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Joel_Stewart

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10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« on: November 17, 2011, 04:45:07 PM »
I saw this old article today.  With Pinehurst and LACC fixed, and Yale getting close, who should make the list?  Of course my vote is Olympic Club but there must be others.




10
Great Architectural
Crimes of the 20th Century
by Ran Morrissett

Ever since a trip to Scotland in 1981, Ran Morrissett
has been hooked on the study of golf course
architecture. With help from his brother, he started
golfclubatlas.com in 1999 to promote a frank and
serious discourse on the subject.

Augusta National: When Bob Jones founded the club,
Oakmont and Pine Valley were the established titans in
American golf. The design that MacKenzie came up with
was truly revolutionary, with its apparent lack of
hazards. Please rename it the Masters Course, as
MacKenzie's startlingly original design of wide
fairways and less than 30 bunkers has devolved into a
course with rough and ever narrowing treed corridors.
In short, it has become a straightforward parkland
course. Translation: yawn.

George Thomas: The mistreatment of his courses in
Southern California-the hatchet jobs at Bel-Air, LACC
North and Riviera. It is alarming that more excellent
alternate shot holes, like the 11th and 17th at
Bel-Air and the 8th at Riviera, have been lost or
wrecked than have been built since. Why should one of
the three or four greatest architects of all time have
his best work so mistreated?

Oakland Hills: The pinching of the fairways in the
hitting area and the frontal bunkers spelled the end
of options and the ground game for at least 40 years,
while promoting a boring type of "championship" golf.
Also, the work set the horrible precedent for future
changes to other classic courses including Oak Hill,
Inverness and Scioto.

Decades of neglect at Yale: Ranked No. 29 in the world
in 1939, Yale Golf Club now does not even rank among
the top five courses in the golf-weak state of
Connecticut. The bunker work done in the last several
years shows either a lack of understanding of Seth
Raynor's work or a lack of ability -- or both.

No. 12 at Garden City: In an ideal world, an architect
would resist when a club wants to destroy a unique
hole that has good -- though rarely seen -- golfing
qualities. However, in the real world, architects need
to make a living too, so it is hard to blame Robert
Trent Jones, Sr., for accepting a project at
prestigious Garden City on Long Island. However, he
can be held responsible for coming up with, first, a
bad hole and, second, a poorly conceived hole that
never looked like it belonged with the other 17 on the
course.

Royal Liverpool (Hoylake): Royal Liverpool should have
shown better judgment and left well enough alone --
but instead it wiped away the distinctive playing
attributes of the once feared 7th and 17th holes at
Hoylake, the out of bounds hard left and right of each
respective green. Tom Simpson's love of the course was
based largely on his belief that out of bounds is the
truest test of a golfer's mettle, and his love of the
course would now, no doubt, be tempered.


Pinehurst : Sandy soil is the one common denominator
among 90 percent of the world's top 30 courses. In
addition to the courses at Pinehurst Country Club,
Ross took full advantage and built numerous engaging
courses on such soil -- like Pine Needles, Mid Pines
and Southern Pines. However, since Ross's death in
1949, architects have squandered the advantage,
building little that is special. An example is Fazio's
expensive makeover of Ross's No. 4 course at
Pinehurst, featuring countless small pits for bunkers
which the locals refer to as Fazio's tribute to Rees
Jones. How could course design have gone so awry,
given that a man with a team of mules and scrap pans
gave us a how -- to blueprint decades ago?

Pebble Beach: Of the 10 greatest courses in the world,
Pebble Beach in the 1930s also rivaled Royal Melbourne
West as the most handsomely bunkered. Today, Egan's
imaginative imitation sand dunes are long gone. The
course is left with obviously man-made, formalized
bunkers instead -- a very poor substitute, especially
with Cypress Point just down the road. And yet no one
seems to care. Equally bad is the way the 12th and
17th greens have been allowed to shrink to the point
where both of these one shotters on the back are now
hit and hope shots in any kind of wind. The new owners
should make a concerted effort to review the course as
it was in the 1930s, via aerials and other
photographic evidence, and bring back as many of
Egan's features as possible.

The Medalist: The best type of golf committee is a
committee of one, as clubs like Pine Valley, The Golf
Club and Oakmont have shown in past years. Initially,
Pete Dye gave founder Greg Norman a superb low profile
course with some of the best medium sized greens built
in modern times. In its scrubby natural state, with
its ground hugging features, it was a thing of true
beauty and in many ways as original as the more
heralded TPC Sawgrass. Unfortunately, many of the
original members were active golf professionals,
fixated with the card-and-pencil mentality. Ten years
later, after listening to whining about the course
being too tough, Norman has shifted his view of what
he wants it to be and his persistent tinkering has
watered down Dye's work. Whereas the 1st and 6th
greens were once glued to the ground, they are now
elevated four feet and blandly bunkered front left and
right a la the dark days of aerial golf design in the
1960s. The 8th green is now bulkheaded and would fit
in on countless other modern courses -- the original
beach bunkering was more imaginative and natural.
Worst of all are the changes to No. 18. What was once
a par-4 where the golfer hooded a 3-iron under the
wind to an immense, rolling home green tied into the
practice putting surface, now is a par-5 right out of
Myrtle Beach with huge mounds left and a silly water
feature right. It rivals No. 18 at Whistling Straits
as a horrible finishing hole. But Dye can at least
live with the fact that he is solely responsible for
the one at Whistling Straits.

The Stimpmeter: A countless number of some of the
wildest greens in the U.S. have been "softened" --
i.e. their character stripped away-in an effort to
accommodate speeds of 11 and higher on the Stimpmeter,
particularly in the northeast at neat designs like
Herbert Strong's work at Engineers Country Club on
Long Island. Rather than chase pace, why not encourage
character

RSLivingston_III

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 04:50:05 PM »
I would add Belvedere and Brook Hollow.
"You need to start with the hickories as I truly believe it is hard to get inside the mind of the great architects from days gone by if one doesn't have any sense of how the equipment played way back when!"  
       Our Fearless Leader

Jim Franklin

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 05:23:07 PM »
Congressional.
Mr Hurricane

Michael George

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 05:29:34 PM »

Would composite golf courses count?  Just feel that the architect routed 18 to be played in a certain way and don't understand composites other than to make them tougher.

"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones

Brad Isaacs

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 05:31:24 PM »
Is this happening at Bandon Dunes with the removal of the gorse?  (Kidd ourse)

K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 05:37:15 PM »
I would add Belvedere and Brook Hollow.

Brook Hollow is a perfect addition to that list.

Tim Bert

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 05:57:56 PM »
I would add Belvedere and Brook Hollow.
[/quote

Do you mind elaborating on Belvedere?  I only played it once in 2008 and found it to be a charming course. I mean to get back. Now as a one time play I have no context for what might have been before or what was done but I'm interested to hear about it. Thanks.

RSLivingston_III

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 05:58:24 PM »
I would add Belvedere and Brook Hollow.

Brook Hollow is a perfect addition to that list.

If I can find it I will post an early aerial so that people will understand. A quick description - the namesake brooks no longer run, and the spectacular bunkering was all filled and AT LEAST TWO TREES PLANTED in each former location
"You need to start with the hickories as I truly believe it is hard to get inside the mind of the great architects from days gone by if one doesn't have any sense of how the equipment played way back when!"  
       Our Fearless Leader

Terry Lavin

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 08:04:28 PM »
Is this happening at Bandon Dunes with the removal of the gorse?  (Kidd ourse)

No. It's appropriate.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

JC Jones

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 11:04:23 PM »
I would add Belvedere and Brook Hollow.
[/quote

Do you mind elaborating on Belvedere?  I only played it once in 2008 and found it to be a charming course. I mean to get back. Now as a one time play I have no context for what might have been before or what was done but I'm interested to hear about it. Thanks.

Belvedere is quite charming.  There is an aerial behind the counter, however, showing what the course used to be like.  Picture a few thousand fewer trees and much more sand.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2011, 01:26:04 AM »
Prince’s, , was used as a firing range in WW11

 “akin to throwing darts at a Rembrandt”, said Lord Brabazon.
2025 Craws Nest Tassie, Carnoustie.

JNC Lyon

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2011, 02:03:40 AM »
"Ranked No. 29 in the world in 1939."  BASED ON WHAT LIST?

I think the Fazio re-do at Oak Hill should be on this list.  I would pay a lot of money to be able to play the original configuration of 5, 6, 15, and 18.
"That's why Oscar can't see that!" - Philip E. "Timmy" Thomas

Jon Wiggett

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2011, 03:34:18 AM »
Wentworth west course!

Tom_Doak

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2011, 07:06:35 AM »
"Ranked No. 29 in the world in 1939."  BASED ON WHAT LIST?


Interesting pick-up, JNC.  I thought Ran had justified the spoof as something that just got out of control, but here he is referring to it as fact in an independent article.


Jon Wiggett:

I haven't seen Wentworth, and never liked the original course all that much.  But I still think yours is a great choice, since neither the owner nor the architect seemed to care at all about ripping up a high-profile venue and doing radical things to try and improve it.

Huntingdale, in Melbourne, is another example, although that course was never even as good as Wentworth.

Tom_Doak

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2011, 07:09:03 AM »
I would add Belvedere and Brook Hollow.
[/quote

Do you mind elaborating on Belvedere?  I only played it once in 2008 and found it to be a charming course. I mean to get back. Now as a one time play I have no context for what might have been before or what was done but I'm interested to hear about it. Thanks.

Belvedere is quite charming.  There is an aerial behind the counter, however, showing what the course used to be like.  Picture a few thousand fewer trees and much more sand.


JC and Ralph:

Perhaps Belvedere is an example of a great loss ... but to qualify as a "crime" doesn't there have to be someone responsible?  I've never heard that anyone at the club knows who changed all the bunkering around there ... they were as surprised to see what was on that old aerial as we were.

RDecker

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2011, 07:17:35 AM »
Do Donald Trump's waterfalls count?

Chris_Blakely

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2011, 07:39:59 AM »
I am shocked that Alison's course on Long Island, Timber Point that was butchered by William Mitchell to add 9 more holes did not make the list.

Chris

JC Jones

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2011, 07:58:28 AM »
Belvedere is quite charming.  There is an aerial behind the counter, however, showing what the course used to be like.  Picture a few thousand fewer trees and much more sand.

JC and Ralph:

Perhaps Belvedere is an example of a great loss ... but to qualify as a "crime" doesn't there have to be someone responsible?  I've never heard that anyone at the club knows who changed all the bunkering around there ... they were as surprised to see what was on that


The club history certainly discusses the addition of all the trees but it does not discuss the bunkering.  I'm not sure it matters who changed it but whether they have anyone on the greens committee serious enough about the course to want to change it.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2011, 08:02:15 AM by JC Jones »
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Mike Hendren

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2011, 09:52:19 AM »
The Eden.

What about the forestation of Pine Valley?
« Last Edit: November 18, 2011, 09:54:00 AM by Michael_Hendren »
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

ANTHONYPIOPPI

Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2011, 09:56:35 AM »
According to the piece, Yale was "Ranked No. 29 in the world in 1939." Who ranked courses in 1939?


Melvyn Morrow

Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2011, 10:28:59 AM »
Come on make a list, a real list. Here goes, I shall make a list of architectural crimes.

Crime One
Having chosen a site for its merit as a golf course then the 20th Century Architects strips bear the very essence of the land to undermine the whole course with drainage. Not satisfied with that the terraforming seems to be based upon Disneyland wet dream. The equivalent of a nasty assault and serious rape of the land.

Crime two
Choosing and building a course in an environment that will not sustain the game of golf. Thus forcing the weak of mind to insist upon carts and worst still cart tracks. The initial expense and on-going maintenance issues (be they self-financing sometime in the future) take away valuable time and consideration on general course maintenance. The first crime raped the land the second continues where the first one left off and rapes the game.

Crime Three
Excessive bunkers around and to the rear of the Greens. Bunkers are hazards and should catch the poor shot and/or overconfident player while forcing each player to plan the approaching Hole carefully.

Crime Four
Shallow bunkers with hard to firm sand. Totally pointless as actually an aid to a poor player or shot. Their deterrent value is zero thus becoming an expensive maintenance issue

Crime Five
Island Greens are and will always be a total waste of time to build and certainly maintain. There only goal is to pamper the self-confident while destroying the round of many an average player. It’s a pointless exercise in one upmanship that has not practical purpose in the game. If these players want this type of test, they should ask for more blind Holes, but then this is where we see the difference between a golfer and a player. Blind Holes require more of a golfer than an island Green, but are disliked by many a modern golfer – perhaps the standards are slipping?

Crime Six
Not using more of the Natural and Nature within the design. Allowing more of the undulating natural course to remain, working with the landscape with its older man made obstacles.

Crime Seven
Incorporating and planting Trees on the fairway or rough. This IMHO is an IED waiting to go off. As trees mature their extract large volumes of water from the area, resulting in course deterioration. Add to that their future branches may come into the line of play affecting the designers original design for that said Hole, as I say they are IED’s waiting to hurt both Golfer game and maintenance costs.

Crime Eight
Narrow fairways, surprised as generally regarded as good but if we are talking about the general golfer then the real lesson IMHO must be learnt from TOC. Those who know TOC and have played her many, many time will I am certain understand that wide is indeed beautiful while narrow is limiting.

Crime Nine
Golf courses by their very nature need to resemble more the Natural rather than a super manicured section of land. Basing that the game was originally played over rough land this notion of the super beautiful parkland is madness and represents nothing in Nature. The land should have some element of Natural and Nature, yes the fairways need cropped due to the size of the ball but not lawns that we would all be proud of having in our gardens.  It conveys the wrong image, it allows players to have an easy walk or ride in the country which golf has never been about, golf is closer to Orienteering, it grew up in the rough and ready wastelands.

Crime Ten
The modern habit of faking course to look older than they are is just plain wrong. The wrong message is being sent out from the start. The question many also ask what else is fake or contrived to con or fool the golfer. The game needs to be face on, that the land the golfer has to navigate over, there is no reason to fake anything, it’s just a distraction that costs money and will no doubt be reflected back within the Green Fees.  Faking is just not Golf or wanted anywhere within the design process.

Crimes, yes IMHO but I feel we need to look deeper into them to try and understand why we have resort to these levels while seeking to design a Golf Course. I am certain that a better understand could be achieved if some of the modern practices did not seem to be written in Stone these days. WE have forgotten much from the past which made the game better that it is today, why can’t we try to accommodate the best of both?

Melvyn      
 
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Mac Plumart

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2011, 11:02:25 AM »
Do these fit in anywhere...

Carts paths...lack of emphasis on the walking game...loss of caddies


Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Howard Riefs

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2011, 11:26:53 AM »
While hardly in line with Ran's examples...

-- Erin Hills, endless tinkering and bunker additions by the former owner
-- Cog Hill #4, attempt to be US Open-worthy
"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Terry Lavin

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2011, 11:31:02 AM »
I've never played Inverness in Toledo (my bad!), but I was wondering what familiar folks hereabouts feel about the re-do there...
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

JC Jones

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Re: 10 Great Architectural Crimes of the 20th Century
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2011, 12:39:07 PM »
Do these fit in anywhere...

Carts paths...lack of emphasis on the walking game...loss of caddies




As the hopeful winner of the Club Car Riding Golfer of the Year award let me answer:

Yes, no and no, respectively. 

The problem with caddies these days is they used to be kids (I grew up caddying) that you'd pay $20-$30 a round to carry ONE bag.  These days it is a pro-jock that costs $80-100 per bag and he double-bags, which adds 45mins to your round.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.