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Mark_Rowlinson

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Starting at the top
« on: December 30, 2011, 10:55:20 AM »
MacKenzie at Alwoodley
Crump at Pine Valley (with a little help from others)
Fowler at Walton Heath
Abercromby at Worplesdon
Markes at Sandy Lodge (with advice from Vardon)

Who else started at the top?

Two of these, Crump and Markes, never designed another course. Are there other one-course-wonders?
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Matt Bosela

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2011, 11:02:34 AM »
Henry Fownes at Oakmont would definitely qualify...
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2011, 11:11:36 AM »
The dude at Kittansett, although they say that Flynn was more involved there than history cares to say...

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Michael Blake

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2011, 11:15:39 AM »
Though not a one-course-wonder, Hugh Wilson started at the top.  (sorry to re-introduce more Merion drama :) )
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2011, 11:16:28 AM »
I thought Wilson was responsible for Pirate Golf in Myrtle Beach, before he shifted gears to full-size course(s)?
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Sean_A

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2011, 11:33:11 AM »
We don't know exactly what Colt did at Rye, but he was involved in the early design.  I think this is starting at the top.

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David_Tepper

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2011, 12:02:58 PM »
Jack Neville at Pebble Beach!
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Michael Blake

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2011, 01:45:28 PM »
Quote from: Ronald Montesano on December 30, 2011, 11:16:28 AM
I thought Wilson was responsible for Pirate Golf in Myrtle Beach, before he shifted gears to full-size course(s)?

I heard he designed the old Rooftop Golf at Belmar Playland (in NJ) on Ocean Ave.  Classic layout.  It's since been renovated.
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Joe Leenheer

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2011, 01:55:56 PM »
Ross...started with Oakley CC in Mass...then went someplace in North Carolina...
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David Kelly

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2011, 01:56:06 PM »
Nicklaus at Harbour Town.
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Alfonso Erhardt

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2011, 02:45:52 PM »
Arana at El Prat
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2011, 08:35:49 AM »
My first job was working for Pete Dye at Long Cove.  That was starting at the top, as far as I am concerned.

If an architect really does his best work on his very first project, then either:

(a)  He only ever did one course,
(b)  His helpers should get far more credit than they are getting,
(c)  He only ever had one good piece of property to work on, or
(d)  He shirked his responsibilities on future projects.

Everyone should get better at their craft as they gain experience.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2011, 09:27:14 AM »
Does that theory apply to posting on this site, too?
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Will Lozier

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Re: Starting at the top
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2011, 10:31:15 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on December 31, 2011, 08:35:49 AM
My first job was working for Pete Dye at Long Cove.  That was starting at the top, as far as I am concerned.

If an architect really does his best work on his very first project, then either:

(a)  He only ever did one course,
(b)  His helpers should get far more credit than they are getting,
(c)  He only ever had one good piece of property to work on, or
(d)  He shirked his responsibilities on future projects.

Everyone should get better at their craft as they gain experience.

Tom,

You started at the top or Pete did?

I would think The Golf Club would be considered a better effort of his, no?

Cheers
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