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Tim Nugent

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2011, 01:05:45 PM »
I snuck in the back door when no one was looking ;D
Coasting is a downhill process

Kalen Braley

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2011, 02:10:04 PM »
Bogey,

When I was in 7th grade, I was building clay models of golf holes.

And, mowing Dad's lawn with square tees, doglegs and greens, at least until he started yelling.

Yelling because your tee boxes were square instead of circular I presume!  ;)

Tom_Doak

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #77 on: May 02, 2011, 03:45:12 PM »
Tim:

You left Ian Andrew off the list of ASGCA members.  But at least you got my status correct!

Trey Kemp

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« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2011, 05:53:40 PM »
You can add me to the list if you would like:

Trey Kemp - Colligan Golf Design, Arlington, Texas
twitter.com/TreyKempGCA

paul cowley

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« Reply #79 on: May 02, 2011, 06:08:39 PM »
Tim:

You left Ian Andrew off the list of ASGCA members.  But at least you got my status correct!

Add Forrest Richardson's ASGCA status as well.

Tom...just wanted you to know that you are eligible for an upgrade!
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

Garland Bayley

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #80 on: May 02, 2011, 06:17:27 PM »

Tom Lehman?

Tom is listed in the membership rolls as a newbie with 10 posts.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2011, 06:18:27 PM »
I am not sure I understand the purpose of this thread.  I appreciate when designers participate just as I do when shapers, owners, developers, etc. participate, but I don't understand the point of such lists.  I assure you they all know who they are, and some of them may not want to bring attention to themselves in the form of a list.  If they do, then they can put it in their signature or otherwise bring it up when they post.    Plus, there is a big difference between those who actually participate and those who just show up here to shill for their latest project then disappear.  And some on the list who used to participate haven't posted in years!

But perhaps I don't understand?   What is the point of this list, if any?
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Another question,

When an architect passes away, is it proper to list him as "NLE?"   That'd be great on a tombstone.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, David, I believe it's called networking.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

DMoriarty

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2011, 07:52:28 PM »
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, David, I believe it's called networking.

I don't like networking and never could get the hang of treating this place like a big cocktail party, so I guess that explains why I didn't understand the purpose. My bad.
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David Elvins,

What a great idea!  Your post may have changed my mind about the purpose and value of this thread.  Let's have a 64 person tournament of cga.com golf course architects.   And the winner ought to get a birth into a tournament of the 64 greatest living architects.   And the winner of that ought to get a birth into the a tournament of the 64 greatest golf architects of all time. 

So who wants to come up with the seeding?  I would love to, but I am not keyed into the industry and so, with no offense intended, I don't know the first thing about most of these guys. 
Golf history can be quite interesting if you just let your favorite legends go and allow the truth to take you where it will.
--Tom MacWood (1958-2012)

Randy Thompson

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« Reply #83 on: May 02, 2011, 10:16:24 PM »
Filled in some of the blanks.  Also thought it might be of interest as to where everyone calls home and also which were fellow members (and associate members although I didn't distinguish) in the much maligined ASGCA.

Ian Andrew - Ian Andrew Golf Design Inc, Canada.
Kevin Atkinson - Phelps- Atkinson Golf Design. Colorado, USA, ASGCA
Jay Blasi - Robert Trent Jones II Golf Course Architects,ASGCA
Kurt Bowman
Jeff Brauer - Jeff Brauer, Golfscapes, TX, USA. ASGCA
Mark Brown (RIP)
Richard Chamberlain - Richard Chamberlain Golf Design
Mike Clayton - Ogilvy Clayton Golf Design, Australia.
Chris Cochran - Nicklaus, Florida, USA ASGCA
Paul Cowley - Linksland inc, GA, USA, ASGCA
Neil Crafter - Golf Strategies, Australia.
Brian Curley - Schmidt-Curley Golf Design, USA, ASGCA
Tripp Davis -  Tripp Davis and Associates, Oklahoma, USA, ASGCA
Jonathan Davison, Ford Golf Design, Poland, Slovakia & Czech Repubic.
Mike DeVries - himself, USA?
Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design,Micigan  USA
David Druzisky - Idaho, USA, ASGCA
Todd Eckenrode - Origins, California, USA, ASGCA
Jim Engh - enghgolf, Colorado, USA, ASGCA
Ryan Farrow - Schmidt-Curley Golf Design?
Mark Fine - Fine Golf Design, PA, USA
Ron Forse - Forse Design, PA, USA
Lester George -George Golf Design,Virginia, USA, ASGCA
David Grant - Grant Golf, Canada
Tim Gerrish
Kye Goalby - Goalby Golf Design, MO, USA
David Grant
Gil Hanse - Hanse Golf Course Design, PA, USA, ASGCA
Robin Hiseman - European Golf Design, London, UK
Ken Kearney
Tyler Kearns - Grant Golf, Canada
Dick Kirkpatrick
Harley Kruse - Harrision Kruse, ?
Jerry Lemons -Golf Links, Tenn, USA, ASGCA
Tim Liddy - Tim Liddy Associates, Indiana, USA, ASGCA
Jim Lipe - Jack Nicklaus, Florida, USA ,ASGCA
Scott Macpherson - Turner Macpherson Golf Design, Scotland & New Zealand.
Jeff Mingay - Mingay Golf Course Design, Canada
Brett Mogg - Nelson Haworth,
Jim Nagle
Tim Nugent - Nugent Golf Inc., Chicago, USA, ASGCA
Mike Nuzzo - Nuzzo Course Design, TX, USA
Rick Phelps -  Phelps- Atkinson Golf Design. Colorado, USA, ASGCA
Brian Phillips - Niblick Golf Design
Yannick Pilon - Yannick Pilon Golf, QC, Canada
Frank Pont - Infinite Variety Golf Design, Netherlands.
Forrest Richardson - Forrest Richardson & Associates, AZ, USA
Tony Ristola - himself
Pat Ruddy
Ben Stephens
Adrian Stiff
Archie Struthers
Randy Thompson - South America
Jim Urbina - himself and Renaissance Golf
Scott Witter
Mike Young - Mike Young Design, GA, USA

I think it is important to to see what can be learned from the list.
#1. Kelly Blake Moran slowly disappeared from the list
#2. If your thinking of becoming an architect in the near future, probably be better not to open your office in Pennslyvania...lots of compition there!
#3. The winner of the best named company goes to Mark Fine of FINE GOLF DESIGN!

michael damico

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2011, 09:41:07 AM »
Serious question:  how many guys on this list are fluent in Chinese or at least decent at it or taking classes.

The first really competent Chinese architect may present a significant competitive hurdle in the biggest market the industry has right now...


wouldn't the initial fee to submit your plans be a hurdle as well? The way I understand it is that there have been several archies who were 'grandfathered' into bypassing the initial fees. Please correct me if I am wrong...
"without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible"
                                                                -fz

Jeff_Brauer

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« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2011, 09:46:32 AM »
Shiv,

I bought Chinese for Dummies.....

So far, I know the phrases for Hello, Thank you, and "White Trash."
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Tim Nugent

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« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2011, 09:55:03 AM »
Tom/Paul, good catch, my apologies to my friends Ian and Forrest.(Tom, sorry about Micigan :-[) My eyes were beginning to glaze over.  It would be interesting if someone could fill in the countries for those without one listed.  Knowing where someone hails from gives an insight to their comments.
Coasting is a downhill process

Mark Pearce

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« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2011, 10:14:53 AM »
Is Pat Ruddy still on?
Only if Scott Warren goes back to the European Club.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Neal_Meagher

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« Reply #88 on: May 03, 2011, 01:06:31 PM »
Although I haven't posted much lately (cause I have actually been kind of busy doing actual golf design for a change) I have posted on here periodically since 2001.

I am an ASGCA Associate, worked for Robert Muir Graves/Pascuzzo for over a decade, have been doing my own thing since 2000, confer with a certain Armenian scribe named Gib Papazian and John Sheehan on occasion for strategic input and have had the privilege of getting to know many, many of those on this site over the years.

The purpose of art is to delight us; certain men and women (no smarter than you or I) whose art can delight us have been given dispensation from going out and fetching water and carrying wood. It's no more elaborate than that. - David Mamet

www.nealmeaghergolf.com

Scott Macpherson

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #89 on: May 03, 2011, 01:58:20 PM »
Welcome to 'The List' Neal. Got a Company Name? Where are you based?



Ian Andrew - Ian Andrew Golf Design Inc, Canada. ASGCA
Kevin Atkinson - Phelps- Atkinson Golf Design. Colorado, USA, ASGCA
Jay Blasi - Robert Trent Jones II Golf Course Architects,ASGCA
Kurt Bowman
Jeff Brauer - Jeff Brauer, Golfscapes, TX, USA. ASGCA
Mark Brown (RIP)
Richard Chamberlain - Richard Chamberlain Golf Design
Mike Clayton - Ogilvy Clayton Golf Design, Australia.
Chris Cochran - Nicklaus, Florida, USA ASGCA
Paul Cowley - Linksland inc, GA, USA, ASGCA
Neil Crafter - Golf Strategies, Australia. SAGCA
Brian Curley - Schmidt-Curley Golf Design, USA, ASGCA
Tripp Davis -  Tripp Davis and Associates, Oklahoma, USA, ASGCA
Jonathan Davison, Ford Golf Design, Poland, Slovakia & Czech Repubic.
Mike DeVries - himself, USA?
Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design,Micigan  USA
David Druzisky - Idaho, USA, ASGCA
Todd Eckenrode - Origins, California, USA, ASGCA
Jim Engh - enghgolf, Colorado, USA, ASGCA
Ryan Farrow - Schmidt-Curley Golf Design?
Mark Fine - Fine Golf Design, PA, USA
Ron Forse - Forse Design, PA, USA
Lester George -George Golf Design,Virginia, USA, ASGCA
Tim Gerrish -
Kye Goalby - Goalby Golf Design, MO, USA
David Grant - Grant Golf, Canada
Gil Hanse - Hanse Golf Course Design, PA, USA, ASGCA
Robin Hiseman - European Golf Design, London, UK
Ken Kearney -
Tyler Kearns - Grant Golf, Canada
Trey Kemp - Colligan Golf Design, Arlington, Texas, USA
Dick Kirkpatrick - Kirkpatrick Golf Inc. Ontario, Canada
Harley Kruse - Harrision Kruse, ?
Jerry Lemons -Golf Links, Tenn, USA, ASGCA
Tom Lehman - ?
Tim Liddy - Tim Liddy Associates, Indiana, USA, ASGCA
Jim Lipe - Jack Nicklaus, Florida, USA ,ASGCA
Scott Macpherson - Turner Macpherson Golf Design, Scotland & New Zealand.
Neal Meagher - himself, ASGCA Associate.
Jeff Mingay - Mingay Golf Course Design, Canada
Brett Mogg - Nelson Haworth,
Jim Nagle
Tim Nugent - Nugent Golf Inc., Chicago, USA, ASGCA
Mike Nuzzo - Nuzzo Course Design, TX, USA
Rick Phelps -  Phelps- Atkinson Golf Design. Colorado, USA, ASGCA
Brian Phillips - Niblick Golf Design
Yannick Pilon - Yannick Pilon Golf, QC, Canada
Frank Pont - Infinite Variety Golf Design, Netherlands.
Forrest Richardson - Forrest Richardson & Associates, AZ, USA, ASGCA
Tony Ristola - himself
Pat Ruddy -
Ben Stephens -
Adrian Stiff -
Archie Struthers -
Randy Thompson - South America
Jim Urbina - himself and Renaissance Golf
Scott Witter -
Mike Young - Mike Young Design, GA, USA

Neal_Meagher

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #90 on: May 03, 2011, 02:52:25 PM »
Scott,

I am in northern California near San Francisco and am a lone wolf.......No company name other than Neal Meagher Golf Design.
The purpose of art is to delight us; certain men and women (no smarter than you or I) whose art can delight us have been given dispensation from going out and fetching water and carrying wood. It's no more elaborate than that. - David Mamet

www.nealmeaghergolf.com

Tony_Muldoon

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« Reply #91 on: May 03, 2011, 03:18:06 PM »
RT was Russell Talley (SP)  a Sooner expat working for Hawtree UK.  I’ve seen a few posts under that signature recently.

A full time Swiss resident on the site is John Chilver Stainer

Philip Spogard has now set up his own practice in, I believe, Denmark.

Didn’t we have Donald Steel for about 24 hrs?

Also didn't Geoff Shackleford post at one time?

Let the matchplay begin!

The first three are all real architects and post on here. Honest!
Let's make GCA grate again!

Garland Bayley

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« Reply #92 on: May 03, 2011, 03:41:14 PM »
RT was Russell Talley (SP)  a Sooner expat working for Hawtree UK.  I’ve seen a few posts under that signature recently.

A full time Swiss resident on the site is John Chilver Stainer

Philip Spogard has now set up his own practice in, I believe, Denmark.

Didn’t we have Donald Steel for about 24 hrs?

Also didn't Geoff Shackleford post at one time?

Let the matchplay begin!

The first three are all real architects and post on here. Honest!

Nuzzo and Nugent should be pushing for Sporgard to be on the list as he was their partner in crime in judging the last armchair contest that Charlie ran.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Mike_Clayton

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« Reply #93 on: May 03, 2011, 06:12:21 PM »
Mike Cocking posts here  -and works with Ogilvy Clayton.

Scott Mac.
I spoke to Huggan last night and he said that instead of playing The Players Championship next week Lee Westwood is opening Close House. Good to see he has his priorities right!!
I look forward to seeing the course the week we play up the road - against my better judgement!
I am especially looking forward to see what you did with seven - I think that could be a fantastic hole.

Tony_Muldoon

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« Reply #94 on: May 04, 2011, 02:05:41 AM »
James Edwards is another UK based architect.  I think he said he is now on his own but he was with Howard Swann.
Let's make GCA grate again!

Scott Macpherson

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #95 on: May 04, 2011, 07:23:14 AM »
Sorry Clayts, Mike Cocking posted earlier, and I thought I'd put him in. (re CH, we are looking forward to Westwood coming. The 7th looks great - better now we have your bunker in there. And if I can steer him around it, the course record might be in Jeopardy!!! )



Ian Andrew - Ian Andrew Golf Design Inc, Canada. ASGCA
Kevin Atkinson - Phelps- Atkinson Golf Design. Colorado, USA, ASGCA
Jay Blasi - Robert Trent Jones II Golf Course Architects,ASGCA
Kurt Bowman
Jeff Brauer - Jeff Brauer, Golfscapes, TX, USA. ASGCA
Mark Brown (RIP)
Richard Chamberlain - Richard Chamberlain Golf Design
Mike Clayton - Ogilvy Clayton Golf Design, Australia.
Mike Cocking - Ogilvy Clayton Golf Design, Australia.
Chris Cochran - Nicklaus, Florida, USA ASGCA
Paul Cowley - Linksland inc, GA, USA, ASGCA
Neil Crafter - Golf Strategies, Australia. SAGCA
Brian Curley - Schmidt-Curley Golf Design, USA, ASGCA
Tripp Davis -  Tripp Davis and Associates, Oklahoma, USA, ASGCA
Jonathan Davison, Ford Golf Design, Poland, Slovakia & Czech Repubic.
Mike DeVries - himself, USA?
Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design,Micigan  USA
David Druzisky - Idaho, USA, ASGCA
Todd Eckenrode - Origins, California, USA, ASGCA
James Edwards - UK?
Jim Engh - enghgolf, Colorado, USA, ASGCA
Ryan Farrow - Schmidt-Curley Golf Design?
Mark Fine - Fine Golf Design, PA, USA
Ron Forse - Forse Design, PA, USA
Lester George -George Golf Design,Virginia, USA, ASGCA
Tim Gerrish -
Kye Goalby - Goalby Golf Design, MO, USA
David Grant - Grant Golf, Canada
Gil Hanse - Hanse Golf Course Design, PA, USA, ASGCA
Robin Hiseman - European Golf Design, London, UK
Ken Kearney -
Tyler Kearns - Grant Golf, Canada
Trey Kemp - Colligan Golf Design, Arlington, Texas, USA
Dick Kirkpatrick - Kirkpatrick Golf Inc. Ontario, Canada
Harley Kruse - Harrision Kruse, ?
Jerry Lemons -Golf Links, Tenn, USA, ASGCA
Tom Lehman - ?
Tim Liddy - Tim Liddy Associates, Indiana, USA, ASGCA
Jim Lipe - Jack Nicklaus, Florida, USA ,ASGCA
Scott Macpherson - Turner Macpherson Golf Design, New Zealand & Scotland.
Neal Meagher - Neal Meagher Golf Design, CA, USA, ASGCA Associate.
Jeff Mingay - Mingay Golf Course Design, Canada
Brett Mogg - Nelson Haworth,
Jim Nagle
Tim Nugent - Nugent Golf Inc., Chicago, USA, ASGCA
Mike Nuzzo - Nuzzo Course Design, TX, USA
Rick Phelps -  Phelps- Atkinson Golf Design. Colorado, USA, ASGCA
Brian Phillips - Niblick Golf Design
Yannick Pilon - Yannick Pilon Golf, QC, Canada
Frank Pont - Infinite Variety Golf Design, Netherlands.
Forrest Richardson - Forrest Richardson & Associates, AZ, USA, ASGCA
Tony Ristola - himself
Pat Ruddy -
Ben Stephens -
Adrian Stiff -
Archie Struthers -
Randy Thompson - South America
Jim Urbina - himself and Renaissance Golf
Scott Witter -
Mike Young - Mike Young Design, GA, USA

Noel Freeman

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Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #96 on: May 05, 2011, 08:57:29 AM »


RT was Russell Talley (SP)  a Sooner expat working for Hawtree UK.  I’ve seen a few posts under that signature recently.

A full time Swiss resident on the site is John Chilver Stainer

Philip Spogard has now set up his own practice in, I believe, Denmark.

Didn’t we have Donald Steel for about 24 hrs?

Also didn't Geoff Shackleford post at one time?

Let the matchplay begin!


Those RT posts, ARE NOT RUSSELL TALLEY.. RUSSELL IS NO LONGER ON GCA.. but doing well..


John Kavanaugh

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« Reply #97 on: May 05, 2011, 09:10:15 AM »
According to Jay Flemma, George Bahto is an architect.  I've never met George but I get the impression he deserves more respect than this board gives him considering with the exception of Melvyn we love old men.

http://www.golfobserver.com/blog/blognews/Jaystakeongolf/2009/11/20/georgebahto

I don't know how anyone can question if Ron Whitten is an architect given his pedigree in design.  Lord knows when you go hating on Erin Hills you call him an architect.

I can accept that Brad Klein was paid as a historian for his work at Old Macdonald.  I would prefer to call him an architect. Whatever it was called it was a wise investment.


Scott Macpherson

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« Reply #98 on: May 05, 2011, 10:05:43 AM »
John,

My hope was that this list would be a simple list of the Golf Course Architects on GC Atlas. We have never defined what an architect is, but my definition would be that an Architect has the technical skills to design a golf course by themselves – as against a 'Golf course Designer' who doesn't. To put this another way, a GCD needs a GCA but a GCA doesn't need a GCD to design a GC.

This is a bit of a grey area because some GCA's prefer being called GCD's. That's fine. However, some GCD, like being called GCA's, that's probably not as suitable as a GCA is a GCD, but GCD's are not GCA's (in my opinion).

Golf course historians, agronomists, journalists etc should not be in the list unless they happen also to be GCA's

Based on the above, I question whether the very nice man who is Tom Lehman should be in the list. You could maybe find others you might query?

As an aside, I know some GCA's are uncomfortable with the term 'Architect' when it is applied to GCD because they don't believe they are true architects  – like building architects are. It's hard not to disagree some days (even if you trained as a Landscape Architect). That's why they prefer to called themselves GCD's. I came up with a new term to solve this quandary- Golf Course "Artitecture" , a combination of 'Art and 'Architecture'. I think it suits, but not sure it will catch on.

Barman, another beer please....



Art_Schaupeter

Re: The Architects on GCA are....
« Reply #99 on: May 05, 2011, 02:18:33 PM »
I am a periodic lurker, infrequent poster and still a practicing golf course architect...though it seems barely at times.  Based on that I guess I'd qualify for the list, Art Schaupeter, Arthur Schaupeter Golf Course Architects, MO, USA, ASGCA. 

This is a much longer list than I would've guessed if I had thought about it off the top of my head.  It looks to represent a pretty good cross-section of the design profession, especially based on the overall size of the profession.

As someone else mentioned, Kelly Blake Moran was dropped off the list, obviously he should be on it.