Another 27 holes at Bandon?

[Howard Riefs]

Matty G has the latest on Mike Keiser's plans to build another 27 holes at Bandon.

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-courses/blogs/wheres-matty-g/2011/07/if-there-are-another-27-holes.html

If Keiser gets the land and the appropriate permits, he says he’d hire Gil Hanse to build 27 holes on the land that's 4 miles south of Bandon and would be connected to the resort.

Solid selection of Hanse if it comes to fruition.

Thoughts? If not Hanse, what architect would you select for the project?

[Phil McDade]

Keith Foster; he's done some good minimalist work at Shepherd's Crook north of Chicago.

[PCCraig]

Gil Hanse is as good of a pick as anyone. Maybe Jim Urbana?

Phil, Kieth Foster is an interesting nomination. He is certainly qualified...has he ever had a great piece of land to work on yet?

[Randy Thompson]

Would it be a mistake to cotract one of the architects that has already done a course there. Are they not being considered, if so, why not?

[David Kelly]

Leaving out the architects who have already contributed courses at Bandon (including UrbIna) I would say that Hanse is a great choice and I really hope this project comes to fruition.

[Sam Morrow]

I would like to see him go outside the box and call my friend Mr. Nuzzo.

[George Freeman]

I'd definitely throw Mike DeVries in the bunch!

[Tom_Doak]

Every time Mr. Keiser thinks of building another course, there is a pointless thread here where people throw out names of their own favorite designers as potential candidates.

It's pointless because these threads have nothing to do with the decision.  The choice of an architect has already been made; the only question is whether the project will happen or not.  I have no idea of the odds on that part.

[Howard Riefs]

Every time Mr. Keiser thinks of building another course, there is a pointless thread here where people throw out names of their own favorite designers as potential candidates.

It's pointless because these threads have nothing to do with the decision.  The choice of an architect has already been made; the only question is whether the project will happen or not.  I have no idea of the odds on that part.

Guilty as charged for starting the thread. But I trust that none of us have illusions that this thread will drive any decisions but is rather an opportunity to say "what if..."

[George Freeman]

After I read the article it was apparent that the decision has already been solidified.

Hanse seems to be a logical, and great, choice for more golf at Bandon.  

Just when you thought it couldn't get any better out there.  Hopefully they can convince the municipality/state that this is a good idea.

Is anyone familiar with the land in question for these 27 holes?  Is it as good as the land up at the main resort?

[Anthony Gray]

  Hanse on the Oregon coast would be icing on the cake. I like how his work at Castle Stuart was mentioned.

  Anthony

[Garland Bayley]

Kelly Blake Moran 

Every time Mr. Keiser thinks of building another course, there is a pointless thread here where people throw out names of their own favorite designers as potential candidates.

It's pointless because these threads have nothing to do with the decision.  The choice of an architect has already been made; the only question is whether the project will happen or not.  I have no idea of the odds on that part.

Tom,

I thought you understood the butt boy concept. 

[Phil McDade]

Gil Hanse is as good of a pick as anyone. Maybe Jim Urbana?

Phil, Kieth Foster is an interesting nomination. He is certainly qualified...has he ever had a great piece of land to work on yet?

Pat:

Several folks on the board have played the Harvester in Des Moines and speak highly of it; I haven't played or seen it, but it's probably on traditional rolling Midwestern land. The Quarry down in San Antonia is a funky piece of land, because part of the course winds around -- and in and our of -- an old quarry, which makes for some interesting holes, but great site? Hard to say.

Here's his list of original work:

http://www.keithfostergolfarchitect.com/original

His list of renovations and future work is a pretty impressive collection of classic old courses.

[Joe Bentham]

I was at the meeting to day....a lot of hot air but they'll get it done IMO.  It just might take a while.  See my whole thoughts here:
http://wp.me/pVda6-d3

[Emile Bonfiglio]

Great stuff Joe, thanks for sharing! I really enjoyed your play by play tweets!

[William_G]

thanks Joe!

[William_G]

Matty G has the latest on Mike Keiser's plans to build another 27 holes at Bandon.

Howard,

FYI, the 27 holes are actually not @ Bandon, but south of the Bandon Resort by about 10 miles.

Thanks

[William_G]

check this thread, thanks

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,48925.0.html

[Mac Plumart]

If not Hanse, what architect would you select for the project?

Mike Riley.

Y'all probably have no idea who he is, but I GUARANTEE this...if he gets his shot at the big time, he will succeed BIG TIME!!!

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

I hope Gil does a good job more in line with his better projects. His work at MPCC Shore was horrible and frankly he needs a few good jobs for me to forget this work.

[Emile Bonfiglio]

Here is the follow up story from Matty G and Gil breaks his silence on the role of designer...

Gil Hanse, on deck at Bandon Dunes
THURSDAY, JULY 21, 2011

A week ago I received a tip, via a tweet (thank you @LuxHomeMagPDX), about an article that appeared in a Bandon-based newspaper. The gist of the article: Bandon's owner, Mike Keiser, is ramping up efforts to get the land he wants to build another 27 holes. Bandon Muni will cater to locals and state residents with reduced green fees.

After some socially-charged speculation about who might be the architect, I called Keiser, who gave me Gil Hanse. Thus, this blog item, which appeared last Thursday, and now the following story, which appeared in this week's issue of Golf World and includes a subsequent conversation with Hanse: 

In a battle of what’s bigger news -- another 27 holes at Bandon Dunes versus Gil Hanse as the architect -- doesn’t a tie go to the avid golfer?

This week Bandon Dunes officials were scheduled to appear before the Oregon Parks and Recreation Commission and update it on the details of a proposed land swap and plans for what’s being called Bandon Muni.

Although the resort is scheduled to open another 13-hole short course in June 2012 (bringing the number of holes at the resort to 85), owner Mike Keiser’s master plan always included an additional 27 holes, which would cater to locals and state residents. Keiser says the green-fee structure would be similar to the one they use at St. Andrews in Scotland: roughly $25 to $35 for residents of Coos County and Curry County; $45 to $55 for state residents, and the standard resort price for everyone else, which can be as much as $275 during peak season. Nine holes would always be reserved for the locals, and that nine would rotate daily. 

Although it’s not a done deal -- the commission could table a vote on the land swap for months, or years -- Keiser says the property he is offering is worth more than what he’d be getting in exchange, roughly 300 acres of gorse-choked land four miles south of Bandon Trails.

Reached by phone last week and asked about the project Keiser said Hanse is his man for the course. “I like to work with a different designer each time, and it’s Gil’s time,” said Keiser, who met Hanse when the two played Applebrook GC in 2002, a Hanse design and his home course in Malvern, Pa. Keiser also admired Hanse’s work at Boston GC and Castle Stuart, which recently hosted the Barclays Scottish Open and received rave reviews from both tour players and drooling spectators. “Mike called me right after he played Castle Stuart for the first time,” said Ron Whitten, Golf Digest’s architecture editor. “That was over a year ago, and he loved it.”


Hanse (pictured) is now free to admit he has been talking to Keiser about this project for more than five years, and even confessed to a handshake agreement at one point. “It has been the hardest secret to keep,” said Hanse. “I know a lot of people will be watching, but we’re not intimidated. We’re prepared for what will be the most significant thing we’ve done so far.”

Hanse and Jim Wagner, his design partner, have been to Bandon Dunes several times and already have a preliminary routing. Keiser’s only directive: He wants three nines that are playable, fun and of equal quality. 

If and when this deal goes through, Hanse will be joining David McLay Kidd, Tom Doak, Jim Urbina, Ben Crenshaw and Bill Coore on what’s becoming a Monument Park of popular modern architects. “You have to understand, I have so much respect for guys like Tom, Bill and Ben,” said Hanse, “and to build a course on a similar piece of property, in the same environment and with the same natural advantages, we’re excited.”

--Matty G.

[Jim Colton]

As mentioned in the Putting course thread, here's a look at the land for the Hanse course. Looks pretty spectacular assuming they are able to get that additional coastline.

http://www.oregoncoastalliance.org/documents_11/Bandon_Dunes-OPRD_Exchange.pdf

Here's the rough outline that I came up with based on the document:

[Stephen Davis]

Thanks for posting this Jim. It is news like this that makes me wonder why I ever moved from Oregon

[Steve Lang]

Jim,

If that's the property, they could easily build 27 and have room for another architect's 27 ...

I feel sorry for the Bandon Crossing folks... to the east, across the coast road there, its a nice relief from the "resort"

[Jim Colton]

Thanks for posting this Jim. It is news like this that makes me wonder why I ever moved from Oregon

Steven,

  This might be enough reason to move back:

Oregonian Golf- The St. Andrews Model: 

One of the primary objectives of the proposed Bandon Biota golf course is to make top quality,
affordable golf available to all Oregonians. In Scotland, many of the famous golf courses have
systems designed to take advantage of the "retail" (tourist) participation during high seasons,
while at the same time facilitating play by locals on the same premier courses for a fraction of
the cost. We refer to this as the "St Andrews" model.

As applied to the new course, the model would work something like this: "Retail" golfers that
are currently coming to Bandon Dunes will pay rates equivalent to those being charged at the
time. (Currently $200-250 per round). During the prime tourist season from May 1-Oct 31, these
golfers will be given preferential tee times. Unfilled tee times will be made available daily to
those holding an Oregon drivers license at deeply discounted rates, estimated to be as little as
$25 per round. Course time will be available to school age children, and juniors without charge.
The 27 hole design allows a greatly expanded number of tee times, with retail customers starting
on #1 tee and locals teeing off on #19. At normal pace of play, there will be little or no overlap.
The system will insure ample golf opportunities for Oregonians all year round. In the off season,
the vast majority of tee times will be available on a first come first served basis, with only
minimal retail play.

Additionally, it is contemplated that annual golf passes for unlimited golf can be offered to
Oregonians for as little as $500/year. The motivation and commitment of the owner is to make
world class golf a reality for those who would not otherwise be able to afford it, as it is at St.
Andrews, Scotland, where golf has been an integral part of the local culture for centuries.