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George Pazin

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2011, 12:52:21 PM »
Thanks for the thoughts, Joe. If you have time, it might be interesting to compare how many Bandon loopers saw their man get through the qualifying rounds versus those who carried or had a friend do so.
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Michael Dugger

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2011, 12:57:37 PM »
I love Mike Keiser.  He called the pros "petulant."

Fabulous  :o
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Doug Wright

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2011, 05:59:45 PM »
Looks like Joe's man had a tough round @ OM today:

 http://www.usga.org/ChampEventScore.aspx?id=17179869204&year=2011&type=card153
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JLahrman

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2011, 06:02:56 PM »
Quote from: Doug Wright on June 28, 2011, 05:59:45 PM
Looks like Joe's man had a tough round @ OM today:

 http://www.usga.org/ChampEventScore.aspx?id=17179869204&year=2011&type=card153

Doubles on the par-5 6th and 17th were the killers.
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Ted Cahill

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2011, 06:07:18 PM »
Joe gave me wonderful club selection at OM a couple of weeks ago- he really knows how to navigate 14- plus kept me out of the fairway bunkers on 10- a first!- maybe his man was stubborn.  J- how did the outing at Monarch Bay turn out?
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“Bandon Dunes is like Chamonix for skiers or the
North Shore of Oahu for surfers,” Rogers said. “It is
where those who really care end up.”

Joe Bentham

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2011, 09:29:37 PM »
George--
Good question.  I keep an eye out for that.  I do know that 2nd and 3rd place currently in the Men's qualifying are being carried by Bandon Loopers.  My brother has Max Marsico's bag and they are in thrid place at 144.

Doubling two par 5's in a round and still having a chance at a playoff for match play isn't terrible.  It is just a little heart wrenching when you think where two pars on those holes would have gotten us.  Safely inside the cut line.  Heading back out there right now to wait and see.....
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2011, 09:58:35 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bentham on June 28, 2011, 09:29:37 PM
George--
Good question.  I keep an eye out for that.  I do know that 2nd and 3rd place currently in the Men's qualifying are being carried by Bandon Loopers.  My brother has Max Marsico's bag and they are in thrid place at 144.

Doubling two par 5's in a round and still having a chance at a playoff for match play isn't terrible.  It is just a little heart wrenching when you think where two pars on those holes would have gotten us.  Safely inside the cut line.  Heading back out there right now to wait and see.....

Joe, how does a scratch player make 7 on #17 at OM?   Please describe this dog's porridge.   
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Tony_Chapman

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2011, 10:07:28 PM »
Been interesting to follow this scoring. They might have a good chance at not even having a playoff. Exactly 64 guys at 151 has been that way for awhile. Looking at the 15 or so players left on the course and it doesn't look like it has much chance to change. At best, a 6-for-1 playoff at 152 it looks like.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2011, 10:11:17 PM »
Two interesting points from the men:

1. Right now, exactly 64 dudes are at +10 or better, negating the need for a playoff...what would the odds be for that?

2. Two dudes went 82-68 to qualify, again proving the statement attributed to Churchill, golf lover he, to "never, never, never, never, never give up."
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William_G

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2011, 10:22:03 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on June 28, 2011, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: Joe Bentham on June 28, 2011, 09:29:37 PM
George--
Good question.  I keep an eye out for that.  I do know that 2nd and 3rd place currently in the Men's qualifying are being carried by Bandon Loopers.  My brother has Max Marsico's bag and they are in thrid place at 144.

Doubling two par 5's in a round and still having a chance at a playoff for match play isn't terrible.  It is just a little heart wrenching when you think where two pars on those holes would have gotten us.  Safely inside the cut line.  Heading back out there right now to wait and see.....

Joe, how does a scratch player make 7 on #17 at OM?   Please describe this dog's porridge.   

Sorry to kibitz, but a lost ball left would help.
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Tony_Chapman

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2011, 10:43:48 PM »
Looks like a 6-for-3 playoff at 152 on the men's side. On the women's side it's a 9-for-3 playoff at 159. Some girl named Cheyenne Woods was the medalist at 1-under.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2011, 10:44:22 PM »
6 for 2 on the guys side, correct on the ladies side
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Joe Bentham

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2011, 03:46:59 AM »
Bill--
The trouble started with the tee shot.  From the tee the ball needed to be played at the very left edge of the fairway.  He started it at the middle of the golf hole trying to turn it over a bit and it didn't turn leaving him in what amounts to a green side bunker with little hope of advancing it 50 yards which he accomplished.  Thinking he had to stuff it to stay alive he overcooked his 3rd shot into an unplayable lie left of the green and failed to get it up and down.
The double on 6 is the one that will forever haunt me.  10 yards short of the green in 2, we 5 putted.  Hit the first one through the green and then failed to get the second putt up the false front from behind the back right pin location.  The buried elephant called "Mike's shield" responsible for this misery might replace the hump on the right side of #15 at Pacific Dunes as my favorite (or least favorite, I'm not sure which it is) green side hazard on the resort.
I have to move on though, I've been reassigned a bag for the match play.  Will be starting at 10:50 tomorrow at Trails.  Follow the action at pacduneslooper.com if your interested.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2011, 07:34:17 AM »
Joe:

How did that mound in the back of #6 green get the name "Mike's Shield" ?  I don't remember that from construction, anyway.
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Mike Benham

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2011, 10:56:14 AM »
Quote from: Joe Bentham on June 29, 2011, 03:46:59 AM

... we 5 putted ...
 


Doesn't really deserve a comment ...
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2011, 10:59:04 AM »
Mike Dugger touched on this...here is a longer quote from M. Keiser:

"And that’s why I like amateur events. I didn’t build this for the pros. Now some have come here. Even though they are moderately short by modern standards, the wind is a great equalizer. These golf courses would stand the test of the pros. But I didn’t build them for them because they are a petulant group. I built them for 25 million amateurs and amateur tournaments. These people are the best of us. So they are my target."
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Joe Bentham

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2011, 11:05:26 AM »
Tom

I was trying to describe the hump at the front right of 6 green. It has been labeled "Mike's Shield" in the caddie yardage book since it came out.  Whatever it is called, it is an awesome Green side hazard for a par 5. Especially when 6 plays downwind like it did yesterday. Just wish we could've hit our line on our second shot.  We would've been on the left side of the hole with an angle.
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George_Bahto

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2011, 01:11:59 PM »
Mike - In your opinion, have the players adapted more to a ground game or semi ground game as opposed to their typical aerial game on Old Macdonald?

It will be interesting to see how that develops as the week goes on.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2011, 01:42:28 PM »
How about some "positive" results for a Woods.

It would appear his neice is sitting pretty after 1st two rounds...

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=ap-womensuspublinks
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Greg Tallman

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2011, 02:15:18 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on June 29, 2011, 01:42:28 PM
How about some "positive" results for a Woods.

It would appear his neice is sitting pretty after 1st two rounds...

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=ap-womensuspublinks

Funny, I did not think the next time I saw reference to Tiger's "neice" it would golf related.
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Tom Yost

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2011, 03:15:29 PM »
What can be attributed to the seemingly high scores for the medal rounds?

A lot of discussion (on other golf forums) about the recent US Open at Congressional and what "needs" to be done to "protect par" for such championships.  The same old suggestions keep getting rehashed, like super narrow fairways and super penal rough, more hazards, more trees, water and more water, etc.  All the things that we "the enlightened," seem to frown upon.

So what about Bandon made it so tough for these top AMs?  Was it mostly the weather/wind?  Length?  Unfamiliarity with links golf and the types of shots that are needed to be successful?

Does this demonstrate that it is possible to have a course that is both playable and fun for the golfer of average skill yet still able to test the expert ? 
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William_G

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2011, 03:58:02 PM »
Quote from: Tom Yost on June 29, 2011, 03:15:29 PM
What can be attributed to the seemingly high scores for the medal rounds?

A lot of discussion (on other golf forums) about the recent US Open at Congressional and what "needs" to be done to "protect par" for such championships.  The same old suggestions keep getting rehashed, like super narrow fairways and super penal rough, more hazards, more trees, water and more water, etc.  All the things that we "the enlightened," seem to frown upon.

So what about Bandon made it so tough for these top AMs?  Was it mostly the weather/wind?  Length?  Unfamiliarity with links golf and the types of shots that are needed to be successful?

Does this demonstrate that it is possible to have a course that is both playable and fun for the golfer of average skill yet still able to test the expert ? 


Gotta be the wind and dry/fast conditions...it's all ground game
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Jim Nugent

Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2011, 05:24:39 PM »
Quote from: Tom Yost on June 29, 2011, 03:15:29 PM

So what about Bandon made it so tough for these top AMs?  Was it mostly the weather/wind?  Length?  Unfamiliarity with links golf and the types of shots that are needed to be successful?


I have a couple of questions as well.  What is the course rating for Old Mac from the back/back tees? 

Also, how good in reality is the field at the publinx? 
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2011, 07:46:20 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bentham on June 29, 2011, 11:05:26 AM
Tom

I was trying to describe the hump at the front right of 6 green. It has been labeled "Mike's Shield" in the caddie yardage book since it came out.  Whatever it is called, it is an awesome Green side hazard for a par 5. Especially when 6 plays downwind like it did yesterday. Just wish we could've hit our line on our second shot.  We would've been on the left side of the hole with an angle.


Joe:

I thought you were talking about the knobby contour on the back right-center of #6 green, which is Jim Urbina's creation, I think.  [It was already there when I got there.]  The raised front right hump was actually my addition to the green.  It's not as severe as the one on the 14th green at St. Andrews -- the model for the Long hole -- but the whole point was to get people to play left unless they got all the way to the green.  So it sounds like it's working as intended.


Jim N:  The course rating for Old Mac is 73 point something from the yardage they're playing.  But it's all about the conditions ... several guys broke par in the more benign conditions late Tuesday and early Wednesday.  If there had been 144 Tour pros in the field, somebody would have shot 62 or 63, if not lower.  But, it's not dead calm very often there!
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Cliff Hamm

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Re: Public Links at Bandon Dunes
« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2011, 08:12:37 PM »
Is Cheyenne Woods truly a pub links golfer?
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