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Scott Szabo

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2011, 09:36:20 PM »
Tim Martin, apologies.  I did misread your post. 

Scott
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Mike Sweeney

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2011, 07:42:31 AM »
Hit and Run,

Please list three things you did to benefit society when you were 19?

So, you are asking me to name three things I did that benefited society while building my brand?  I agree with the premise that age is a factor which is the true genius behind this scheme. Three of the things that I did at 19 that benefited society while building for my future were:

1.  I enrolled in engineering school.
2.  I committed to a monogamous relationship with the mother of my children.
3.  I quit smoking dope.

I can assure you that these actions have touched more people in a positive way than a celebrity throwing money at an impossible situation. As I have said above, this golfer will make back his donation back in endorsements before the end of the month.  He is paying a very small price to become an international darling. Look at the publicity he bought for his brand for less than the cost of a 30 second Super Bowl commercial. A genius move much like the choices I made at his age.

I won't say anything about your wife as she must me a saint, but you are comparing the fact that daddy threatened to cut you off so you cleaned up your act and enrolled in school (who wrote that tuition check??) to a kid who is writing a check for potentially several million dollars.

"throwing money at an impossible situation."

What should they do instead John?

John Kavanaugh

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2011, 08:26:25 AM »
Mike,

My only objection is holding a press conference notifyiing the world of his potential gift. I'm sick of our society making heroes of rich people who give away less than they gain from tax write offs and brand building.  I guess your Madison Avenue mindset of always cashing in for every good deed is what has jaded your view on this subject.  Celebrate the gift not the giver.

Dan Herrmann

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2011, 09:20:03 AM »
John,
Perhaps.  But maybe, just maybe, he was telling people what he was doing to provide an example for others to follow.

I know where you're coming from - I really do.  I just hope this was an act done without some back office branding people making all the calls.

I'm sold, though.  Rho's a hero in my book (As is Ichiro from the Mariners)

Jim_Kennedy

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2011, 05:41:07 PM »
Jaka,
Large donations like Ishikawa made should be publicized, it is as Dan just said, they encourage others to follow suit and I've seen that happen during the years we raised funds for my kid's schools.

In the end motivations don't really matter, but the million(s) will. I don't think he's a hero as nothing he has done fits the definition, but it is very good deed.



"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Mike Sweeney

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2011, 08:45:32 PM »
  I guess your Madison Avenue mindset of always cashing in for every good deed is what has jaded your view on this subject.  Celebrate the gift not the giver.


John

As Dan and Jim stated, and as someone who does fundraising, you always want catalyst when you are fund raising. Ishikawa is doing just that.

John Kavanaugh

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2011, 09:20:12 PM »
Jim and Mike,

I agree with what you both have said about the value of the celebrity catalyst.  This is all great. It is just the shot in the arm that golf needs.  I don't know what is wrong with me.

Jim_Kennedy

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2011, 09:47:58 PM »
Jaka,
This has nothing to do with a shot in the arm for golf.
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with you, there are sleazebags who give to get noticed, save on taxes, and/or build their brand, but there just isn't the evidence to accuse Ishikawa of such behavior. I tend to believe his motivation is for his nation, think of what it means to be Japanese, even 2 1/2 generations later, and once again be showered with nuclear radiation.

If you ran that stupidity past some little Japanese kid who is the beneficiary of Ishikawa's (and many others) largessse he'd look at you in disbelief.

"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Mark Chaplin

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2011, 09:54:50 PM »
It's a good job JK wasn't the British Prime Minister in 1939 or he'd have seen an impossible situation and rolled over and played tickle tummy with the devil.

Individual acts can and do assist in grave situations, what this young man is doing has also given lots of publicity into an area of society (golfers) who tend to be on the wealthier side and he may generate many times what he is likely to donate through public donatations.
Cave Nil Vino

Jim_Kennedy

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2011, 10:18:24 PM »
Hopefully there is no such thing as the China Syndrome or the next guy to step up will most likely be Pele.   :o
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

John Kavanaugh

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2011, 10:21:30 PM »
Mark,

After winning the 1939 British Open Dick Burton joined the RAF instead of touring the world playing exhibition matches and sending his winnings back home.  He was 22 at the time.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2011, 10:27:01 PM by John Kavanaugh »

Jim_Kennedy

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2011, 12:54:37 AM »
Ishikawa to give 2011 earnings to Japan victims

By DOUG FERGUSON
AP Golf Writer
 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) -- Ryo Ishikawa first made people take notice because of his golf. He won his first Japan Golf Tour event as a 15-year-old amateur, won the money title at 17 and last year became the first player to shoot 58 on a major tour.

His latest eye-opening feat brought attention to his heart.

Wanting to do his part to help victims of the earthquake and tsunami that devastated his native Japan, Ishikawa decided to donate his entire tournament earnings this year - plus a bonus for every birdie he makes - toward relief efforts.

"I don't view this as pressure to perform, but it will instead be extra motivation for me," Ishikawa said Friday in an email to The Associated Press. "I always believe in myself, but because I am playing for the people of Japan, I feel like I will be playing with a greater purpose this year."

Ishikawa, who at 19 already has nine wins on the Japan Golf Tour, was third on Japan's money list last year with just over $1.82 million.

He also has pledged about $1,200 (100,000 yen) for every birdie. He led the Japanese tour last year with 341 birdies, which would amount to over $400,000.

Even in a sport driven by charity, Ishikawa's generosity caught the attention of his colleagues.

"It's the most unbelievable gesture ever, isn't it?" Geoff Ogilvy said Friday. "I saw it fly past last night on Twitter and I thought, 'Ah, that's nice.' About five minutes later I said, 'Hang on a minute. All his prize money?' Which is ridiculous for anybody, but for someone who's 19 to have that level of thought for others ... it's amazing."

Ishikawa was playing the Cadillac Championship at Doral on March 11 when he awoke to news of the earthquake and tsunami, and saw horrific images of the destruction. He finished off a 65 in the first round, then struggled the rest of the week.

He missed the cut at the Transitions Championship and Arnold Palmer Invitational, then headed to Augusta, Ga., this week to meet up with his family and get ready for the Masters. Ishikawa is from Saitama, about 300 miles away from the area hardest hit by the tsunami.

Ishikawa said he has spent most of his money on making life easier for himself, from building a short-game practice facility near his house to buying fitness equipment.

"I feel fortunate to be in a position to afford such things, but I know that my success is a result of the support of so many people," he said in the email. "While golf is my profession, and I want to have a long and successful career, there are things that are more important. And the people of Japan are dealing with life and death issues as a result of the earthquake and tsunami.

"I feel it is my turn to give back in whatever way I can to support the people who have been so supportive of me."

Known earlier in his career as "Bashful Prince," Ishikawa has become the face of golf in Japan. He played 34 times last year, including one stretch of 20 tournaments in 22 weeks, because the tour and sponsors lean so heavily on him.

Ogilvy is among those who understand the level of attention Ishikawa generates in Japan. He was playing the Taheiyo Masters toward the end of 2007 when he saw a horde of photographers rushing across the practice green, cameras over their heads to snap pictures. Ogilvy asked who they were following and was told, "This is the kid who's going to save the Japanese Tour."

"He's probably close to being the most famous sportsman in Japan," Ogilvy said. "He's the Tiger Woods of Japan. And a lot of people will see what he's done. It's another sign of how grown up he is."

Ishikawa played for the International team in the Presidents Cup two years ago in San Francisco. He went 3-2, with the two losses coming against the undefeated tandem of Woods and Steve Stricker.

"I spent a week with him at the Presidents Cup," Ogilvy said. "You don't learn a person in a week. But it doesn't surprise me. You spend time with him and realize that he's a good guy. This isn't a PR thing. He must feel very strongly about his country."

Word of his gesture began to filter through the golf industry Thursday night and Friday.

"Ryo's unselfish pledge to donate all his worldwide prize money this year ... is an indication of the maturity this 19-year-old has demonstrated on and off the golf course since he burst onto the international golf stage," PGA Tour commissioner Tim Finchem said.

"That's unbelievable. I haven't heard of anybody doing that," Stricker said from the Houston Open. "It's a great testament to what kind of kid he is. It obviously touches him pretty deeply."

"It warmed my heart that he is the type of character we thought he was, and he continues to display it," said Gerald Goodman, who offered Ishikawa his first PGA Tour exemption two years ago at the Transitions Championship. "Athletes from Japan are rallying to help their country. But to give it all? That's something."

The hardest part for Ishikawa was being patient in deciding what he should do. Jumbo Ozaki, who is to be inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame in May, suggested that Japanese players donate 20 percent of their earnings.

Ishikawa decided to go even further.

"I wanted to help right away, but I discussed with my staff and family over the past three weeks and came up with the idea," Ishikawa said. "A number of other Japanese athletes announced their support right away, and I felt a bit of pressure of jump in quickly. But I wanted to take the time to figure out how I could help best.

"I believed right away that it was the right thing to do and am very motivated to not only raise money for the people of Japan, but hopefully also encourage them as the country recovers."
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p.s. I made the font slightly larger so the myopics can read it.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Bill_McBride

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2011, 10:09:10 AM »
Sometimes "myopic" has nothing to do with visual acuity.

Jim_Kennedy

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2011, 10:49:14 AM »
Bill,
 ;)
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Rick Shefchik

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2011, 12:34:48 PM »
I agree with the idea that anonymous charity is preferable to the kind that is announced at a press conference. But once Ishikawa's fellow Japanese athletes starting contributing, what was he supposed to do, deny his donation?
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

John Kavanaugh

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2011, 12:49:09 PM »
I agree with the idea that anonymous charity is preferable to the kind that is announced at a press conference. But once Ishikawa's fellow Japanese athletes starting contributing, what was he supposed to do, deny his donation?

Judging by his own words he took three weeks working out the best plan for him based on advice from staff and family.  If he had just gone along with the standard 20% gift as recommended by Jumbo his charity would have been lost in the mix of the disaster.  I can't wait to see how this plays out this week during the Masters coverage.  There is a good chance that no one in the golfing media will capitalize on this story for some easy press and I will be proven wrong.

Jim_Kennedy

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2011, 01:16:35 PM »
You're already wrong, don't wait for confirmation. 
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Carl Nichols

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2011, 01:38:47 PM »
I don't disagree entirely with JK.  But there are lots of reasons that people announce charitable contributions beyond just trying to get the good press -- including trying to induce other similar contributions.  Indeed, he could've devoted substantially less than all of his earnings and still gotten a lot of good press.  And who knows, maybe he was meeting with his family and staff to make sure that giving up $2MM was something he could reasonably do. 

Rick Shefchik

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2011, 01:47:26 PM »
I agree with the idea that anonymous charity is preferable to the kind that is announced at a press conference. But once Ishikawa's fellow Japanese athletes starting contributing, what was he supposed to do, deny his donation?

Judging by his own words he took three weeks working out the best plan for him based on advice from staff and family.  If he had just gone along with the standard 20% gift as recommended by Jumbo his charity would have been lost in the mix of the disaster.  I can't wait to see how this plays out this week during the Masters coverage.  There is a good chance that no one in the golfing media will capitalize on this story for some easy press and I will be proven wrong.

John, I can't believe you're really suggesting it would have been more admirable for Ishikawa to donate 20 percent of his earnings instead of all of his earnings. Who does that help?
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Mike Nuzzo

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2011, 01:54:23 PM »
That runs contrary to what many of us were taught our entire lives - that the highest form of charity or giving is anonymous. 

Shivas
Would you tell your family?
What is wrong with sharing?
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John Kavanaugh

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2011, 02:40:00 PM »
First and most importantly I do not fault this child for making his donation.  Just a couple of points as the week plays out.

The timing of waiting 3 weeks is interesting given how this comes to a head during Masters week.  If a family in one of our local communities lose their house it does not take three weeks to know what you can afford to give.  As each day passes and you are the one lone person who has not offered help you soon are in an awkward situation.  Cleaning out your closet or giving food and shelter that night is not equal to offering the same three weeks later.  Your only hope, if your interest is self serving, is to wait to see who else has given in the past three weeks and give more than them.  That is not charity, it is win/win with a spoonful of shame.

Now if you wait to give your gift an hour before Easter mass, which is the only time many Christians bother to show all year, so you get a big crowd to love you, you are a profiteer in grace.  Charity needs profiteers in grace to make ends meet.  Good for you.

Charity is also a very fragile thing.  If for instance you have 20 families giving 10% of their earnings week in and week out and a profiteer in grace shows up and gives 5 times as much you may lose money in the long run.  This is what concerns me about a structured plan of all athletes giving 20% of their prize money and then a PIG shows up and eats up all the glory.  The possibility exists that future staff and family of other athletes will decline giving 20% because now they look cheap and can not afford 100%.  This golfing child is one of those athletes whose endorsements far outweigh his prize money.  If he had given away all his endorsement money, wow, that would have been unprecedented. 

I do love Masters week and hope I am wrong.


George Pazin

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2011, 02:53:36 PM »
John, there's simply no way to know the answers to many of your questions without being a mind reader, so it's up to each person to decide for himself.

One minor thing: he may have decided to do it earlier than 3 weeks after, that's just when it was announced (at least as far as I've read).

It's pretty easy to be a cynic in today's world, but I'd prefer to be more optimistic in this instance.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

John Kavanaugh

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2011, 03:23:44 PM »

One minor thing: he may have decided to do it earlier than 3 weeks after, that's just when it was announced (at least as far as I've read).


It is hardly a minor issue if this was delayed to come out for Masters week.  Even when God works in mysterious ways your agent still gets 10%.

Jim_Kennedy

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2011, 04:38:14 PM »
"....in Japan, Jumbo (Ozaki) is huge. He is the rising sun on the white flag. His feet leave permanent footprints. His muttered jokes bring smiles to spectators 400 yards away, as if transmitted over the gallery ropes.
He is ichiban (No. 1) in Japan."


It is equally possible that Ishikawa took time with his decision because he did not wish to offend or upstage Ozaki's pronouncement that Japanese athletes should give 20% of their earnings.

....and Ishikawa's peers, like Ogilvy, do not think it's about PR. 

Kelly,
Shivas is wrong. If you were to believe what he said, that "No man takes any action that he doesn't believe to be in his own best interest" then no one performs any type of charitable act without an expectation of renumeration. Not everyone is an egoist.
 
If what he said was true an atheist would never give a dime to anyone, anonymously or otherwise. 
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Jim_Kennedy

Re: Ishikawa to donate all 2011 earnings
« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2011, 05:10:19 PM »
KBM,
Yes, but 'Ol Matthew also said "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."

The circumstances in Japan are dire, and this young man is front and center in his countrymen's eyes. His 'good deed' can be seen as a 'light' that 'shine(s) before men' or as the work of a hypocrite. The cynics see the latter.

That's about all the religiosity I can handle for one day.  ;D

 
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

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