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Andy Hodson

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2011, 02:26:49 PM »
For those who listed Kiawah TOC...the Ryder Cup was played there in 1991, four years before 1995  ;)
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George Pazin

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2011, 02:44:26 PM »
Did a lot of thinking last night, came up with the following, from my list of courses built post '95 I've played:

1) Rawls Course - Texas Tech - Tom Doak









2) Black Mesa - Baxter Spann





3) Twisted Dune - Archie Struthers

4) Inniscrone - Gil Hanse








5) Pete Dye GC - Pete Dye - don't know if this makes it in under the wire for 95.
6) Tobacco Rd - Mike Strantz


7) Mystic Rock - Pete Dye - I think this one makes it, time-wise anyway














8 ) Birdsfoot - ???



Can't think of any others I've played, I was really hoping I could round out a top 10. When was Paa-Ko built? I don't know if Pensacola CC's redo following the hurricane counts, but if it does, it slides into #2 and bumps the others down.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2011, 03:06:26 PM by George Pazin »
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Eric Smith

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2011, 02:46:45 PM »
confused. think I got it straight now. new post ahead.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2011, 12:18:08 PM by Eric Smith »
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Howard Riefs

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2011, 02:47:07 PM »
Quote from: Chris Johnston on July 14, 2011, 02:10:54 PM
Dismal River I ***
Dismal River II ***

Tom, no pressure.
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2011, 02:54:51 PM »
Sand Hills, Pacific Dunes, Friars Head, Sebonack, Chambers Bay, Bandon Trails, Old Ma, Whistling Strait, Wolf Point and Cuscowilla will stand the test of time.  I am not sure about redo like MPCC Shore. It is a new course but I do not think it belongs in that group.
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Chris Johnston

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2011, 03:06:06 PM »
Quote from: Howard Riefs on July 14, 2011, 02:47:07 PM
Quote from: Chris Johnston on July 14, 2011, 02:10:54 PM
Dismal River I ***
Dismal River II ***

Tom, no pressure.

Howard, I began DR.V2.0 with four stars!  Tom and I are the only people who have played it.
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Anthony Gray

Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - A More Scientific Way
« Reply #56 on: July 14, 2011, 03:14:44 PM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on July 14, 2011, 01:18:17 PM
Old MacDonald ***

Chambers Bay **
Bandon Trails **

Wine Valley *
Pacific Dunes *
Sagebrush *
Juniper *
Tetherow *

Palouse Ridge 0
Others 0




  Chambers Bay a ** and Pacific Dunes a *. Explain this.

  Anthony

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George Freeman

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #57 on: July 14, 2011, 03:17:36 PM »
***
Pacific Dunes
Kingsley Club

**
Bandon Trails

*
Greywalls
Kiawah - Ocean Course
Diamante
Erin Hills
Black Sheep
Bandon Dunes
Arcadia Bluffs

0s (the ones that were at least in the discussion)
Lost Dunes
Forest Dunes
Barona Creek
Kiawah - Cassique
Chicago Highlands

A couple of the *s were close to getting a ** vote, but missed out due to the competition I haven't played.  Very hard exercise if you closely follow Tom's parameters.

Courses I haven't played but which I believe would contest for the top 10:

Ballyneal
Barnbougle Dunes
Castle Stuart
Chambers Bay
Friar's Head
Kingsbarns
Old Macdonald
Old Sandwich
Rock Creek
Sand Hills
Lost Farm
Sebonack
St. Andrews Beach
Wolf Point
Prairie Club - Dunes
Cape Kidnappers
Dormie Club
Boston Golf Club
Sagebrush
« Last Edit: July 14, 2011, 03:19:41 PM by George Freeman »
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Matt Bosela

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2011, 03:19:03 PM »
Here's how I'd rank the courses I've played (alphabetical by * rating), with only one addition to the current ballot:

***
Ballyneal
Pacific Dunes
Sand Hills

**
Old Macdonald
Sagebrush (adding to ballot)

*
Bandon Dunes
Bandon Trails
Sebonack

I've played close to 50 courses that were built after 1995 but I don't think anyone would give the ones not listed a rating of ** or better so I've omitted the rest.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - A More Scientific Way
« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2011, 03:23:09 PM »
Quote from: Anthony Gray on July 14, 2011, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: Garland Bayley on July 14, 2011, 01:18:17 PM
Old MacDonald ***

Chambers Bay **
Bandon Trails **

Wine Valley *
Pacific Dunes *
Sagebrush *
Juniper *
Tetherow *

Palouse Ridge 0
Others 0




  Chambers Bay a ** and Pacific Dunes a *. Explain this.

  Anthony



Chambers Bay is more enjoyable for a high handicapper like me. Less *** pucker on the tee, for example. I lost 5 balls at Pacific. I don't remember losing a ball at Chambers.
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Anthony Gray

Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - A More Scientific Way
« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2011, 03:50:33 PM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on July 14, 2011, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: Anthony Gray on July 14, 2011, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: Garland Bayley on July 14, 2011, 01:18:17 PM
Old MacDonald ***

Chambers Bay **
Bandon Trails **

Wine Valley *
Pacific Dunes *
Sagebrush *
Juniper *
Tetherow *

Palouse Ridge 0
Others 0




  Chambers Bay a ** and Pacific Dunes a *. Explain this.

  Anthony



Chambers Bay is more enjoyable for a high handicapper like me. Less *** pucker on the tee, for example. I lost 5 balls at Pacific. I don't remember losing a ball at Chambers.

 I see. The lost ball criteria that I employ myself. Wine Valley looks a little low too.

  Anthony

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Kyle Henderson

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2011, 04:11:34 PM »
***
Ballyneal
Sand Hills
 
**
Barnbougle Dunes                                                                          
Pacific Dunes

*
Bandon Dunes
Bandon Trails
Castle Stuart                                                                                      
Clear Creek Tahoe
Friar’s Head
Lost Farm                                                                                          
St. Andrews Beach – Gunnamatta                                            
Stone Eagle    


0
Black Mesa
Colorado Golf Club
Darkhorse    
Dismal River                                                                                      
Kingsbarn                                                                                          
Lakota Canyon Ranch  
Mayacama                                                                
MPCC - Shore
Rustic  Canyon
St. Andrews - The Castle Course                                  
The National – Moonah                                                                
Tobacco Road                                                                                  
Tot Hill Farm                                                                                  
TPC SF @ Stonebrae
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John Shimp

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2011, 04:13:00 PM »
***  none played yet

**    Friar's Head

*      Rustic Canyon
        Chechessee Creek (love this place)
        Colorado Golf Club
        Dormie (maybe **) but need to play again
        Laurel Links
        Diamond Creek

0*    Ballyhack  
        Mountaintop
        Brights Creek
        Tobacco Rd
        Bulls Bay
        Vaquero    
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2011, 04:26:49 PM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on July 14, 2011, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: Pete_Pittock on July 14, 2011, 01:44:37 PM
***

**
...
Sagebrush

*
...
Old Macdonald
...

Good courses played but not there
...

Homer!  ;D

Yes, I have playing privileges at Sagebrush. But there are very few indifferent shots to be had, it makes maximum use of the terrain and
is an extremely fun cart-ball course where a walker/carrier has gone 36. The only drawback is the dresscode at the Hideaway :-*
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David_Elvins

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2011, 05:56:24 PM »
***
barny dunes

**
pacific dunes

*
Lost farm
Bandon trails
Old McDonald
National moonah
st Andrews beach
Rustic canyon

0
stone Eagle
Hidden creek
Mpcc shore
Bandon dunes
Tobacco road
Everything else in Australia

« Last Edit: July 14, 2011, 07:03:43 PM by David_Elvins »
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2011, 06:27:36 PM »
When it comes to adding stars to a conversation, I am reminded of a good friend of mine who answered an invitation from Michelin for his reataurant to be graded by them.

His reponse was as follows:

"Dear Bob,

Nothing new.

In the 80 I wrote a letter to Michelin saying I do not want any stars and I do not want to be in the Guide in Paris or in London. I explained that I do not want my food to be judged by a tyre manufacturer?!?"

He plays at CPC, Morfontaine, The Lido in Venice and Sunningdale. I think a couple of those would have stars.

Bob
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erichunter

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2011, 06:46:23 PM »
*
Dunes Club (Michigan) - * I found conflicting information, they may have opened in '90 not '95.
Austin Golf Club

0
Spanish Oaks
Sage Valley
Tobacco Road
Forest Creek (South)
Whistling Straits
Old Head
Pine Dunes
Doonbeg
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Tom_Doak

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2011, 07:27:01 PM »
added to list:  Diamante, Sagebrush, Victoria National
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Scott Warren

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2011, 07:32:51 PM »
Tom,

If Cal Club is going to be on the ballot, then Mike Clayton's firm's redesign of The Lakes in Sydney should be on there as well.

Of course including redesigns is maybe not the best idea.
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Chip Gaskins

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #69 on: July 14, 2011, 08:44:27 PM »
***
Ballyneal
Sand Hills


**
Pacific Dunes
Bandon Trails
Dormie Club
Hidden Creek


*
Cabo Del Sol
Mayacama
Tobacco Road
Friars Head
Sebonack
Rustic Canyon
World Woods - Pine Barrens
Kingsley Club
RTJ
Colorado Golf
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Charlie Visconsi

Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #70 on: July 14, 2011, 10:27:08 PM »
Sorry more than ten but added one or two new ones

***
Kingsley -- My eight year old was able to play it with me last week and both have fun
Pac Dunes

**
Bayonne
MPCC
Chechesee
Ridge at Back Brook (New)
Straits

*
B Dunes
Erin Hills
Hidden Creek
Sand Ridge (new)
Stone Eagle
Preserve
May River

0
Arcadia
B Trails

-1*
Wolf Creek

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Ash Towe

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #71 on: July 14, 2011, 10:39:21 PM »
Of the ones I have played-

Sand Hills ***
Ballyneal ***
Pacific Dunes ***

Cape Kidnappers **
Barnbougle **

Kingsbarns *.5
Bandon Trails*.5

Bandon Dunes *
National ( Moonah )*
Kauri Cliffs *

Kinloch (NZ ) .5

Wild Horse
The Bridge

Jacks Point
Clearwater

Brookwater

Natandola Bay ( Fiji )

Moonah Open
Moonah Legends
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Jeremy Aisenberg

Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #72 on: July 15, 2011, 11:06:40 AM »
Below is the  list of those from the nomination list that i have played with the additional nomination of Ballyhack.

Pacific Dunes ***
Sand Hills ***
Cape Kidnappers ***

Ballyhack**
Ballyneal **

Kauri Cliffs *
Kinloch *
Bandon Dunes *
Bandon Trails *
Monterey Peninsula (Shore) *
Sebonack *
Dormie Club *

Bayonne
Colorado Golf Club

While in my previous thread I listed Ballyhack and Cape Kidnappers as tied in a numerical ranking of MY PERSONAL modern to 10 since 1995 of those courses i have played, i concede that Cape Kidnappers combination of site and design make it a definitive top 10 modern in the world (in my opinion) whereas i concede that others on the nomination list that others rave about may potentially find a higher place on my list...
« Last Edit: July 15, 2011, 11:22:19 AM by Jeremy Aisenberg »
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #73 on: July 15, 2011, 12:02:54 PM »
I feel like I am missing something.  Everyone keeps posting 3*, 2*, etc but I thought we were first compiling a list of eligible candidates for a top 10 modern list (see post 32).  If a course you would have as a 3* or 2* is already on the list, then no need to post.  If it's not on the list, then post it to be added to the list.
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Jason Topp

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Re: The Top Ten Courses Since 1995 - Taking Nominations
« Reply #74 on: July 15, 2011, 12:12:04 PM »
***
Pacific Dunes
Kingsley
Black Mesa

**
Giants Ridge Quarry
Apache Stronghold (my favorite course but obviously is a zero today)
Bandon Trails

*
Deacons Lodge
Classic at Maddens
Windsong Farms
Big Fish
Estancia
Southern Dunes (AZ)
We Ko Pa Saguaro
We Ko Pa (Cholla)
Rustic Canyon
Stone Eagle
WW Pine Barrens
The Harvester
Tobacco Road
Sutton Bay

0 (I would eagerly play nearly all of my zeros but like the others on the list better)

Bearpath
Chaska Town Course
Dacotah Ridge
Giant's Ridge - Legends
Legends (MN and IA)
Rush Creek
Spring Hill
The Wilds
Troy Burne
Canoa Ranch
Desert Mountain Chiracaua
Estrella GC
Vistal
Whilwind Devils Claw
PGA West - Norman
The Plantation (CA & FL)
The Palms
Primm Valley (Lakes)
San Juan Oaks
Silver Rock
Terra Lago (one of the two - can't remember which one)
The Reserve
River Hall
Verandah - Old Orange
Eagle Ridge - General
Arcadia
Tot Hill Farms
Sandia
Twin Warriers
Paiute - Wolf
Wolf Creek
Barton Creek - Fazio Canyons
GC of Texas
The Bandit


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