family, maybe we can catch up ?

Cheers
Brett
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Patrice Boissonnas

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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2012, 05:30:28 AM »
Hello Brett,

sorry for not coming back to you any earlier, I simply didn't see your post.
I'll be happy to meet you in Paris in June if that's confirmed on your side.
Do you know more about your plans?
Would you like to play golf at some point?

Best,
Patrice.

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