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Ran Morrissett

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Feature Interview Part I with Melvyn Morrow is posted
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:30:50 PM »
This month’s monster Feature Interview with Melvyn Morrow is broken into two parts, the first of which is being published today. The second part (i.e. the remaining 24  :o pages!) will be published February 18th.

Obviously, much ground is covered. First we start with his great grandfather, Old Tom Morris. Melvyn neatly summarizes Old Tom Morris when he writes that his ‘primary contribution to the game was his ability to bring golf to the masses. His life’s work was to encourage the playing of the game of golf. His great ability was to read the land, noting if it was suitable for the game and then suggesting the number of Holes that a specific section of land could accommodate.’ Melvyn goes on to say, ‘One thing that I am indeed proud of was his ability to understand the game and the way it clearly interfaced with the land and environment, something I feel was quickly lost by the Second World War. Such vital lessons that the land must be fit or sustainable for the game of golf otherwise do not build a course, still are being ignored in the mad belief that money allows the ability to build great golf courses.’

The historian will delight in perusing this Feature Interview in part because of the impressive array of illustrations that Melvyn has included. Students of golf course architecture should be captivated as well such as when Melvyn ponders ‘I find it interesting that in these modern times we introduce the word Strategic yet within the same breath we highlight non penal. I can’t get my mind around this because I firmly believe that when discussing golf the very word strategic must be centred around penal. Golf from start to finish is penal. It is that which gets us to play the game, more importantly, it is the key IHMO to getting repeat rounds over a course, to the point that the word ‘Greatness’ may be attributed to that course.’ He concludes that ‘Strategic is nothing without penal’ which is really well put. Here is another gem: ‘Bunkers/traps are a deterrent forcing the golfer to think his shot, to play safe or test his skill, and take that leap of faith. So they need to be seen as such, to be allowed to play upon the mind of the golfer.’ If ever Geoff Shackelford does a follow-on to his first rate book of quotes Lines of Charm, this Feature Interview is a potential gold mine.

I have read it a few times now, always finding new nuggets to savor. For instance, Melvyn points out, ‘The Gutty ball gave golf that window of some 50 years of consistency allowing the clubs to be developed thus making golf into a fluid game.’ This concept/need for stability/consistency is a REALLY interesting one that is rarely discussed. Certainly, I don’t think that the sport has enjoyed it in recent times. In part, this foundation of consistency is why Melvyn considers the time from ~1850 to 1900 as the sport’s true Golden Age.

Melvyn’s comments aren’t for everyone, which is EXACTLY why they are a delight to read. Some traditionalists like Ralph Livingston and Kevin Mendik will crack a wry smile when they read that ‘The real inheritors of the Royal & Ancient Game of Golf must today rest with those playing the Hickory Game. ‘ Melvyn succinctly summarizes his own view point when he writes/pleads, ‘A Golfer must rely 100% upon his own efforts, which means no outside help, be it from a cart, a caddie, a distance book or electronic aid. The game is based upon walking, which, in itself, reflects a degree of fatigue to the way one plays, certainly towards the end of a round. It is the first and major part of the challenge of the game. Ignore that, and then tell me what game you are playing because it is not Golf!’ I agree 100% with those sentiments, making all the rest of what he has to say of great interest.

Some writers today are too professorial in laying out their thoughts/ideas. To me, their writing style mutes the romance of the game. Not with Melvyn as passion oozes from each paragraph. It is heart felt too such as when he writes, ‘Lack of positive control of technology, allowing technology in both ball and golf clubs to reduce a golfer score is gutless in the extreme.’ He is even more blunt when he pens, ‘Yet IMHO technology is about to, if it has not already outgrown TOC. For this golfer, that is in itself a crime against TOC, against all golfers, also Golf as a game. Is it not a very serious indictment against the R & A as the ruling body of the game?’ Melvyn isn’t playing any angles here as he isn’t trying to sell us anything; Old Tom Morris’s legacy is more than secure. At my urging, Melvyn is sharing with us his unique perspective on the game in a format that I find better suited for him than the Discussion Group as he can fully expound on points without getting diverting. (FYI I have made the same offer to TEPaul to do a Feature Interview and he has twenty-some questions presently in front of him).

The last Q & A of this portion centers around the five worst developments since the passing of Old Tom. Like the rest of the Feature Interview, the answer is potent and it sets the stage nicely, leaving the reader wanting more. See what you think!

Bottom line: My personal hunch is that more people have tried and stopped playing golf in the past fifteen years than in any other period in the sport’s history. Why has golf stagnated? Why have so many people turned their back on the very sport that we love? For answers, read this month’s Feature Interview and stay tuned for Part II in ten days!

Cheers,

Mike Nuzzo

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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 02:45:30 PM »
Thank you Ran and Melvyn
Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Niall C

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Re: Feature Interview Part I with Melvyn Morrow is posted
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2012, 02:49:34 PM »
Ran

Many thanks for a wonderful write up. I haven't read the interview yet but Melvyn will have to go some to live up to the billing. I've always disagreed with my friend on use of carts (trying walking in the scorching Spanish heat after a meagre two ours sleep and enough San Miguels to sink a small boat) and his castigating of the R&A but wholeheartedly agree with his point about golf being a challenge and a golf course being an obstacle course.

Off now to read the interview.

Cheers

Niall

George Pazin

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 03:14:54 PM »
Very fun read, I look forward to re-examining more in-depth tonight.

I am really glad Melvvn stuck it out on here. Thanks, Melvyn, hope you are well, looking forward to sharing a drink someday.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Jason Topp

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 03:57:35 PM »
Thank you Melvyn and Ran.  This is an excellent format for setting forth Melvyn's views and to bring together his family history.

Pete_Pittock

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2012, 07:33:59 PM »
Well done old chaps. Sit back and enjoy your claret as we delve into the interview. There is a lot to chew on and IMHO Melvyn's view on the penal/strategic  nature of golf is spot on.

Jackson C

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 09:04:53 PM »
Enjoyed the interview... insightful.

In tribute to Melvyn, I am going to play my next round without reference to any distance measures.  Play just by feel and with my senses.  I think it will be fun.

A good GCA discussion topic -- what/how would GCAs design courses differently if distance aids (except for the score card?) are prohibited?
I never thought of this before, but I can imagine better course designs.
"The secrets that golf reveals to the game's best are secrets those players must discover for themselves."
Christy O'Connor, Sr. (1998)

Mac Plumart

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 09:37:27 PM »
Top notch...TOP NOTCH!!!

I think Melvyn is spot on and has been spot on for quite sometime.  I think this format, a featured interview, gives him a great platform to preach his gospel.

Also, those pictures of Hell and The Road Hole Bunker are amazing.  Especially there transformation over time. 

Jackson...on the use of distance aids and better course design...I can't say that courses would for sure be better designed, but the tricks and mental games architects play could be more intimdating without aids.

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Colin Macqueen

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 03:56:58 PM »
Melvyn,

You old dog you!! How does it feel to be let of the leash like this!  A wonderful interview providing food for thought. I particularly like the fact that your family history is now archived for want of a better description. The photos, diagrams and old documentation bring the piece to life.
And you, Melvyn, at full throttle, no brakes and no diversions or Stop signs are as delightful, though not always as soothing, as a fine malt!

Orra best and thanks to both yourself and Ran,

Colin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

Eric Smith

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 04:02:23 PM »
Looks like a winner to me. I can't wait to read it. Thank you Melvyn and Ran.

Michael George

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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 05:24:54 PM »
I read the interview and really enjoyed it.  

Melvyn, interesting as always, but very thought provoking.
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"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones

Dick Kirkpatrick

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 06:41:36 PM »
I know there are times when Melvyn can be a little trying with his golf cart rants etc. but this is one of the best interviews I have ever read on any subject.

It is amazing just how complete he has researched his family tree and history in the game of golf.

Wonderful, can't wait for part 2.

Melvyn Morrow

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2012, 06:21:17 AM »

Wow, Thank you Ran for your introduction, if I have succeed in getting some to see the real beauty that traditional golf offers then I am more than satisfied.

To all the others who have made kind comments – my thanks for reading Part One of my Interview and for your follow up posts.

Alas as this is GCA.com we have to tolerate the morons who prefer to expose us to their petty little world yet still unable to add anything constructive to the topic in hand. This detritus and flotsam that clings to the Discussion Group has limiting the real potential of this great site.

To those golfers, I again thank you for your constructive comments whether you agree or not with my opinions.

Melvyn

Jon Wiggett

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2012, 05:17:02 PM »
Well done Melvyn.

Really good interview with many fine and enlightening points. Hope to meet up with you some time for a drink and a chinwag. You are spot on about carts, especially here in Scotland unless there is some medical need one should walk. Its a sport after all.

Jon

Rob Rigg

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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2012, 09:49:51 PM »
Very interesting read - Thanks Melvyn and Ran.

I wonder if the technology will ever be slowed down or if more "great classics" will be ruined (again) to accommodate the 350 yard Rocket driver?  I guess the walk is turning into a bit more of a hike - as long as we have the option we should be satisfied? At least in the US.

Looking fwd to part 2 (of 5) :)

Jeff_Lewis

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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2012, 12:10:05 PM »
Thanks, Ran, for a great piece.

William_G

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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2012, 06:35:18 PM »
Well done! Like the article especially strategy being intertwined with penal.

Regarding the changes in how golf is played and golf courses are built, etc... reminds me of "the only constant in life is change"
It's all about the golf!

Tony_Muldoon

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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2012, 03:42:21 AM »
Thank you for taking the time to set this out Melvyn, it is a most interesting interview and it makes sense of you  position on many issues.


So far two points

1
You attribute the first fairway on TOC to Old Tom.  Any thoughts as to why it's so flat?  When I first saw it I compared it to a snooker table?

2
You ask “why would any golfer want to fly over a course?”

It seems to me that this is one of the attractions to golf and I felt it particularly strongly when I took the game up at the age of 42.  I was able to completely identify with the ball in flight.. How delightful it was when, by my own skill, I flew (the ball) from here to where I want to be.  Man has always wanted to fly and I still follow the ball in the air with all my heart. 

The more I play the more I appreciate the ground game, at least around the green.  But golfers will always want to fly the ball onto greens. The same thought is in “The Game of Golf”  Willie Park  1896.
Let's make GCA grate again!

Melvyn Morrow

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2012, 07:00:08 AM »

Thank you for your comments.

Tony

As for the aerial game, there is a vast difference in local flights which was the norm and gave the basis for the length of the traditional course. And yes well practices in the 19th Century when the gutty gave the game time to breath and mature, that 50 years of game consistency, so lacking ever since with the rush to allow technology free range instead on being controlled.

You raised a good point, one which I failed to convey in my interview relating to the aerial game. As I mentioned above the aerial game was well known since the instigation of the standard game, but it’s the - lets define it by the international aerial game – like long distance flights across the oceans not channels or rivers. The real long hall flight, that is what I am referring to when discussing todays aerial game in which the ball nearly lands upon the Green no matter which Hole (OK slight exaggeration perhaps, but I hope you get my drift).

Golf courses from the 19th Century were designed for the aerial game suitable to accommodate the ball, same can be said about the second Golden Age designs when it took a good two shot to get close to the Greens, but today with no control course have had to be lengthened to madding lengths or the ball neigh hits the Greens every time from the Tees. Result is rendering 150 years of prime golf course design and great courses obsolete. BY flying over what was once effective hazards today we do not need to consider the past masters of design because their designs no longer come into the equation. The game for the top or long hitters has degraded into a Pitch and Putt game with emphasis on putting. Hell Tony you will have more fun playing or watching a game at the Himalayas St Andrews.

As for the flat 1st Fairway on TOC, you might get an understanding from part 2 of my interview soon to be posted.


Mac Plumart

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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2012, 09:33:19 AM »
Melvyn always talks about "land fit for the puropose of golf."

Here is a cut and paste from an Ed Oden post on another thread.  The bold print is my input.

As far as I know, Maxwell's January, 1935 interview in American Golfer was the only time he spoke or wrote in detail about his design principles.  Here is a portion of what he said about his general philosophy:

"It is my theory that nature must precede the architect, in the laying out of links.  It is futile to attempt the transformation of wholly inadequate acres into an adequate course.  Invariably the result is the inauguration of an earthquake.  The site of a golf course should be there, not brought there.  A featureless site cannot possibly be economically redeemed.  Many an acre of magnificent land has been utterly destroyed by the steam shovel, throwing up its billows on earth, biting out traps and bunkers, transposing landmarks that are contemporaries of Genesis...  The less of man's handiwork the better a course."



Just sayin'.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Michael George

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2012, 09:55:44 AM »

Mac - did you enjoy Shadow Creek?
"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones

Mac Plumart

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2012, 10:00:27 AM »
Ummm....well....you see...what happened there was.... :-[

Yes.  I liked it.  Darn you, Michael...DARN YOU!!!

 :)


But seriously, I think the point Melvyn hammers home with this is that you can build a Lido or a Shadow Creek or any other mega budget manufactured coure and it can be good, and in some instances great.  But at what cost?

Anyway, I'm putting words in Melvyn's mouth...I'm sure he can take this ball and run with it.


Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Michael George

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2012, 02:04:14 PM »

Mac - as I said in my single days, golf courses are like woman.  Just because I may prefer blondes (ie. Doak and C&C and GB & Irish links) does not mean I don't like an occassional brunette (ie. Dye and Nicklaus) or even a red-head (ie. Fazio) !!
"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones